The Little Mermaid III Discussion

[Disney Villain]

Wow, simply amazing! Thank you so much pick, for that fantastic find. I’m amazed, the trailer looked wonderful. The animation looked good and the characters looked on model. I have a feeling this is going to be as wonderful as Cinderella III: A Twist In Time. I only wish the trailer was longer. I would have loved to see Marina Del Ray. I hope that Ursula will be in the film; she’s such a popular character, especially in the parks. This story looks very interesting; I’m excited to see it unfold. I am very, very excited for this- it looks absolutely wonderful.

Old Fish Tale, thank you so much for finding the official site!

[pick]

I'm so glad you all loved it!

[Disney Duster]

...since Triton has a white beard when his daughters all are in front of his throne, and later we see a shot of him with a brown beard...so the girls would either be not born or younger than they were in the rest of the trailer...

I'm pretty sure it's meant to be a red beard, I know it looks brown but they could have been going for red. In the series, when he was younger, he had red hair (that's how Ariel inherited it), though it seems this sequel wants to ignore the series in many ways.

WHAT is everyone talking about? WHY does this look wonderful? It looks TERRIBLE! The animation is HORRIBLE! NO ONE looks on-model, ever, except maybe Sebastian, and maybe Flounder. But the most APALLING thing of all is how Ariel looks, especially when she's at the secret music club! Just look at the screencaps Aladdin from Agrabah posted (thank you, by the way).

NOT a single thing is evidence that this will better than Cinderella III: A Twist in Time. The animation is far worse, and the story is still mediocre. The ONLY thing that suggest it could be good is the mystery hinted at, and getting to see everyone younger. But this trailer doesn't reveal anything exciting about the actul plot.

FACE IT: Everyone who's excited for this is just excited because you love Ariel or the other characters from The Little Mermaid so much!

[Vermin Friends]

Well, in those particular scenes, she may look a little off-model, but maybe we're just not used to seeing her so young? She's supposed to be at least slightly younger, so around Melody's age. I'd say she looks like her a little.

Maybe those are just the worst scenes, and you just targeted them out? A lot of the other scenes are beautiful in my eye. I don't think it's fair to judge the entire film through that 50 second compilation of clips. The movie may suck, and you could be completely right, but I'm completely happy with the way it is.

[singerguy04]

I think it's funny that anyone can say that Ariel's off-model in this trailer when even her creators admits that she goes off model many times in the original film. It's also hard to judge the model, when she's not supposed to be the same model as anything we've seen before.

Personally, this trailer doesn't do a whole lot for me. I want a trailer thats actually going to make a specific statement about the story line. This says nothing at all. It's just random footage that basically states that this is a prequel.

I'll get more excited for a longer trailer.

[supertalies]

Well, in those particular scenes, she may look a little off-model, but maybe we're just not used to seeing her so young? She's supposed to be at least slightly younger, so around Melody's age. I'd say she looks like her a little.

Maybe those are just the worst scenes, and you just targeted them out? A lot of the other scenes are beautiful in my eye. I don't think it's fair to judge the entire film through that 50 second compilation of clips. The movie may suck, and you could be completely right, but I'm completely happy with the way it is!

I also think that way, but I must admit I don't think it will be better than Cinderella III: A Twist in Time wich I also love.
This will be also very good I think, It looks better than TLM II!
And I'd love to see Ariel's mother (even for 20 seconds )

FACE IT: Everyone who's excited for this is just excited because you love Ariel or the other characters from The Little Mermaid so much!

True, but I also loved CIII ,not only because of the animation and story, but also because of the characters! And I think you also did!

[Ariel'sprince]

I disagree,Disney Duster,the animation is wonderfull and is good as Cinderella III and Ariel is much on model then in both the series and The Little Mermaid II and Sebastian actually more looks like how he looked in The Little Mermaid II (look for example when Ariel is near the gate) also she does a little reminds of Melody and i think they wanted to make her look like that since it's a prequel.
And i know that Cinderella is your favorite Princess but i thought that you like Ariel,too.

[Atlantica]

The trailer is so wonderful ! I agree with all teh enthusiam on the board for it! I'm so happy happy happy !

The trailer itself is very cool for a Disney movie; almost on line with the Platinums, if you look at how it opens.

Does anyone have a down-loadable version of the trailer?! As I'm not sure how to do it !

[Disney Duster]

I forgot to thank pick. Tremendous and important find, bravo!

Well, in those particular scenes, she may look a little off-model, but maybe we're just not used to seeing her so young? She's supposed to be at least slightly younger, so around Melody's age. I'd say she looks like her a little.

Maybe those are just the worst scenes, and you just targeted them out? A lot of the other scenes are beautiful in my eye. I don't think it's fair to judge the entire film through that 50 second compilation of clips. The movie may suck, and you could be completely right, but I'm completely happy with the way it is.

In MOST of the scenes she looks off-model. The ones I thnk look OKAY are when she's farther away and smaller and thus it's harder to see how she looks, or when her head is back to us. But even if she's not off-model, it almost all looks cheap and bad. I WILL give you that because she's younger, she could look different but she still looks bad, poorly designed and poorly moved, and since Melody was in a crappily animated sequel, looking like her isn't a good excuse either!

As for judging the film in a 50 second compilation of clips, you're right, I can't judge the whole film from 50 second clips, but you did the same as me, just in a positive way, not a negative one. Anyway, I was specifically talking about the trailer, not the movie as a whole, and how it doesn't give any hint that the movie is going to be good, but I admit it still could be.

I think it's funny that anyone can say that Ariel's off-model in this trailer when even her creators admits that she goes off model many times in the original film. It's also hard to judge the model, when she's not supposed to be the same model as anything we've seen before.

Personally, this trailer doesn't do a whole lot for me. I want a trailer thats actually going to make a specific statement about the story line. This says nothing at all. It's just random footage that basically states that this is a prequel.

I'll get more excited for a longer trailer.

Well, the thing is the Ariel in the trailer doesn't look enough like any of Ariel in the original film, unless it's like for a frame or two before she moves into something totally different looking. But I do admit, as a younger Ariel maybe they created a different model. Still, it's a bad model. Also, I'm so glad you agree that there's not much to get excited about when they don't tell you anything about the plot. Or at least, nothing more than we already knew, which was still nothing to get excited about.

FACE IT: Everyone who's excited for this is just excited because you love Ariel or the other characters from The Little Mermaid so much!

True, but I also loved CIII ,not only because of the animation and story, but also because of the characters! And I think you also did!

Well, the difference is that the trailer for Cinderella III had much more to offer. Better animation, more hints at the plot, and more than just everyone looking younger. That trailer was exciting because of the actions, this trailer is exciting (hardly) because of the younger designs! Anyway, it is true that I love Cinderella III a lot because I love the characters, but it actually had a good story that I thought was good from the very first we heard about it: the stepmother uses the fairy godmother's wand to turn back time. That is much better than Kig Triton banning music.

this film will be even better then Cinderella III .

Why do you think that? Just because you get to see everyone younger? I found no suggestions of that, and with the animation and story and whole trailer being less good than Cinderella III's, it actually suggests the opposite, that this movie will be not nearly as good as Cinderella III.

I disagree,Disney Duster,the animation is wonderfull and is good as Cinderella III and Ariel is much on model then in both the series and The Little Mermaid II and Sebastian actually more looks like how he looked in The Little Mermaid II (look for example when Ariel is near the gate) also she does a little reminds of Melody and i think they wanted to make her look like that since it's a prequel.
And i know that Cinderella is your favorite Princess but i thought that you like Ariel,too.

I agree Ariel looks better than The Little Mermaid II and Sebastian looks like he did in that same movie. But that is all. I do like Ariel, but not enough to love a movie just because she's in it and is younger.

In fact, if all of you love Ariel so much, don't you want her to look like she did in the original, like she should? Don't you want her to look good? I do!

The animation in the Sneak Peek was actually better than in the trailer, or at least Ariel looked more like herself, and looked better. Here's a comparison, with the sneak peek on the left and the trailer on the right:

Now, here's Ariel in the original movie. You tell me, which one does she look more like, the sneak peek or the trailer?

And yet, she still doesn't look as good as either of them! Here's another example of the horrible animation from the trailer on the let next to the original movie's animation. Just look at the trailer's Ariel's arms and head compared to the rest of her body!


In the trailer, Ariel may be younger and need a different model, but why isn't this model as good-looking as he younger Ariel in the Sneak Peek? See, that's why the trailer's Ariel is sill bad. She and everyone else is out of proportion and they move awkwardly and blobbily! Do you know aht proportions are? Do you see how out of proportion everyone is?

Also, someone at an animation forum, who has worked in animation, says that the lighting and shading are what can make the animation look beautiful to you. Are you going to let the colors, shades, and light fool you? Everything is poor in form.

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

You tell me, which one does she look more like, the sneak peek or the trailer?

Well, according to my comparison, she looks more like the trailer:


She looks perfectly on-model to me!
You see, it's just a matter of how you see things. Everyone has an opinion though, and my opinion is that the trailer's animation looks great, but I totally respect yours. This doesn't mean that I don't have enough evidence too to prove my statement.
Here's what I call bad animation and it's from the first film:

[pick]

Hey, Disney Duster, glad you liked it! Don't need to thank me at all!

[Disney Duster]

No, AladdinfromAgrabah, your comparisons don't prove your point. First of all, you didn't select images that look enough alike, like mine. Second, Ariel's face still looks different from the screencaps you provided. Everything's out of proportion. Ariel does have big eyes, but in the trailer they're too big in relation to everything else. The sizes are also wrong and shaped incorrectly for various other parts.

In the example of "bad animation" you gave from the movie, Ariel is making a different face than we usually see, it's kind of devious and mischevious, and her head is down. It's too hard to judge, that could just be how she looks when she's going to do something naughty or dangerous like jump over a cliff in a carriage. We don't see that face as often as her surprised or sad or happy faces because usually she's innocent and friendly. It's also a straight-on portrait, which we usually don't see because in movies characters don't usually look at the camera.

Did you even look at the last comparison I provided, how Ariel's head and arms are way out of proportion to the rest of her body?

Unfortunately we can't make an all out war where we look for images through the whole movie and whole trailer that look enough alike to compare. But since you draw Disney characters yourself and you love Ariel, I don't see how you can really think Ariel looks good enough.

Are you all trying not to be dissapointed with this because you are desperate for more Ariel? In the gate scene, it's true, Ariel moves and looks like Melody, but Melody was in a film you all thought was badly animated!

[The Little Merboy]

I am in total 100% agreement with Disney Duster. This "new" Ariel model is horrible and very cheaply drawn. I will not even associate this, or TLM2 with the original...

[Disney Duster]

I am in total 100% agreement with Disney Duster. This "new" Ariel model is horrible and very cheaply drawn. I will not even associate this, or TLM2 with the original...

OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I can't thank you enough for this, you're like the only person who agrees! I think you're the only person not deluded!

I would like to think this never happened. The nice thing about Cinderella III is it's an alternate reality that changes the ending so it's like it movie really never did happen. I love CIII, but it would be cool to pretend all the sequels are "what ifs"...and only that.

[wrestling_stat]

The animation in the Sneak Peek was actually better than in the trailer, or at least Ariel looked more like herself, and looked better. Here's a comparison, with the sneak peek on the left and the trailer on the right:

Now, here's Ariel in the original movie. You tell me, which one does she look more like, the sneak peek or the trailer?

And yet, she still doesn't look as good as either of them! Here's another example of the horrible animation from the trailer on the let next to the original movie's animation. Just look at the trailer's Ariel's arms and head compared to the rest of her body!


In the trailer, Ariel may be younger and need a different model, but why isn't this model as good-looking as he younger Ariel in the Sneak Peek? See, that's why the trailer's Ariel is sill bad. She and everyone else is out of proportion and they move awkwardly and blobbily! Do you know aht proportions are? Do you see how out of proportion everyone is?

Also, someone at an animation forum, who has worked in animation, says that the lighting and shading are what can make the animation look beautiful to you. Are you going to let the colors, shades, and light fool you? Everything is poor in form.

I think the sneak pick is a little more like the original Ariel. Who knows what she will look like when the movie will come out but the tralier version (the pictures above) I don't like at all.

Thank you very much, pick! Fantastic found!
And here are some pics from the trailer:

At certain times in the tralier she looks normal, like a younger version of Arial (one to four pictures) and others times it doesn't even look her (5th and 6th picture) while the last two are some where between. I admit that her arms don't always look porpotinal (spelling). But who knows what she will finally turn out to look like. As far as animation, I have never been good at telling good vs bad. Just my two cents, I hope that I made sense.

[Super Aurora]

I'm not even going to bother for the animation or what's not. I just hope the story is fucking good.


What's more important in content of Toon Disney's movies? Story or Animation?

I'll let you guys decide that.

[Ariel'sprince]

this film will be even better then Cinderella III .

Why do you think that? Just because you get to see everyone younger? I found no suggestions of that, and with the animation and story and whole trailer being less good than Cinderella III's, it actually suggests the opposite, that this movie will be not nearly as good as Cinderella III.

Yeah,and we'll also find out things like what happend to her mother .
Atl least it will be good as Cinderella III (and i loved Cinderella III a lot by the way).

I disagree,Disney Duster,the animation is wonderfull and is good as Cinderella III and Ariel is much on model then in both the series and The Little Mermaid II and Sebastian actually more looks like how he looked in The Little Mermaid II (look for example when Ariel is near the gate) also she does a little reminds of Melody and i think they wanted to make her look like that since it's a prequel.
And i know that Cinderella is your favorite Princess but i thought that you like Ariel,too.

I agree Ariel looks better than The Little Mermaid II and Sebastian looks like he did in that same movie. But that is all. I do like Ariel, but not enough to love a movie just because she's in it and is younger.

She looked HORRIBLE in The Little Mermaid II.
I see your point but i"m still exited .[/quote]

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

No, AladdinfromAgrabah, your comparisons don't prove your point. First of all, you didn't select images that look enough alike, like mine.

Well, Disney Duster, I have to say you shock me, because you normally are a reasonable person who likes to say what he thinks but also respects other people's opinions. As you said there's no reason to start a war for a f*****g trailer. But , my opinion still is that, YES, my comparisons DO prove my point and one must be completely and totally blind to not see that, not only the images are almost indentical, but also Ariel looks gorgeous in the trailer.
But hey, that's just an opinion!

p.s. The only one who's deluded is someone I know who thinks that Cinderella in "A Twist in Time" was on-model. Well she was beautiful, but she resembled a Barbie doll, not Disney's Cinderella.

[Jens]

*sigh*

I'm also with Disney Duster on this... Ariel looks way off-model and she shouldn't be, as DisneyToon Studios had enough time to alter the animation (meaning, telling the external animation companies) so she would look good.

People saying that she is off-model in the original movie too, are correct. Glenn Keane admitted that because of time constraints he sometimes had too let some animation pass, even if he wanted to redraw it. Only, the thing is that even though she is off-model, she is -most of the time- still drawn correctly. Like Disney Duster points out, on some occasions the body structure of Ariel isn't even correctly drawn in this trailer!

Anyhoo, this IS a trailer and a fragment on how the film would look like, so we shouldn't be judging it directly, but hey, why can't we judge the trailer untill the film is here?

P.S.: Aladdin from Agrabbah, your screencaps do NOT prove your point! Ariel is in totally different poses and on the right screencaps she is drawn nearly correct! In the left screencaps she is seriously off-model!

[Chernabog_Rocks]

You tell me, which one does she look more like, the sneak peek or the trailer?

Well, according to my comparison, she looks more like the trailer:

I agree with Disney_Duster

The ones on the left look rather poor compared with the ones on the right. On the left her face looks so off, everything seems really large or stretched, just look at her mouth it's like she's channeling her inner Fairuza Balk especially on the bottom right