Guess Which Hollywood Starlet Is Pregnant...

[blackcauldron85]

My english teacher told me Spears' mother wants to publish a book on how to be a good parent. I highly doubt that will sell well, or even get published!

The book has been "postponed indefinitely, not canceled". We'll see...

And, I don't watch much Nickelodeon, but my favorite show on there is "Zoey 101".

[scareykatt]

she met her bf at church, though, lol.:

I thought going to church won't make people do unchristian ways.

Boy, i am so wrong about that one!

ROFL

[Lazario]

I'm not shocked that a 16-year old "starlet" is pregnant. That's old news. But I might say it is fairly shocking that someone who looks so together onscreen and in her personal life is not nearly as stable as we might have thought. Which of course, goes to show- you never really know people who you don't know. You can only sort of follow the pattern.

The biggest question in my mind is, why kind of a world is this going to be for her baby? Will her Zoey-101 money last? How long will is last? What will the baby's future be like? Can she support a child in college or in various career endeavors? Will the child be able to support itself in our future?? Does she care to pay attention to the people who are very accurately predicting that future generations will have it VERY tough?

I imagine the requisite amount of Christians and conservatives will be shocked because she had sex. But, what's really shocking is how cavalierly it's decided that a baby should be born, even though these are not even close to being acceptable circumstances.

[dvdjunkie]

After listening to all the broo-ha-ha about this, I think I have to add a little bit of what I think to this.

First the boyfriend is 19, and from what I understand, Jaime is only 16. That is statutory rape in almost any state in the US. Since the Spears family call Louisiana home, it is a crime punishable by up to 20-years in prison. And the kicker is the 19-year-old doesn't have to be turned in by the parents, he can just be picked up on the street or at his home. But, we are in California, where anything goes, and it seems that everyone is in support of it.

Jaime's useless parents say: "Well, Jaime has been in a long-term relationship with this boy, and they met in church, so God must think it is okay. And we will be there to help her support this baby."

C'mon, this really sucks. There needs to be a wake-up call here. The kid needs to be put in jail, and Jaime needs to lose her job. Keeping her on television will only condone her actions, and make all those little teeny-boppers think that it is okay to go out and sleep with their older boyfriends.

The whole Spears family needs a wake-up call, and Time magazine should put the mother and father on the cover with a headline that says "Would you want to call them Mom and Dad??"

I am sorry that things have gone so poorly for Britney, but now Jaime wants some of the spotlight and rather than show her talent, which she seems to have a lot of, compared to her sister Brittany, Jaime needs to pay the price of her actions.

As a caring Grandparent, I will not permit my three granddaughters to watch this show anymore. And we will boycott the network until they fire her to show that they don't condone this type of lifestyle.

It may sound harsh, but this is the reality of the situation. 16 year old girls should not be allowed to date, or go out on unsupervised dates, and should not have 19 year old boys sleeping in their beds.

What have we learned from this? I hope a lot. And hope that everyone realizes how much wrong there has been done here. Money can't buy happiness, that we all know. It can only bring on more misery to the situation.

[Lazario]

That's tough-love, Junkie. And Jamie seems to deserve it. She screwed up, big time.

But don't think for a second that you can apply this to every young woman. Don't think for a second you can make decisions for them. It's up to each and every individual to be responsible for themselves.

And if anyone sees Jamie as a role model for young girls, that is because Nickelodeon shoved her into peoples' faces and her parents allowed her to be so nationally publicized. Other people should not be expected to pay the price for her actions.

This is not a call for us to punish young people for having sex. If you think it is, get off it right now.

[dvdjunkie]

Lazario wrote:

This is not a call for us to punish young people for having sex. If you think it is, get off it right now.

Quite the contrary. It is a call for parents to become parents and start loving and guiding their children. It is long overdue for parents to teach their children right from wrong, and to set guidelines for them.

Whether they are boys are girls, there are rules to follow, and it is up to the parents to make sure they are there for their children.

My parents were there for me from birth until I reached graduation from high school, and went on to college. They were there whenever I needed them for guidance. The problem with today's teenagers is that their parents just don't care anymore. They figure that once the kid graduates from high school they are on their own and can't seem to be bothered.

My children have always thanked us for being there when they needed questions answered. They always included us in their decisions from the time they graduated high school, went on to college, got married and started having their own children. And they are raising their children the same way.

[TM2-Megatron]

16 year old girls should not be allowed to date, or go out on unsupervised dates

lol, maybe we should get you a time machine so you can go back to the 15th century; although the past was hardly the puritanical times that overly nostalgic and draconian people make it out to be. I mean, honestly. Obviously, this girl's parents are totally incompetent (we all should've known this before, based on Britney alone). However, generally 16 is a little too old to forbid someone from having a social life. They should certainly be able to date.

Ibut now Jaime wants some of the spotlight and rather than show her talent, which she seems to have a lot of

I must've missed the part where she had talent, lol. Almost none of these idiot pop idols have talent, and she's no exception. In any case, I'd say it's fairly certain that her career on Nick is over... according to articles, her show is finished filming for the season, anyway. Since I doubt Nick will want to have a show starring a pregnant high school student, I'm sure this will be the last season as well, lol..

Jaime needs to pay the price of her actions.

I'm sure having to deal with a kid at 16 will be enough of a price. Of course, if that fails, we could always take Dr. Spaceman's advice and settle this by dunking her in water 'til she admits she made it all up.

Money can't buy happiness, that we all know.

If you know how to use it properly (none of the Spears family seem to, of course), it can buy the vast majority of the things necessary for happiness, though. And the time and trivial concerns that having money tends to free up for those people who do leaves them time, if they're smart, to devote themselves to achieving those remaining things that money can't buy.

[dvdjunkie]

Taking pieces of a post out of context or editing them to suit you just shows how much you are like those who think what she did is okay.

And 16 is too young to go out on dates that are unsupervised. Now to clarify that a little. Girls aged 16 should not be allowed out alone on a date, a double-date or with some other couple is fine, and not in a car alone with a boy. My daughters were not allowed to date, unsupervised, until they were seniors in high school. And then they still only dated in groups which was fine by us.

Parents need to be more involved in their children's lives, and get to know who their sons and daughters are dating, and where they are going on the date, and set limits as to when they should be home. No dates on school nights, and early curfews on weeknights. Friday and Saturday night curfews should be no later than midnight, and during the week, 10 pm is late enough for a 16 or 17 year old to be out.

This is not old fashioned in any way. This is called parental guidance and supervision. That is one of the main reasons we have so many pregnant teenagers, celebrity or not, today. The parents are not involved enough in their children's lives.

[Widdi]

The kid needs to be put in jail

Ummm, last time I checked, sex is a two (and sometimes more, but that's neither here nor there) person activity. If the boy goes to jail the girl should go right along with him.

I don't believe in statutory rape. The girl consented to sex, and just because the boy didn't say no, doesn't mean he's guilty of a crime. For all anyone knows she could have been the instigator.

These backwards statutory rape laws really need to be abolished. They don't deter underage sex at all, and serve no purpose other than revenge or to serve as some poor parent's way of eliminating the boyfriend.

As the old saying goes, "You can't rape the willing."

[I Love Bambi]

I'm afraid that I agree with Widdi's last post. This sounds more like consentual sex.

As for Jamie, I'm not surprised, nor do I care. But there are my two cents.

[Lazario]

It is a call for parents to become parents and start loving and guiding their children. It is long overdue for parents to teach their children right from wrong, and to set guidelines for them.

Something I've been advocating for a long time. Of course in my life, my parents weren't able to be there. Part of that may have been their choice. If you try to guess what they were thinking, it sure looks like they expected me to be my own parent. I think a lot of parents are like that, especially today.

I don't know, I might have to say I think most parents use their incredible job commitments as an excuse for "not being everywhere at once." When they can still make an impact in their kids' lives and yes, incidents like this prove a lot of parents don't even try with the time they have. Because they still want to have a life for themselves, and seem to spend more of their free time trying to have a life and let other influences/sources raise their kids for them. Or only get involved if it's something big.

What I'm saying is, I don't know but- most parents just might tell you that they don't have the time and can't make it happen (if mine are any indication). So, they (today's equivalent of my parents) would rather use Cyber Nanny and channel blockers and buying music at Wal-Mart to avoid Parental Advisory stickers, than do the traditional heart-to-heart thing when it breaks their heart to think their kids can't relate to them and trust their friends' advice more when the friends' parents are not as quick with all the blocks and locks and censors.

Kids today are still expected to grow up too fast. Because the world moves faster with more people in it. And I think the fact that so many of us aren't shocked is one thing that proves that. People aren't worth very much. If one falls down, 50 are there to take his/her place.


Forgive me if any of that seems droning. I'm trying to be as fair to parents as I can, having never been in their position, and considering the fact that I was severely neglected and abused as a kid. Plus, I don't feel well today.

Whether they are boys are girls, there are rules to follow, and it is up to the parents to make sure they are there for their children.

If I'm not mistaken, your ideal rules are that girls don't date at 16 (or before that age, I assume). Nice that that's worked for your family. But I think it was a good job to tell young women they are as free as men or their parents to make decisions for themselves. We just need to make sure the basic values system is in check. I kind of think today's censor-heavy parents aren't willing to teach them. They're hoping ignorance will do the trick. But kids can learn just as easily from knowing of the mistakes other make. In fact, that's how I learned that drugs and alcohol were bad. My mother was an alcoholic, and I saw "bad" R-rated movies on HBO and Cinemax as a pre-teen with no supervision about drug addicts. Of course, I was also pretty damn naive. So I could say it was easy for me to know wrong from right. But don't think for a second (that might catch on as my new motto) it was easy for me to deal with these things when other people did them. Deaths in the family (my grandmother and cousin) were hugely alcohol's fault and I just made sure I learned something from it. My best friend was almost injured in a drunken car accident (she wasn't drinking, but the driver was). And I knew girls in high school who got pregnant (2000, 2001 - so it wasn't that long ago).

I'm sure all these people had parents that let them down. But I promise that tighter restrictions would not have helped the kids. It would only have made it impossible for anyone to blame the parents for what might eventually go wrong with them. I knew people with restrictive parents who still screwed up (drugs).

16 is too young to go out on dates that are unsupervised. Now to clarify that a little. Girls aged 16 should not be allowed out alone on a date, a double-date or with some other couple is fine, and not in a car alone with a boy. My daughters were not allowed to date, unsupervised, until they were seniors in high school. And then they still only dated in groups which was fine by us.

As an ideal, I have to say that's not such a bad idea. For some reason, the Lifetime-tv movie filmmaker in me jumped all over that and said- wait! If you're saying the parents should approve of the boy first, think of all the abusive, controlling husbands who thrive on other people thinking he's a good guy. Then behind closed doors, he is a totally different person. But you covered your bases admirably.

Of course, then you have the concept of the "good girl" image her gal pals might use on other peoples' parents to manipulate them into letting the daughter go wild and crazy when they get to the party or isolated makeout area. But I'm sure that's just a myth...

This is not old fashioned in any way. This is called parental guidance and supervision. That is one of the main reasons we have so many pregnant teenagers, celebrity or not, today. The parents are not involved enough in their children's lives.

I'm clearly not just talking about sexual matters, but parental guidance and supervision isn't always the only key. I swear, in close to 50% of cases, bad values are just as guilty for bad behavior as is lack of an acceptable role model. A lot of parents still teach kids bad values, as much as they choose to not teach good values.

[dvdjunkie]

Widdi wrote:

Ummm, last time I checked, sex is a two (and sometimes more, but that's neither here nor there) person activity. If the boy goes to jail the girl should go right along with him.

It may be a two-way street, but when the girl is under the age of 18 it is still rape and the guy needs to pay the price. I don't care if Mom and Dad were in the same room with them telling them how to do it, the fact is that in many states in the US, sex with a child under the age of 18, whether consentual or not, is still rape.

You need to read a little more about what is going on here. Even if they were both under age, unfortunately it is the guy who is going to get the shaft.

Put the shoe on the other foot, if Jaime was 19 and the boy was 16, she would get the same treatment. It works both ways.

I still stand by what I say. Jaime needs to lose her job, and the boy needs to go to jail, and have to register as a sexual predator for the rest of his life.

All of this still reflects on the parents, and I think Lazario has hit the nail on the head with his post. I support everything he said. It is a shame that parents today don't know how to be parents, and are afraid of their own kids.

There is an old saying that I grew up with and I have never used it anywhere but in my life, and for the first time I will share with you:

PEOPLE WHO TELL YOU WHERE TODAY'S TEENAGERS ARE GOING WILL DO WELL TO CONSIDER WHERE THEY CAME FROM.

That little bit of light should tell you how I raised my children and how my grandchildren will be raised.

[Lazario]

It may be a two-way street, but when the girl is under the age of 18 it is still rape and the guy needs to pay the price. I don't care if Mom and Dad were in the same room with them telling them how to do it, the fact is that in many states in the US, sex with a child under the age of 18, whether consentual or not, is still rape.

Jamie is not a child. She's a young woman, but that doesn't make her a child.

And yes, I know you're not looking for any kind of redefinition or education on this subject. But, I just want you to know how many people will disagree with you. And to show you just how fast that will happen, I'll volunteer to be the first.

And yeah, no one wants this topic to get out of hand. Talking about rape is a bit different than Celebrity Teen Girl Gets Pregnant. But my God, rape is a damn serious thing. And if nothing more than out of respect for people who have been violently violated, what he did is not actually rape. Not that way most people consider it.

He was stupid, but no more stupid than she was. We need equal treatment on this subject. Treat both parties the same way. Unless you're saying you support this law. And that's a bunch of b.s. Sorry, but I'm going there : "age ain't nothing but a number." Hell, my mother was maybe Jamie's age when she started dating my father, and he's at least 6 years older than she is. They may not have had sex (not something I think about, fyi), but they surely went out on unsupervised dates. Two people connect on a friendship level usually. At her age, I had both friends in their 20's and friends 3 years younger than me. I'm just saying people don't just see their lovers as objects. And objectification is one of the things that goes into pedophilia, I think.

What you're talking about is really serious. And I think just maybe you're thinking it would be okay to jail him because she got pregnant and that's the real mistake she made. But that's after the fact. And if we're going to hold people accountable for their actions no matter what, than we have to say she's more responsible for the baby than he is. He's party responsible. But... she should have known.

I still stand by what I say. Jaime needs to lose her job, and the boy needs to go to jail, and have to register as a sexual predator for the rest of his life.

There is absolutely no easy way to say this, so try and remember that before you respond:

What he did does not make him a sexual predator. We have to be very clear on issues like this- we need to know when it's really a crime and not just something that shocks us. It's a crime when it violates a person physically. And it's been something of a fact for decades that the majority of girls lose their virginity, at the oldest- at age 16.

You're probably thinking, if what they did isn't criminal, where do we draw the line? Is there a line anymore? It's case by case. And it'll stay that way because we all want to be treated fairly in the eyes of the law. No one wants the lawmakers and enforcers telling us when we're ready to do something. And fairness is what we fight for when we so much as choose to support a law, or cry out against it.

It's not having sex at this age that is responsible for her getting pregnant. It's not being protected and being ignorant regarding her reproductive functions. It's having a lack of common sense in her life. The crime is that she got pregnant, not that she chose to have sex. And she did choose. We have no right to decide that she was coerced. In fact, again- when I was in high school, girls were pretty damn mature and forward at her age. And again, equal treatment and recognition is essential here. Teenagers are not as innocent as you think they are. And there is no standard of maturity for all girls or boys. Some people are more mature than others, some aren't. It sucks that there's no one magic rule that works for all people. But I also think most age-related rules are bullshit anyway. Drinking at this age, driving at that age. Think about those for a second. It's about personal ability and maturity.

Times have changed. But there are still some responsible people out there. I think this is more of an example of Hollywood child stars being neglected. That makes a lot more sense than to say sex, or her boyfriend, corrupted her. You're not qualified to judge them and decide what's right for them. Even though we know no one will handle them the right way, anyway, I agree we should have some way to set an example for others. But not by sending him to jail.

In fact, I believe most people don't learn anything from being sent to jail. Either they made a simple mistake and don't belong there, then go in and end up being traumatized and turned into hardcore criminals. Or, they are screwed up in the head before they go, and they'll end up enjoying it there. They'll "get out" with a vengeance (yes, I'm still talking psychologically). At least, if precident is any indication (I can't tell you how many crime stories I've heard about rapists and attackers getting out of jail, then deciding they want to kill someone, or do something even worse).

[dvdjunkie]

Lazario, the law is the law. I have five brothers who are in different areas of law enforcement in California, so I have consulted them before I began my posts.

Rape is rape, whether it is consensual or not. If the male is over 18 and the female is under 18, it is still consider statutory rape in almost every state in the US. And with that, rape is punishable by law, and the boyfriend in this case, no matter what the parents say, raped Jaime, and he belongs in jail and needs to be registered as a sex offender the rest of his life.

Yes, she is just as guilty as he is, but she still is underage and the parents are just as much at fault as she is for allowing this situation to get this far out of hand.

Times have changed, but parental guidance has not, and should not ever change. A parent is responsible for his child until the age of 18, and that is the law. If the child goes out and does something against the law, it is just as much the parents fault as it is the violator.

Jaime's parents should not have let these two out of their site, much let him sleep in the same room with their daughter.

I don't understand how anyone can defend such a crime. There is no such thing as consensual sex between two people when one of them is under the age of 18. It is the law.

[blackcauldron85]

16 year old girls should not be allowed to date, or go out on unsupervised dates, and should not have 19 year old boys sleeping in their beds.

I disagree with the first part, but definitely agree with the second part. I went on unsupervised dates when I was 16, and I've never been pregnant. Technically I probably wasn't supposed to have boys in my room if my door wasn't open, but my parents never really were strict about that rule...

That leads me to say that a person can be brought up with mixed values- my parents didn't really care if I had sex, as long as I didn't get pregnant. I wasn't too stupid, and I wasn't having sex at 16, but had I not had my own value system, I could have...my parents aren't bad people, and they're not stupid, but sometimes parents need to be more strict. I didn't like it when my parents were strict (heck, I moved out at 19 to another part of the country), but it could have done me some good. Parents should probably know their child's significant others- my parents didn't meet all the guys I dated, and they probably should have- it would have kept me out of some trouble...

We don't know Britney & Jamie Lynn's parents, so we don't know what kinds of values the family has...surely they didn't want their little girl to get pregnant at such a young age, but maybe they don't believe in abortion (I'm a democrat [in case anyone mentions any political "stuff" in this thread], but I don't think that abortion is right), so the only thing they can do is be supportive and accept the fact that Jamie is pregnant- without an abortion, that can't be undone.

The problem with today's teenagers is that their parents just don't care anymore. They figure that once the kid graduates from high school they are on their own and can't seem to be bothered.

That's so true. The parents do care about their kids, but they probably think that kids will do what they please, so they shouldn't waste their breath. When really, they should. Teenagers will roll their eyes and shrug it off, but at a later moment, they'll understand what their parents said, and their parents' words can keep them out of trouble.

Parents need to be more involved in their children's lives, and get to know who their sons and daughters are dating, and where they are going on the date, and set limits as to when they should be home.

I agree. I definitely got in arguments about my curfew (I would often come home late), but I could see how worried my parents were about me- often I'd come home when they'd be in bed- sometimes they'd wait up for me. I mean, if I had been smarter, I would've cared that my parents were worried about me- teenagers just don't always use the best common sense (no offense to any teenagers reading this, but I'm saying it out of experience). Parents should definitely know who their child is dating- maybe the parents can see just how much of a "loser" someone is, and could warn their child- sure, the kid probably wouldn't care, but, later on, the kid will see that their parent was right. Maybe my parents would've thought that the boys I dated that they didn't meet were losers, and that's why I never arranged for them to meet- deep down, I must've known something...

but she still is underage and the parents are just as much at fault as she is for allowing this situation to get this far out of hand.

Unless Jamie's parents were watching her 24/7, you can't really blame them. Sure, they could've told her not to have sex, but remember back to when you were a teenager- hormones affect your life. You don't always think about (or care) what your parents said. So, even if Jamie's parents did say not to have sex until she's married, they can't be completely at fault for Jamie's actions. There's no possible way that her parents would be with her 24/7, so she did as she pleased when they weren't- even if Jamie's parents said not to be with her boyfriend when they're not present, she probably wouldn't have cared and saw him- as a teenager, if my parents told me to stay away from a guy I liked, I would've just hung out with him at school or after school or at work- your parents aren't with you at those times, so you can do as you please.

[MickeyMousePal]

I'm with Bill Nickelodeon should stop airing Zoey 101 and anything that's related to either Spears.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

I have to disagree with Bill and MMP. Yes, she screwed up royally, but that's no reason to take it out on Nickelodeon, it's up to them if they want to fire her or not (Disney still let Hudgens stay on board with them despite the Photo Scandal) and if you really hate her so much now, then just stop watching that one half show

Anyways, moving on. Again, she messed up but guess what she's human like the rest of us, and we ALL make mistakes at one point or another. Who are we to judge her and her family? Just because they may not be perfectly perfect in every way, or have the same morals and values or even do things the same way as us doesn't give us the right to judge them based on those. I may not be the Spears familys #1 fan, I'm far from it, but I think it's ridiculous how everyone jumps on the "Down with Spears Family" bandwagon because they make mistakes, how would you like it if your family made some mistakes and everyone started getting on your case, critsizing everything you do or say?

I think that they should do whats best for the baby and move on from this. That's all that can be done really is just make sure the baby get's taken care of. Let the family decide what they want to do about the boyfriend, it's their business NOT ours and if anything all of our negative views and judging is just adding more pressure to them.

[I Love Bambi]

16 year old girls should not be allowed to date,

Not exactly true. There are quite a few people who started dating at a younger age than that, and didn't get pregnant.

I agree with your post for the most part, Lazario.

[dvdjunkie]

Again taking sentences out of context of the whole post allows one to write what they want.

We are talking about these particular parents, and parenting as a whole. If your parents let you date when you were younger than 16, they must have felt that they had taught you the correct set of values and trusted that you would live up to them.

Why do you want to say that Rape is a good thing Chernabog_Rocks? Rape is immoral and a violent act against a woman. What part of she is just 16 and he was 19 don't you understand? He violated the law and should be punished for it. And she is in the public spotlight with a television show and she should not be allowed to participate in that anymore. The parents have publically stated that "Jaime was in a long-term relationship and we let them sleep in the same room together". Now what kind of parent does that? Surely you can't condone that sort of behavior. Parents need to take a more active part in their children's lives. They need to teach a sort of moral values, and make sure that the child understands the punishment for violating those values. It is just good parenting and that's what is missing from Jaime and Brittany's lives.

[I Love Bambi]

The word "rape" is described in most dictionaries as forcing the victim to have sex against their own will. Yes, it is immoral and violent, but if you take that into account, it isn't exactly what happened here. (though I don't support Jamie's actions)

In reality, Jamie is responsible for her actions, not her parents.