Josh wrote:Think about it, if marriage never existed and your parents or people in your lives were never married, then would you fight so hard for it?
What are you trying to say with that?
Josh wrote:A marriage isn't about love, gender or religion. It's about tradition.
When you say it like that, Josh, you make it sound as though a man and woman are obligated to get married whenever they couple. Meaning, all Marriage-worthy couples should not get together unless they plan on getting married. Which of course sours the entire idea of love. Now, people are reduced to objects. Very much like the small Bride and Groom figures atop a wedding cake.
I think you'll find that's one of several reasons people support True-Marriage. A marriage based on true love whether it's between a man and a woman or two men / two women. If you prefer to see "tradition" as more important than "love," you'll even more quickly find yourself in the minority. It's all about what's more important. Tradition or love? Love sets you free. Tradition is just one more ideal set up by someone else that no one really wants to have to answer to. Tradition is not freedom. No one really cares about tradition for themselves. So, why would you suggest other people should follow it? Just to make yourself more comfortable? What makes your comfort more important than ours??
Josh wrote:I just think marriage should be kept between a man and a woman.
So, you think you are qualified to control other peoples' lives? That is one way of you saying you are better than other people, namely us. It might not be what you mean to say, but it is still what you are saying. That is why I am so against it. You don't have as much right as you think you do to say things like that. Because, your beliefs and your heterosexuality does not make you in any way superior.
Josh wrote:However I'm not against civil unions or whatever they are.
Oh, how very kind of you. How generous. Thank you so very much.
Who cares? You obviously think we're not good enough for your Marriage. One thing though, I really didn't know heterosexuals owned marriage. They certainly "OWN" us, don't they?
Allowing us to become "Civily United" like they have the right to decide what our relationships are worth. I thought slavery (control over one's life choices) was illegal?
Josh wrote:The other day on radio I heard a guy call up and tell a story about his partner who had a stroke or something to do with his heart, anyway his partner was rushed to the hospital but wasn't allowed to undergo surgery until they got the approval and consent from his family and this guy couldn't sign his papers or say go ahead with the surgery because legally they weren't related even though they'd been boyfriend/boyfriend for 15 years. Anyway they couldn't contact his family and the partner ended up dying in his hospital bed for some sudden reason, because this guy didn't have legal authorization to approve his boyfriend's surgery.
I thought it was really, really sad
So I think homosexual couples should have all the rights that marriage allows, but keep the 'tradition' of a marriage between a man and a woman.
Your heart's in the right place, but you're still talking about other people. So, I'm going to correct you: you're not on the right track as of yet.
The reason things like that are happening, injustices of that variety are still concerns of ours - is
because we're not allowed to marry. Now, maybe you can understand even more what Gay Marriage is about. It's not just an image. You are deciding our worth based on an image. That's a lot of what tradition is about. Making sure things look the way they've been accepted most often in the past. But we already know about many of the ways gays have been discriminated against in the past. And now there is no place left for us to be grey on this matter. Now, it's just a matter of Freedom for All, or Freedom for Some. Why would you support Freedom for Some? Just because of an image that makes you comfortable? An illusion? We are proof already that that image you had is highly flawed.
I think you're close to really understanding this whole thing. So, keep listening. At least you seem to know how.
There are several different kinds of heroes in this world. I think one of the big ones are the kind who listen, in spite of what they were taught to believe. In spite of traditional ideals. Tradition, as you will note, has been the cause of a lot of pain. Look at how many times throwing tradition out has helped people (Women can vote, Blacks can vote, Gays can... well, we're still working on that one). So please, do not come in a topic like this and gush about tradition.
Why should we be let tradition decide what we do with our lives? Do you? And if so, how often?
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(i'm kidding... sorta)
