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Please note: In this article I will reference a number of television series both animated and live-action created by Disney. It is by no means a definitive chronology of Disney's television output, and the examples I have included are simply there to illustrate key developments, years or give a general idea of a certain time period. So Gargoyles (1994) fans – don't take me to task for leaving them out of the main body. :)

Disney Debates: #4 Should Disney Television be original, or make more use of Disney characters and concepts?

Disney had limited presence in the world of Television until the mid-1980's. Shows such as the various Anthology series, the Mickey Mouse Club and Zorro had started in the 1950's, but since then, apart from various specials, new television productions had been rare.

That all changed when Disney changed. Hard as it may be to imagine today, during the 1980's Disney was dangerously close to either disappearing totally or being swallowed up by another entertainment company. It was only the leadership of Michael Eisner and Frank Wells (both from positions in other entertainment companies – ABC and Warner Brothers respectively) that stopped this from happening. Part of their strategy to improve the financial foundations of the company was diversification. This strategy saw the successful launch of Touchstone Pictures which enabled Disney to create films for an older audience without tainting the Disney name and also Disney's first aggressive steps into becoming content producers for television.

Touchstone Pictures had its own television division called, appropriately enough Touchstone Television, while the Disney name was to be used on new animated series. This was Disney Television Animation, but was later called DisneyToon Studios.

This enterprise launched in 1985 with original properties Disney's Adventures of the Gummi Bears and The Wuzzles (according to Wikipedia the latter created by Michael Eisner himself!)

But it wasn't long before well known Disney personalities were used: Ducktales (1987), Chip 'N Dale Rescue Rangers (1989), Goof Troop (1992) and The Jungle Cubs (1996) being just some examples of the Disney television animation department mining its rich character and concepts vaults.

Also, Disney television animation seems to have no quarms about taking the characters and locations from recently released "Animated Classics" and turning them into weekly television animated series – often using a sizable number of the original voice cast while doing so – so we got series such as The Little Mermaid (The Animated Series) (1992), Aladdin (The Animated Series) (1994) and Hercules (The Animated Series) (1998).

There is no denying the popularity of Disney Television Animation's original characters – all are well loved and fondly remembered, but at the same time, it would appear the series created around existing Disney characters, concepts or films were more popular. No doubt this comes from having a much bigger initial "hook" to draw the viewer in, and enabling the new series to hit the ground running, rather than having to build up speed from a standing start.

Throughout the mid-1980's to the end of the 1990's Disney Television Animation produced a wide range of shows, some with the always popular Disney mainstays of Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and Goofy, some based on well-loved characters from Disney's extensive past, some based on Walt Disney Feature Animation's latest animated films and some wholly original.

But then, towards the end of the 1990's something happened. Animated series based on existing Disney properties became rarer – notable exceptions being shows such as Buzz Lightyear of Star Command (2000), The Legend of Tarzan (2001) and Lilo and Stitch: The Series (2003). But these shows were being created at the same time Disney Television Animation was creating and showing original shows such as Recess (1997), Teacher's Pet (2000) and Kim Possible (2002). Recess and Teacher's Pet – like Ducktales before them – even spun-off their own theatrical movies.

Far from the previous decade where established Disney properties trumped original creations for popularity, it appears that as the audience moved into the 21st century, original creations had the upper hand, and the collective hearts and minds of the viewing public.

When Kim Possible was finally cancelled there was a huge public outcry of disappointment and anger. More so than when shows such as The Legend of Tarzan or Buzz Lightyear of Star Command were.

On the face of it, if you were to see it now for the first time, it would be hard to see why. Like most of the original Disney Television Animation creations of the past decade, the detail on the character and location designs is sparse, with attention being focussed on both simple shapes for easy of animation and modern style. (As an aside please note: that I personally like this style of animation). It may not be a poor looking show, but it cannot compare to the fuller, more expressive animation on shows such as Rescue Rangers or The Little Mermaid's television series.

It's pretty clear that the outcry was because Kim Possible was serving up something clever, witty, exciting and… above all else… original.

But its not just in animation that Disney Television prefers to create new characters rather than look to the past. While there's been a live-action series for Honey I Shrink The Kids (1997) the bulk of Disney's live-action has been creating original properties – from Disney Channel Original Movies (the perfect example being the hugely successful High School Musical and it's sequel) to comedy shows for children like Lizzy McGuire (2001) to today's Hanna Montana (2006) Disney are serving up highly popular television shows without having to rely on reusing or reimagining past Disney glories.

Are Disney correct to go this route – occasionally bringing back Mickey and Co to star in televisual animated antics every so often, and even more occasionally basing a series on a Disney Animated Classic (The Emperor's New School (2006) being the last as far as I can remember) while concentrating on producing fresh, original animated and live-action series?

Or would you prefer Disney Television to go back to its roots more often and give us series based on some of the rich characters, concepts and movies Disney has made over the past 80-odd years?

If a film or series isn't popular immediately, should a television series be dropped, or allowed to build an audience? With Disney now owning ABC there is less commercial pressure to produce an instant audience hit (although I admit in any commercial business, there's always pressure for success). Personally, I was upset when I heard Team Atlantis was going to be cancelled – even though several episodes were in various stages of completion – simply because the motion picture underperformed at the box office.

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Well,i prefer shows that based on movies,it's nice to see more new things about the series,Kim Possible is nice and i didn't liked Gargoyels.
Anyway i think that they can make shows on Sleeping Beauty,Snow White,Peter Pan,Enchanted,Lady and the Tramp,Pocahontas and Arsitocats.
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I think the most ideal situation would be for it to reflect a mixture of both. I think it is great that Disney is coming up with new ideas for television shows, the whole Suite Life of Zack and Cody", "Hannah Montana", "That's So Raven" are all great concepts that the tween market are totally eating up. However, I feel there is very little Disney related stuff (as I know it) on the Disney Channel these days. I think they should air shows like "Aladdin" and "The Little Mermaid" that are based off movies more frequently. My BIGGEST concern with the Disney channel is how often they play Disney animated classics - which is next to never. It's called the DISNEY CHANNEL and they rarely ever play any classic Disney stuff. I wish they would play Disney Animated Classics much more often.
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It's funny, I see more Disney Animated Classics on CBC than on any of the Disney owned channels.
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Well, as much as I love The Little Mermaid, to some extent I dislike the series. It just doesn't catch the charm the movie had and the animation is terrible plus most of the stories are dumb and uncreative. Aladdin is a different story, though. The stories are exciting and creative plus add some character development. It really depends on how the series is done. It can be bland and boring, or creative and exciting.

The question here is whether Disney should be more original or not, though. Originality is the key, in my opinion. I loved Brandy and Mr. Whiskers because it was so "un-Disney" and the jokes weren't completely stupid, at least compared to SpongeBob Squarepants. I also enjoy The Suite Life of Zack and Cody and That's so Raven. Disney's new shows seem to be going down hill, though. Hannah Montana? Cory in the House? Really!

I'd like to bring in the fact that I'm a Gargoyles fan in this topic. I plan to buy the first season, soon. Gargoyles is definitely a departure from traditional Disney, but I must admit I would not mind another Gargoyles series. Heaven knows there were sixty different planned spin-offs.
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Maybe it's just me, but I find the majority of the live-action shows on the channel dull and uninventive. I mean, seriously, it's sad when That's So Raven looks good when compared to what's being aired now. Kim Possible is probably the show with the most quality that's being played. Old shows (like Even Stevens or Lizzie McGuire), which still aren't my taste, were better than Hannah Montana and the rest.
UmbrellaFish wrote:Well, as much as I love The Little Mermaid, to some extent I dislike the series. It just doesn't catch the charm the movie had and the animation is terrible plus most of the stories are dumb and uncreative.
Personally, now that I've finally taken the time to try and tape The Little Mermaid and Aladdin series (in order), I think I underestimated TLM series. For the most part it captures the character of Ariel and co. even if the stories tend to be somewhat bizarre, the animation is decent, most of the songs are great, and Urchin and Gabriella are characters I've always wished would get more recognition (like in TLM prequel or something).

As for Aladdin, I think everyone can agree that was a great example of what movies-turned-TV can do.
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I do agree the songs are good, and I suppose it's rare to find a series with songs in it. Yet to me that doesn't make up for much when the movie is so good. I just can't be satisfied by it. Still, at least compared to TLM 2 it's the best series in the world!
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2099net wrote: Are Disney correct to go this route – occasionally bringing back Mickey and Co to star in televisual animated antics every so often, and even more occasionally basing a series on a Disney Animated Classic while concentrating on producing fresh, original animated and live-action series?
Yes. I love the Disney Channel- I've always loved the Disney Channel. I've always liked both the original shows and the ones based on Disney movies. I guess, deep down, I probably prefer original shows. "Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers" has always been my favorite Disney Afternoon show, and one could argue that that show and "DuckTales" aren't the most original of the original films, since Chip 'n Dale were in some Donald shorts, and "DuckTales" is loosely based on the Uncle Scrooge comics.
2099net wrote:If a film or series isn't popular immediately, should a television series be dropped, or allowed to build an audience?
Well, in the TV business, if a show isn't pulling in viewers, they cancel it. I think that many people have probably started watching a show, only to have it pulled later in the season (I know that I have). So, if a show isn't catching on with the public, after a few weeks, it only makes sense to drop it. Save some money.
Simba3 wrote:However, I feel there is very little Disney related stuff (as I know it) on the Disney Channel these days
Well, everything from "Lizzie McGuire" to "Hannah Montana" [note the correct spellings, Netty! :)] are just as Disney, one could argue, as the animated or live-action Disney films. I mean, "Lizzie McGuire" even had its own theatrical film, and "Hannah Montana" will.
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Disney's Divinity wrote:As for Aladdin, I think everyone can agree that was a great example of what movies-turned-TV can do.
Not really,the Aladdin series was biazzer (Aladdin turns into a shark? Jasmine turns into a snake? WTF?).
By the way-about The Legend Of Tarzan,in the film Jane was a damsle in distress,in the series she sounds more like Jasmine,she is like Jasmine in the series?.
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First I'll try (emphasizes on try) to answer ArielsPrince's question.

In the series, they probably made Jane less like a damsel in distress just so they could expand on her character a bit more instead of making her the stereotypical "Damsel in Distress". That's just my little theory, I haven't seen anything Tarzan related in years (actually never seen the full movie)

Anyways back on topic. I actually like shows like Aladdin, Little Mermaid, Hercules etc. because it can expand the universe of that character and can expand on the characters more. It also makes each show look/feel like it's part of something bigger than just it's little corner of the world, it shows everythings sort of connected. Hope that makes sense.......it made sense in my head :lol:

However, I also like seeing new original shows like Kim Possible, however it seems like there's a lack of those now, when was the last good original show that came out after Kim Possible? Every live action show isn't really all that original now since they're all too similar (aka Tweens/Teens with Problems).

So I guess I'm on the fence (if thats allowed) they should keep making more original shows but try and stray away from Teen/Tween stuff. However it also wouldn't hurt to try and make more use of their already made characters, I mean how many different heroes are there that they could use? It's not like they're short of any. Personally, it might be neat to see how they would handle an actual Woody's Roundup show.........yeah ok that might be a stretch but at least it's original (somewhat) :P
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Chernabog_Rocks wrote:First I'll try (emphasizes on try) to answer ArielsPrince's question.

In the series, they probably made Jane less like a damsel in distress just so they could expand on her character a bit more instead of making her the stereotypical "Damsel in Distress". That's just my little theory, I haven't seen anything Tarzan related in years (actually never seen the full movie)
Could be,becouse in the series she it's sounds that she's like Jasmine,anyway she sounds more intersting then in the movie (a bit more intersting,it's not that she's a bad character).
In Kingdom Hearts she just get kidnapt but let's face-every female characters (incolding storng characters like Mulan,Jasmine,Nala,Ariel and etc.) in Kingdom Hearts is shown like she needs to be rescued.
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blackcauldron85 wrote: Well, everything from "Lizzie McGuire" to "Hannah Montana" [note the correct spellings, Netty! :)] are just as Disney, one could argue, as the animated or live-action Disney films. I mean, "Lizzie McGuire" even had its own theatrical film, and "Hannah Montana" will.
Spelling is, I'm afraid, my kryptonite. Still at least I only go from opinionated internet poster to opinionated grumpy internet poster at the prospect of typing even an average lengthed word. At least my weakness doesn't endanger the world!

As for this thread, I have to say I really think Disney should continue do to more TV based on Disney properties. Not everything - that would be overkill, but there seems to be a general lack of "Disneyness" (Is that a word? If so, did I spell it correctly? :) ) at the moment.

I think the Mouseworks/House of Mouse Mickey Mouse shorts showed for example that Mickey and Co. were sucessfully updated for the mordern audience without losing anything. Some of those shorts showed a Mickey who was a little more irritable and mischivious than the Mickey we've seen for decades. Not only that, but some of the longer "adventure" based episodes were just as exciting and entertaining as Ducktales was in the 1980s.

I'd like to see Team Atlantis' characters expanded as they travelled the world investigating monsters, myths and mysteries. I'd like to see a live action Herbie series. I'd like to see Lewis invent more incredible machines and get into and out of even more trouble – with the occasional assistance of Wilber Robinson. I'd like to see more adventures at Sky High – either live action or animated (I don't think making a superhero based series animated would be a betrayal of the original).

Of course, I also enjoyed Kim Possible, Teacher's Pet and more. But I think at the moment, the balance isn't quite right.
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I like a mix of both. But I also enjoy Adventures in Wonderland which doesn't quite fit into either (it takes place in a setting explored in a Disney movie, but with new concepts and ideas and more modern elements). More shows like that would be interesting, like one based on the Chronicles of Prydain, or even remakes of older shows, like The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh or Zorro.
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Disney Debate #4 wrote:Disney Debates: #4 Should Disney Television be original, or make more use of Disney characters and concepts?
Well, one could make the argument that it IS called the Disney Channel, so should focus on Disney-created characters. But if Disney Television did make original shows, wouldn't they already be considered Disney characters by default? Either way, all I know is the Disney Channel I grew up with (mid/late 90s to early 2000s) wasn't as awesome as Disney Channel of the 80s, but at least we still had Vault Disney. And there are very few shows that I would commit myself to watching these days. "Hannah Montana" and "Suite Life" are more of a channel-surfing show, not one I'll schedule my television viewing around. "Hannah Montana", as bad as it is, has a few redeeming qualities. Of course, the redeeming qualities are Emily Osment and Mitchell Musso, and I'd rather watch them in a spin-off (maybe something akin to "Joanie Loves Chachi", like "Lilly Loves Ollie" ;) ) than watch the fictional Stewart family.

In recent years, with the exception of "Phil of the Future" and "Suite Life" on a good day, I haven't really found a Disney Channel show of true quality since ye olden days of "The Famous Jett Jackson". And I'll still have soft spots for "So Weird" and "In A Heartbeat", even if I didn't watch them as often as any other shows. I tried watching their newest show, "Wizards of Waverly Place", and it felt very familiar. It was, in essence, "Phil of the Future", with "people from the future" replaced by "people with magical powers". Only it's done far worse than "Phil of the Future" on a bad day. Their live-action shows now are really cheap, in both quality and production values. I only really watch them out of habit rather than out of interest, and whenever Kram and Jane are home, they keep the TV on Disney Channel all the time since they don't get it up at Rutgers.

But anyway, back to the argument about original cartoon shows or Disney-characer-inspired shows.

I'm for the idea of spinning-off Disney characters into a continuing show, but only if it's done "right". For example, the "Aladdin" TV series takes place after the movie, and is bookended by the two direct-to-video sequels. Thus, the movie's continuity isn't really affected, and makes for great television (great in the Saturday-morning-cartoon sense). I'm not particularly fond of the series (which is odd, given how much I love the films), but I did enjoy watching it when it was on.

However, sometimes a cartoon spin-off is done "wrong". As entertaining as "The Little Mermaid" series is for some of the more devoted fans, it steps on the continuity of the movies and suffers from being horribly drawn. I'm not saying this because I dislike the movies. My dislike for them have nothing to do with the dislike of the series. The idea of giving Arie some pre-movie adventures was interesting, but in its execution makes for dodgy stories and just plain bad animation. I still remember the episode with the Prince Eric cameo (where they thought a boot was a "thingamajigger"), and he might as well have been someone else entirely, he looked nothing like the movie version. But we can't shouldn't entirely fault the overseas animators for providing substandard animation. More blame should go to whatever crackpot executive thought a series would be worth investing in.
Ariel'sprince wrote:Not really,the Aladdin series was biazzer (Aladdin turns into a shark? Jasmine turns into a snake? WTF?).
It's already established that there are supernatural elements in the movie, so why would it be bizarre to see it in the series? Of course, I don't know which episodes you're referring to (haven't seen the show in years), but seriously, if it's normal for Abu to turn into an elephant in the film or for a cave with a tiger's head to emerge from a sand dune, then it should be plausible for Aladdin or Jasmine to be transformed into sharks and snakes within the series.

A great example of a show done "right", but can still be "wrong" is the "Lilo & Stitch" series. It easily captures the quality and style of the film's animation, and is also a great post-movie continuation (I haven't seen Lilo & Stitch 2: Stitch Has A Glitch, so I don't know where that fits in continuity). But while it gets a gold star for keeping true to the look of the film and providing the same (and sometimes more developed) character personalities, its entire premise easily becomes formulaic. An experiment is activated, Lilo & Stich try and save it from Gantu, then find a place where it belongs. Sure, the ways that they do plot points A, B, and C can be interesting, but after awhile you have to wonder if that's all their lot in life is.

So in essence, a series based on pre-conceived Disney characters definitely can work since there's already a built-in fanbase. But it won't always work "right".

I'm not too fond of the "original" cartoons by Disney, like "Gummi Bears" (gasp, shock!) or "Kim Possible". While I can understand the appeal of both, to me it's just not as engaging as watching established characters. Of course, that's entirely hypocritical, since the "established" characters had to start of somewhere as well. If I had seen "Lilo & Stitch: The Series" before seeing the movie, I'd have hated it. But the movie helps set up what the series will be like, even if it's meant to stand alone on its own merits.

But even if I don't like the majority of "original" cartoons by Disney, there are a few I like. "Recess", "Pepper Ann", and "The Weekenders" all stand out from recent years (and all were part of One Saturday Morning). And even some older cartoons like "Marsupilami" and "Bonkers" still have replay value. But most of the recent stuff just doesn't feel like it has the Disney quality, but more of the Disney-trying-to-be-Nickelodeon quality. Nickelodeon has some fine shows as well, but I think some Disney shows (like "Dave the Barbarian", "Jake Long", and "The Proud Family") would have been better placed on Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network.

Still, give me "Chip 'n' Dale: Rescue Rangers" or "Aladdin: The Series" over decidedly-unDisney attempts like "Brandy & Mr. Whiskers" (I still wonder what it was they were smoking when they made it) or the nauseating upcoming "Phineas & Ferb". I forget what movie had that show as a "preview" before its 2008 debut, but the show sucks. The characters are tepid, the animation is wacky-in-a-bad-way, and the stories are...(come up with a word for "tragically dull").
netty wrote:I think the Mouseworks/House of Mouse Mickey Mouse shorts showed for example that Mickey and Co. were sucessfully updated for the mordern audience without losing anything. Some of those shorts showed a Mickey who was a little more irritable and mischivious than the Mickey we've seen for decades. Not only that, but some of the longer "adventure" based episodes were just as exciting and entertaining as Ducktales was in the 1980s.
Definitely agree. MouseWorks and House of Mouse are prime examples of taking established characters and not only re-introducing them to a new audience, but also keeping in the style of their old theatrical shorts. A short like "Topsy Turvy Town" (with Mickey and Minnie) could have easily been made in the 1930s/1940s and be well-regarded today.

I think, though, that the general public have formed a mentality that Mickey and company are oldschool Disney, and anything new, no matter how good (The Three Musketeers) or bad (Twice Upon A Christmas, which I'm not choosing because of being CGI*, but because of the weakness of half of its stories), would not be "right" for the characters. Almost as if they were restricted solely to their Walt-Era material, and anything else is apocryphal.

Finally, touching on a topic no one has really discussed yet, I'd like to see more Disney Channel Original Movies that aren't primarily a comedy-driven script. When was the last time we had a dramatic film of the calibre of The Color of Friendship? Tru Confessions came close, but just felt forced to me.

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As others have said, I feel Disney should both strive for originality (bring in more shows like Gargoyles) as well as make shows for the more familiar characters. Mouseworks and House of Mouse had a nice idea, and I wouldn't mind seeing more of that sort of thing in the future. There are also great ideas introduced in Disney comics which could be utilized as a basis of Disney series.

For example, there are a bunch of Italian stories where Clarabelle Cow and Horace Horsecollar are working as reporters for a newspaper in Duckburg in the 1920/30s and trying to solve the crimes of the likes of Al Capone and other crime bosses, and this kind of story setting might work well as well as bring the often-neglected Horace and Clarabelle more into the spotlight.

Another great example is the critically acclaimed The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck by Don Rosa. If this was done properly as a TV series with good animation, good actors as well as good enough adaptation of the story and a enchanting musical score, it could become a huge hit. The stories would work well in a series format not to mention the story is among the finest ever produced in Disney comics (thanks to both Rosa and Barks's attention to detail and great storytelling skills).
2099net wrote:Not only that, but some of the longer "adventure" based episodes were just as exciting and entertaining as Ducktales was in the 1980s.
Indeed. I felt that the long cartoon "Mickey Foils the Phantom Blot" was one of the best episodes in Mouseworks with a great blend of humour and adventure, and it was great to see one of Mickey's greatest nemeses face him in animated form as well as see nice supporting roles by Donald and Goofy. I wouldn't mind watching more episodes like that. :)
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Escapay wrote:Disney shows (like "Dave the Barbarian", "Jake Long", and "The Proud Family") would have been better placed on Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network.

...or the nauseating upcoming "Phineas & Ferb". I forget what movie had that show as a "preview" before its 2008 debut, but the show sucks. The characters are tepid, the animation is wacky-in-a-bad-way, and the stories are...(come up with a word for "tragically dull").
First, I must say that "American Dragon: Jake Long" is a surpringly good show. And I've always enjoyed "The Proud Family", but I can see why others may not like it...the animation isn't totally awesome, and some of the characters are kind of weird (like the blue mean girls).

"Phineas & Ferb" debuted after the premiere of "High School Musical 2".
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Ames wrote:First, I must say that "American Dragon: Jake Long" is a surpringly good show.
Don't get me wrong, there are qualities of "Jake Long" that do make it a genuinely good show (none come to mind at the moment because I rarely watch it). But as a whole, I always felt it fit in better with the types of shows that Nickelodeon/Cartoon Network produces and airs.
Ames wrote:And I've always enjoyed "The Proud Family", but I can see why others may not like it...the animation isn't totally awesome, and some of the characters are kind of weird (like the blue mean girls).
I think the blue mean girls were the least of my problems with the show.
Ames wrote:"Phineas & Ferb" debuted after the premiere of "High School Musical 2".
Should have figured. The night might as well have been called Dumb and Dumber. :P

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I'm surprised that theyre not producing tv shows based on Disney's biggest moneymakers. Somehow I wouldnt be surprised if we saw a cartoon series devoted to Pirates of the Carribean or the Disney princess or the villains in the near future. I actually wouldnt mind having a series like that on considering what's on Disney channel right now. The new animated shows that theyve been coming with lately are staler than stale (ex Brandy & Mr Whiskers, The Replacements, The Buzz on Maggie, etc). When you really think about it, a cartoon series based on Pirates of the Carribean (if done right of course) would allow Disney to make more money than ever before! Of course you will never see your favorite classic shows again because...well...this is Disney...they want to be hip! :lol:
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Kossage wrote:
2099net wrote:Not only that, but some of the longer "adventure" based episodes were just as exciting and entertaining as Ducktales was in the 1980s.
Indeed. I felt that the long cartoon "Mickey Foils the Phantom Blot" was one of the best episodes in Mouseworks with a great blend of humour and adventure, and it was great to see one of Mickey's greatest nemeses face him in animated form as well as see nice supporting roles by Donald and Goofy. I wouldn't mind watching more episodes like that. :)
Not only that, but the Phantom Blot did want to actually kill Mickey and co. If that's not cutting edge enough for the kids of today, I don't know what is.

I think Disney not building on the style and success of the Mouseworks/House of Mouse shorts is its biggest mistake of recent years. Alas, I feel after the launch of Mickey's Playhouse, the time has now long since passed.
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Re: Disney Debates: #4 Disney TV, original ideas preferred?

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Escapay wrote:
Ariel'sprince wrote:Not really,the Aladdin series was biazzer (Aladdin turns into a shark? Jasmine turns into a snake? WTF?).
It's already established that there are supernatural elements in the movie, so why would it be bizarre to see it in the series? Of course, I don't know which episodes you're referring to (haven't seen the show in years), but seriously, if it's normal for Abu to turn into an elephant in the film or for a cave with a tiger's head to emerge from a sand dune, then it should be plausible for Aladdin or Jasmine to be transformed into sharks and snakes within the series.
I didn't mean that it's not possible for Aladdin to turn into a shark or Jasmine into a snak,they just turne them into monsters (yeah,a monsters,they both are acting like animales when they are transformed,this twisted,Abu didn't acted like elphant,and it was cute,it wasn't twisted like Aladdin and Jasmine).
I don't remember the Aladdin as a shark episode but the episode with snak Jasmine is Eye Of The Beholder and it's in one of Disney Princess DVDs.
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