/feels less lonely now.Lilo wrote:I'm gay, too... I knew it since I was 14 but I just told a few friends and lived pretty much in denial. I had 3 boyfriends because I was too afraid to be honest to myself.
Now I have a girlfriend and I am very happy... she's everything I always dreamed of.
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UM, just because some people don't do marriage in the right way, and some people aren't Christian but still don't want us to get married? If it's about tradition to the heterosexuals who don't want us to get married, it's time to break that tradition, because breaking tradition has made change and good things happen. In fact, I would say that it is traditional for people to marry if they are in love.Josh wrote:Hmmmm. A lot of gay rights slogans say things like "Marriage is about Love, Not Gender". But like many of you have pointed out, the people who are married for a few hours in Vegas aren't in love. And it's not about religion, as athiests get married too, and they can be against Gay Marriage (i.e. Me).
Anyway, it's not about what anyone else wants, it's about what gay people want, and we want marriage to be about love, and we want our marriage to show it. I want to get married if I'm in love, not to follow tradition. If I wanted to follow tradition, I wouldn't date men or express that I was sexually attracted to men. I want to marry a man I love because I love him, because marriage will show the world I love him, because it is a sign that I love him so much I want to commit to him and live with him for the rest of my life.
I will fight hard for it so I can make a commitment and have a nice ceremony and prove my love to the man I love! Yea, sure, if marriage was never thought of in the first place, I don't know what I would do to show the man I love that he's such a big deal to me and show the world we are a big deal to each other, but I'm sure I'd invent something. But I want the ceremony, the cake, the witnesses, the idea of becoming one with the person I love.Josh wrote:Think about it, if marriage never existed and your parents or people in your lives were never married, then would you fight so hard for it?
If it's not about love, what about all that promising to love each other for better or worse, in sickness or health? This is just one example I found:
And think of all the other mentions of love that you find at weddings. Do you really think it's "Oh, we're getting married...oh, and we happen to be in love, too!"?Do you take this man/woman to be your husband/wife and do you promise and covenant, before God and these witnesses, to be a loyal and faithful husband/wife, to love him/her and honor him/her, in all duty and service to live with her and cherish him/her, in plenty and in want, in joy and in sorrow, in sickness and in health, for as long as you both shall live?
If gays can be married, I don't care how you personally feel, it will suggest that gay love isn't worth has much as heterosexual love. You may not mean that, but it says that. And marriage says, or suggests, the people are in love.
Prudence, aw, well, I'm glad Lilo spoke up, now!
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I see what you mean. Sometimes, there's nothing more important than finding someone who shares your interests. I also think what you pointed out about gay males is amusing. It's probably the way we're programmed. When we feel an inch, if we can't scratch it- it's like we think we're obligated to announce it somehow.Prudence wrote:This thread is filled with conversations of men who liked men. It's odd to think that I'm the closest to an actively posting lesbian here, especially when I am in a heterosexual relationship at the moment, and I find it a bit sad. U.D. simply has more male members than female members, I know.
At any rate, that's why I said the picture seems wasted on most here. If it was of two actors, it would be an entirely different story. I'd be reading the words of U.D. members exclaiming how attractive both men are.
I'll admit it, I feel out of place and lonely.
As for the Holland Taylor / Lily Tomlin thing, it's probably just a lack of information and exposure to them and their work. I like what I've seen of them, but they don't get enough exposure. I heard Tomlin was quite the rebel commedienne in her day. Very edgy. Holland is a real oneofakind. No one else like her. Maybe you should tell us what you find so attractive about her, if you haven't already (I'm notorious for tuning out- in terms of paying attention). As for the image of the two women together, I think most people enjoy seeing pairs of people they find to be similarly built or designed together.
Sorry you feel lonely. I never feel that way, I usually feel bored. You just have to try to be happy with being and bringing your own unique perspective to these topics. There's still no one like you here, in terms of personality. We appreciate that. Maybe you'll inspire others to let their inner style out and you'll find a connection there.
I hope.
Sorry Anthony, I want all people to try and remember- it's not necessarily the person who's the problem. It's what they say. You can attack what they say without insulting them personally. I failed with you a while back, but we're still talking now. We want people to understand us, not hate us. And we really want to be equal, not superior.Anthony wrote:Lazario, your rebuttal to the very sad and very ignorant Josh = THE BEST POST OF THE YEAR!![]()
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Thank you. There have been members on this board in the past that have tried to run me off of here. But this is proof that I'm doing something right.mikemgmve wrote:And amen to everything Lazario had to say about the 'tradition' post.
Civil Unions are a frickin' joke. I do want to say I'm glad some people are somewhat satisfied with it, some gay couples should be commended for putting up with it. I don't believe they are selling-out or any weaker for accepting this deal. But for me, and I think for the future of gays/lesbians, the people deciding Civil Unions are "good enough" need to know that they have no right to decide our lives for us. Whenever anyone tries to control someone else, it's wrong. And we can't let these people hide behind their righteousness anymore. Nothing makes it right. Nothing.mikemgmve wrote:I think it's hilarious when people try to use civil unions as a compromise and why fight for marraige, when you have unions? Because.... that doesn't instill all the rights that a marraige does into your union. The tides of change are coming, still a few years away, but I have no doubt in my mind that before I'm 40 I'll be able to marry the man I love. (I'm 25 now btw..)
We are all born equal, really. Ignore what society and many religions program us to think and feel about our differences. I mean, just the fact that we support heterosexual marriage should be enough proof that we as a people don't discriminate against them. But they can't return the favor. Because they use their sexuality to say they are superior. In the end, homosexuality is natural to the human race, and it's as basic a difference today as male-female, black-white, etc.
The pay-off to said joke is that nine times out of ten when the media is referring to the relationship status of a celeb like Elton John or Matt Lucas or Darren Hayes, they'll use the words "marriage" and "married" anyway. (What else would you use? "Civilly united"? "Civil-partnershipped"? Ugh!)Lazario wrote:Civil Unions are a frickin' joke. I do want to say I'm glad some people are somewhat satisfied with it, some gay couples should be commended for putting up with it. I don't believe they are selling-out or any weaker for accepting this deal. But for me, and I think for the future of gays/lesbians, the people deciding Civil Unions are "good enough" need to know that they have no right to decide our lives for us.
The other, sadder, pay-off to the joke is that Australian politicians are currently having the debate about gay marriage, and the consensus at the moment is that they don't want to have Civil Unions because... it's too much like a Marriage! (Well, duh!) But they are slightly willing to have a national Relationships Register, so that two like-minded gentlemen or ladies can declare their love by very romantically filling in a couple of forms. Essentially their qualm is that a Civil Union, like a Marriage, would require a ceremonial aspect to it. It's a case of "Look, if you *must*, just write it on this piece of paper; but would you mind keeping quiet about it?".

Sometimes I think Australia is quite progressive, but at other times I realise we're still really only two steps away from "I thought blokes like that shot themselves".
"I hope we never lose sight of one thing - that this was all started by a little girl and a cat. And a rabbit."
I think that's a bi-product of the belief that children can become gay by just seeing other people.MK Sharp wrote:Australian politicians are currently having the debate about gay marriage, and the consensus at the moment is that they don't want to have Civil Unions because... it's too much like a Marriage! (Well, duh!) But they are slightly willing to have a national Relationships Register, so that two like-minded gentlemen or ladies can declare their love by very romantically filling in a couple of forms. Essentially their qualm is that a Civil Union, like a Marriage, would require a ceremonial aspect to it. It's a case of "Look, if you *must*, just write it on this piece of paper; but would you mind keeping quiet about it?".![]()
Or, that they want to shut some gays/lesbians up without dealing with the angry traditionalists.
But either way, that is pretty damn disturbing. And I haven't the stomach for it right now.
the whole idea of becoming gay cuz you saw/ were influenced by someone- something is redonk cuz sometimes i swear i'm the only gay guy in my town (i know thats prolly not true but it feels like it)
K so i remeber this gay marraige classroom discussion from 8th grade and this one girl said that if a man cud marry another man that next some guy would want to marry a pencil. I still think she's an idiot jst becuz of that and its been like 4 yrs
i still can't believe that NONE of the presidential candidates (so far) support gay marraige. whem i read that i was heartbroken! Not that i'd be getting married in the next 4 yrs anyway I'd jst like to have the option ya know?!
K so i remeber this gay marraige classroom discussion from 8th grade and this one girl said that if a man cud marry another man that next some guy would want to marry a pencil. I still think she's an idiot jst becuz of that and its been like 4 yrs
i still can't believe that NONE of the presidential candidates (so far) support gay marraige. whem i read that i was heartbroken! Not that i'd be getting married in the next 4 yrs anyway I'd jst like to have the option ya know?!
holy shit u'r cute hahaThe Tickler wrote:Wow, Widdi, I nearly fainted when I noticed that you live 20 minutes from my hometown (Sturgeon Falls)! What are the odds?![]()
As for the topic at hand...
I'm not sure if any of you were raised in a small town, but those who were probably know how tough it is to 'come out' in a place where the entire population knows your name. There was only ever one guy close to my age who made his homosexuality public, and while it must've been liberating for him, I'm sure he soon regretted making that decision. Suddenly, people would stop sitting next to him at lunchtime, or inviting him to play ball outside (even though he was among the best soccer players at school). I wasn't ready to lose the majority of my friends over something like this, so I kept my sexual orientation hidden, strictly dating girls all through high school and forcing myself to act in a manner that wouldn't raise any suspicion. I felt like Lance Bass, basically.
Things are a little better now that I'm in Ottawa (five hours away from my hometown), studying at university. I still haven't revealed my bisexuality to my family or hometown friends (although I'm really hoping to achieve that goal soon), but I'm less secretive about it over here now that I'm living on my own. People are so much more accepting in big cities, and the infinitely larger amount of openly gay/bisexual men doesn't hurt, either, haha.
Anyway, here's a photo of myself:


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some people will always just be morons! you can relish the fact that you are obviously a much better person than this pathetic girl who will never get anywhere in her life.gumby17 wrote:K so i remeber this gay marraige classroom discussion from 8th grade and this one girl said that if a man cud marry another man that next some guy would want to marry a pencil. I still think she's an idiot jst becuz of that and its been like 4 yrs
gumby17 wrote:i still can't believe that NONE of the presidential candidates (so far) support gay marraige. whem i read that i was heartbroken! Not that i'd be getting married in the next 4 yrs anyway I'd jst like to have the option ya know?!
somehow i dont think that gay marriage will ever be accepted in the US. No candidates that support gay marriage would ever be allowed to win. To them, Homosexuality is like a disease and must be treated as such! nothing will be resolved anytime soon, sadly.
Anyway, Merry Christmas Eve!

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It will happen eventually. Polls show that the vast majority of people under the age of 25 in the US support gay marriage, by the time this group of people, combined with the more progressive and liberal minded youth who continue to turn 18 each and every day are the majority of voters, gay marriage will become legal in the US.Beast_enchantment wrote:some people will always just be morons! you can relish the fact that you are obviously a much better person than this pathetic girl who will never get anywhere in her life.gumby17 wrote:K so i remeber this gay marraige classroom discussion from 8th grade and this one girl said that if a man cud marry another man that next some guy would want to marry a pencil. I still think she's an idiot jst becuz of that and its been like 4 yrs
gumby17 wrote:i still can't believe that NONE of the presidential candidates (so far) support gay marraige. whem i read that i was heartbroken! Not that i'd be getting married in the next 4 yrs anyway I'd jst like to have the option ya know?!
somehow i dont think that gay marriage will ever be accepted in the US. No candidates that support gay marriage would ever be allowed to win. To them, Homosexuality is like a disease and must be treated as such! nothing will be resolved anytime soon, sadly.
Anyway, Merry Christmas Eve!![]()
p.s. yep he is cute
Many used to believe that people of color would never be given the same legal rights as whites, and while many still hold racist views, the truth is those rights now belong to them.
It's an uphill battle, but as long as we keep going, we will eventually make it to the top.
I feel very fortunate to already live in a country where same-sex couples can legally marry and receive the same rights as different-sex couples.
Your optimism is refreshing and I hope you're right!Widdi wrote:It will happen eventually. Polls show that the vast majority of people under the age of 25 in the US support gay marriage, by the time this group of people, combined with the more progressive and liberal minded youth who continue to turn 18 each and every day are the majority of voters, gay marriage will become legal in the US.Beast_enchantment wrote: some people will always just be morons! you can relish the fact that you are obviously a much better person than this pathetic girl who will never get anywhere in her life.
somehow i dont think that gay marriage will ever be accepted in the US. No candidates that support gay marriage would ever be allowed to win. To them, Homosexuality is like a disease and must be treated as such! nothing will be resolved anytime soon, sadly.
Anyway, Merry Christmas Eve!![]()
p.s. yep he is cute
Many used to believe that people of color would never be given the same legal rights as whites, and while many still hold racist views, the truth is those rights now belong to them.
It's an uphill battle, but as long as we keep going, we will eventually make it to the top.
I feel very fortunate to already live in a country where same-sex couples can legally marry and receive the same rights as different-sex couples.

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Another U.S. state legalizes gay and lesbian marriages, in time for the new year. According to the poll this article has, the majority are in favor of gay rights. It's close, but I still find it remarkable.
Another U.S. state legalizes gay and lesbian marriages, in time for the new year. According to the poll this article has, the majority are in favor of gay rights. It's close, but I still find it remarkable.

That's hot.
Where did you read that? Last I heard Dennis Kucinich and Gravel still support gay marriage. Fortunately none of the Democratic candidates support any bans, and I have a hard time believing after 8 years of Bush that we'll have another Republican president for awhile.gumby17 wrote:i still can't believe that NONE of the presidential candidates (so far) support gay marraige. whem i read that i was heartbroken! Not that i'd be getting married in the next 4 yrs anyway I'd jst like to have the option ya know?!
Here's a handy-dandy chart, it's a bit out-dated as I know some of the candidates have dropped out.
http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=868063604&size=o
Of course while those two support gay marriage, the chance of them making the actual ballot is probably slim to none.
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I read the Disney dvd forum daily and post occasionally, but I just discovered this thread...I read a lot of it, but it's soooo long.
I was happy to see the original question because I'm proud to say I'm gay, and I was curious to see who else here is also. Unfortunately the discussion has turned into much more than that, but I like to think these types of discussions bring attention to the struggles gay people face and help move society forward in the end. I'm glad this thread exists despite its tone.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I enjoy this website, and I'm happy to come out.
I was happy to see the original question because I'm proud to say I'm gay, and I was curious to see who else here is also. Unfortunately the discussion has turned into much more than that, but I like to think these types of discussions bring attention to the struggles gay people face and help move society forward in the end. I'm glad this thread exists despite its tone.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I enjoy this website, and I'm happy to come out.
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I'm glad to hear the tone has changed. Having discovered this thread just today, I only had a chance to read the first seven pages or so. It was somewhat disappointing after reading the title and hoping to simply find other folks like myself speaking up. I may have reacted quickly by wanting to post my answer to the initial question without reading the latest pages. I'll read more later, but I'm glad to learn it has become more of a positive discussion.
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HmmmAlice wrote:Who's Gay Here on UD??
So far all I know is Lazario & Myself.....
Are there anymore??
I have to think about it long and hard.
well
i am........
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Came across this in my travels, thought it might be worth sharing or at least worth a read through.
"An engineering professor is treating her husband, a loan officer, to dinner for finally giving in to her pleas to shave off the scraggly beard he grew on vacation. His favorite restaurant is a casual place where they both feel comfortable in slacks and cotton/polyester-blend golf shirts. But, as always, she wears the gold and pearl pendant he gave her the day her divorce decree was final. They're laughing over their menus because they know he always ends up diving into a giant plate of ribs but she won't be talked into anything more fattening than shrimp.
Quiz: How many biblical prohibitions are they violating? Well, wives are supposed to be 'submissive' to their husbands (I Peter 3:1). And all women are forbidden to teach men (I Timothy 2:12), wear gold or pearls (I Timothy 2:9) or dress in clothing that 'pertains to a man' (Deuteronomy 22:5). Shellfish and pork are definitely out (Leviticus 11:7, 10) as are usury (Deuteronomy 23:19), shaving (Leviticus 19:27) and clothes of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19). And since the Bible rarely recognizes divorce, they're committing adultery, which carries the rather harsh penalty of death by stoning (Deuteronomy 22:22).
So why are they having such a good time? Probably because they wouldn't think of worrying about rules that seem absurd, anachronistic or - at best - unrealistic. Yet this same modern-day couple could easily be among the millions of Americans who never hesitate to lean on the Bible to justify their own anti-gay attitudes."
I found it rather interesting, any thoughts?
"An engineering professor is treating her husband, a loan officer, to dinner for finally giving in to her pleas to shave off the scraggly beard he grew on vacation. His favorite restaurant is a casual place where they both feel comfortable in slacks and cotton/polyester-blend golf shirts. But, as always, she wears the gold and pearl pendant he gave her the day her divorce decree was final. They're laughing over their menus because they know he always ends up diving into a giant plate of ribs but she won't be talked into anything more fattening than shrimp.
Quiz: How many biblical prohibitions are they violating? Well, wives are supposed to be 'submissive' to their husbands (I Peter 3:1). And all women are forbidden to teach men (I Timothy 2:12), wear gold or pearls (I Timothy 2:9) or dress in clothing that 'pertains to a man' (Deuteronomy 22:5). Shellfish and pork are definitely out (Leviticus 11:7, 10) as are usury (Deuteronomy 23:19), shaving (Leviticus 19:27) and clothes of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19). And since the Bible rarely recognizes divorce, they're committing adultery, which carries the rather harsh penalty of death by stoning (Deuteronomy 22:22).
So why are they having such a good time? Probably because they wouldn't think of worrying about rules that seem absurd, anachronistic or - at best - unrealistic. Yet this same modern-day couple could easily be among the millions of Americans who never hesitate to lean on the Bible to justify their own anti-gay attitudes."
I found it rather interesting, any thoughts?