stitcharielbeast wrote:you're sort of over analyzing the characters here, they are not representations of just Disney characters but rather classical fairy tale archetypes as perceived in the modern sensibilities. They are representations of what the more cynical world perceives fairy tale characters to be.
and on the older, more iconic princesses (Snow White and Sleeping Beauty) not having "anger". They really sort of didn't and they really were a tad too perfect. although to be fair, Cinderella, Ariel and Belle did have anger and sarcasm in them but Giselle was more of the innocent perfect girl in the woods type like Aurora and Snow White.
Ver good points! And I do think I over analyze too much. Still, I like to think and think films over, and it only leads you further, I'd say. If that was the goal, to have these characters made just as how the adult 21st century or the average viewer of this century sees them, then I guess I can forgive them. But then it makes the Disney characters look pretty bad, and Amy Adams really was holding back and not being the fullest Disney princess she could be. But I guess it doesn't matter if everyone still thinks she did well as the princess everyone thinks a princess is.
stitcharielbeast wrote:I took it that Giselle already called out for Edward so many times that she felt he couldn't hear her from the new odd place she was in.
That's good reasoning, but it doesn't do enough for me personally. I found it strange that after she said that Edward still heard her singing "That's How You Know" from far away.
stitcharielbeast wrote:you're over-analyzing it again. having Giselle go all Oprah on the Banks couple would make it as though she were talking down on them. It's better that the couple figured it out on their own with an innocent observation being the start-off point rather than having a complete stranger dissect their relationship for them.
and as for what Nancy wanted, I think it was already established that Nancy was a romantic at heart and that she would appreciate such gestures. And I believe the "unlike Robert" part was saying more "if you really love someone, learn to adjust". Besides they make it pretty clear that Robert isn't really someone who shows his feelings well because of what his ex did.
If anything the least sincere part of the movie was Robert and Nancy's relationship which didn't really feel real and was hugely underdeveloped.
Upon seeing the film a second time, Giselle did say a little more about how they first fell in love, and I guess I was just being really harsh. And also for all the reasons you stated I agree it was best they just heard what she said briefly and then figured everything out on their own. Maybe I just wish Giselle said less cliche things like "I know what's in his heart" and, under provocation by someone who doesn't know what she means, explain that when you love someone that's all a relationship really needs or gets own to.
I know some people said Nancy didn't seem like the romantic type. Maybe if we had just seen Robert specifically picking out that heart-shaped wreath by himself because he knew Nancy would love it specifically, I would have thought it more okay than just letting a stranger pick out something for her. Flowers are too foten used as a way to get a girl to like you again just because everyone think girls like flowers.
Somehow I thought Nancy being known to like romanticism and Edward being romantic in every way was enough to deem them okay together. But yeah, it was underdeveloped, I was just okay with that and not a lot of other things people
were okay with in the movie!
stitcharielbeast wrote:[Maleficent was making cracks about "Fairy Tale Stories" to Prince Phillip in Sleeping Beauty so it isn't really anything so sacrilegious. And it's already a widely accepted fact about traditional fairy tales that the Princess is the damsel in distress and the prince is the one with the sword. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that it's a twist in the fairy tale story to have the princess do the fighting.
and of course, "Enchanted" is meant to entertain not teach...that's the parents' job.
Ooohhh, I forgot about that! Well then, Narissa's lines really weren't bad, especially considering she was very much like Maleficent. However, the twist line still bothered me. I wouldn't mind her calling Giselle "the brave little princess", but we should have started accepting that girls can do anything a man can long ago, and it should not be called a twist anymore. I wouldn't mind if Narissa said, "It's unlike your nature to stab people" and then Giselle says saving her true love is all that matters or something to that effect.
But all in all, you have made me change of my mind on things and I forgive the film a lot more. Wonderful job debating with and enlightening me! It's good to see what other people see, even if I don't always agree.
Oh, and you're right about parents teaching, not movies, though that doesn't mean movies shouldn't try.
All about the music... they haven't added it to the podcasts though..... grrrr....
