The Little Mermaid III Discussion

[singerguy04]

has the previous plot with Sally Field as a villain been dismantled???

She is in the movie,she cast a spell on Triton that makes him hate music.

As far as I know I don't think Disney has ever officially said that she casts a spell on him to make him hate music. I was pretty sure that was all your speculation.

In any case, when we all heard about Cinderella's time travel adventure for Cinderella III everyone here was bashing it too. Personally, I'm not seeing why everyone thinks this is crap. It's a basic plotline discription. You can take the best films in the world and make them sound like crap in a few lines.

I think a good story could come out of Triton banning music (it's not like he isn't a character that acts irratically anyway) because it reminds him of his wife. Sally Field could've killed Ariel's mother to get her out of the way while Ariel was still very young. Marina Del Ray could be trying to make triton fall in love with her so she could take over the kingdom. Ariel doesn't like Marina Del Ray all that much and could've grown to a pre-teen/early teen age without experiencing music at all. She could stumble upon the locket which then plays a song her mother used to sing to her while she was young, but she doesn't realize what that is. Upon hearing about a undergroung music club she goes to try to find out some answers. There she sees Sebastian, who is Tritons advisor, and blackmails him into tell her more about the locket and the song. Sebastian takes her to the grotto where Ariel's mother used to go away and hide to be alone and there she finds human music and musical instruments. She learns a lot about her mother in the grotto, and also becomes highly curious about humans. Meanwhile Triton and Marian Del Ray are making wedding plans. Some action can come in here when Ariel confronts Triton about her mother and how evil Marina is and how he can't marry her. Marina convinces Triton that Ariel is just a confused child so they start to go to the wedding. Marina holds Ariel back somehow (probably using sea witch evil magic or something like that), but Ariel escapes crashes the wedding and starts to sing the song that is in the locket. Triton realizes he made a mistake. Marina shows her real evil side and tries to kill Ariel and take over the kingdom. There's a huge battle scene. In the end Triton and Ariel win. I know that's not a whole lot and it's all fan-fiction, but it's a whole lot more interesting than what amazon.com makes it sound like and yet it also follows the guidlines of the description given.

P.S. Sorry if this post seems confusing but I hope you all get my point.

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

well this really sounds diferrent. Good point. I hope they follow this path...

[Siren]

If I were to write the TLM prequel, here is my gist on it:

Triton's wife is interested in humans. Not as much as Ariel. But still, she is intrigued by them. At the time, Ursula is living in the palace. Perhaps as an adviser or some other position of power. One day, she is killed, be it on purpose or by accident by humans. And how it happens is through Ursula. She wants power and how she can get it is through Triton. Initially she seeks to be his queen, and killing off his wife is her first step. But he discovers her plot and banishes her. This would obviously set Triton off to hate and fear humans as well. He tries to instill his feelings into his daughters and they all go with it, except the youngest. She was too young to understand what had happened.

The reason why I think Ursula originally wanted to marry Triton, I use the way she talks to him when he is shown the signed contract. She is very flirtatious with him. Its not simply making a demand, she is toying with him.

It just kills me how Ursula made a point of saying how when she was in the palace they had feasts and such. And they never touch on it again, how and why she was in the palace. And why she was banished. Yeah, we know in the movie she was a sea witch, but what was she before that? Adviser? Healer/doctor? Nursemaid? Cook?

[Sky Syndrome]

I wonder if Marina Del Ray is the reason why Evil Manta's got a son. I'm so eager to see what her design is. I hope she's in the trailer so I can see her sooner than the movie's release.

What position did Ursula have in the palace? She was Triton's daughters' personal jungle gym.

Kidding aside, I think she was the palace's healer/doctor. And might have given a singing performance once in a while. Dudley the turtle (from the TV series) may be Triton's advisor since it seemed Triton asked the turtle his opinion on this or that matter whenever they were together.

The Worse villain (and animation charcter togather with Jaqimo from the dumb Don Bluth's Thumbelina) is Hamsterviel.

Personally, I'd say Evil Martin from the nightmare The Secret of Nimh 2: Timmy to the Rescue belongs in that slot.

[disneyboy20022]

The Worse villain (and animation charcter togather with Jaqimo from the dumb Don Bluth's Thumbelina) is Hamsterviel.

Personally, I'd say Evil Martin from the nightmare The Secret of Nimh 2: Timmy to the Rescue belongs in that slot.

Actually I meant worst Disney Villain... although.... that would be a great thing for UD to do for fun.... or a fun Poll... Who is the worst never should have been created villain of all time...[/quote]

[Siren]

Worst villain, IMO, goes to the yodeling cowboy on Home on the Range. That was ridiculous and stupid.

[Disney Duster]

Cinderella III had a much better idea from the very start. "The stepmother uses the fairy godmother's wand to turn back time" vs. "King Triton outlaws music in his kingdom." People bashed Cinderella III's plot because it sounded ludicrous. People are now bashing The Little Mermaid III's plot because it sounds un-dramatic, more kiddy, and all too much like a story already used in a television episode.

Singerguy, that was very good. I just didn't like the end, too much like the first one where Ariel crashes another wedding. Actually I didn't like the whole "Marina marrying Triton" idea, but I loved the rest very much.

I think if they were to ignore Ursula, it would just be really...odd and really...dumb. And what about Jag and Pierre, those swordfish...me hopes they are Ursula's eels turned into swordfish as a disguise, and Marina really is Ursula in disguise...but then she'd probably be voiced by Pat Carroll to undersore that Ursula needs someone else's voice to sound like them, even though she really just needed Ariel's voice because that was the voice Eric fell in love with.

WOAH what if Sally Field does voice Ariel's mother, because then Ursula steals Athena's voice...to use to hypnotize Triton in the guise of Marina Del Ray?! Doubtful, he'd recognize his own wife's voice...

[Ariel'sprince]

Oh yeah, forgot about Sally Field. But still, casting a spell on the king to make him hate music.....Again, Disney stole from itself, that is the Evil Manta's deal. He didn't truly cast a spell, but what he did was the essentially for the same result.

Not really,The Evil Manta just talk to sea creatures and make them fight each other,he didn't really cast a spell on them but yeah,it is similar.
And your story is wonderful,singerguy04,i"m sure they will follow this path,it's sounds even better then Cinderella III.

[singerguy04]

Thank you Disney Duster and ariel'sprince. It was really just something i threw together in a few minutes, sometimes i wonder if i should try to get into writing, then i could write for disney...

Anyway, I have a little more faith in Disney that they wont make TLMIII into a disaster. In the very least it could fall into the ranks of Bambi II or something, which I wouldn't mind because I enjoyed Bambi II for the most part. I'm expecting some pretty good animation, considering where it's coming from, and a entertaining story. I'm not going to really pay attention to these plot descriptions because they aren't going to tell the whole story. Besides, I can't imagine having a huge downgrade after Cinderella III. Especially with a character as popular as Ariel.

[Ariel'sprince]

You're wellcome,singerguy04 i have faith in the movie,too.
And Siren-in Kingdom Hearts II they said that she helped people but then she decided to be a villain and later she tried to overthrow Triton and then he banished her.

[Siren]

Never played Kingdom Hearts II, but I want to

[Super Aurora]

Never played Kingdom Hearts II, but I want to

Don't bother. It's really bad. Disney characters kinda got shove aside and focus is on the angsty Org 13.

Square Enix can be such a prick sometimes

[Ariel'sprince]

Never played Kingdom Hearts II, but I want to

Don't bother. It's really bad. Disney characters kinda got shove aside and focus is on the angsty Org 13.

Square Enix can be such a prick sometimes

Agreed,they made all the male Disney stupit (Hercules who feels bad for himself,Simba who too scared to be king,Jack Skellington who think about nothing but deliver presents and Santa Clues and etc.) and the female Disney characters shows like they need to be rescued (Mulan gets rescued every 5 seconds,and that's incloding Jasmine,Belle,Nala,Ariel and etc.,in the 1st they didn't really show Snow White,Cinderella and Aurora so i can't really that they show them like they need to be rescued (Snow White think about The Prince and the dwarfs,Cinderella thinks about the power they got and Aurora is happy to see Malifecent dead)).
Some worlds and their stories are pretty lame (don't even get me started on Atlantica).

[xxhplinkxx]

Never played Kingdom Hearts II, but I want to

Don't bother. It's really bad. Disney characters kinda got shove aside and focus is on the angsty Org 13.

Square Enix can be such a prick sometimes

I disagree. I thought it was a great game. I couldnt put it down, I was hooked on the story and wanted to know what would happen with Sora and his friends. Plus, the epic battle with the 500 baddies, that was friggin awesome. I cant wait for KHIII.

[Disney's Divinity]

I disagree. I thought it was a great game. I couldnt put it down, I was hooked on the story and wanted to know what would happen with Sora and his friends. Plus, the epic battle with the 500 baddies, that was friggin awesome. I cant wait for KHIII.

Not to get too off-topic, but I have mixed feelings about the series myself. The first game, while flawed, was awesome--looking at my game files, I'd played it at least 80 times. It took great advantage of the Disney films (even if they could've been much better). I'm sure they didn't try nearly as hard because the game was a risk; nobody was sure if it'd sell. Chain of Memories, though mostly fluff, had an excellent storyline. I was excited about the Organization for the first time since they appeared in screenshots. Then, KH2 came. The biggest letdown I've ever had.

Getting back to TLM prequel, I'm sure that the film'll turn out decent even Ursula isn't there. Still, without her, it seems mostly fluff.

[jeremy88]

Yeah I think the first Kingdom Hearts became an instant classic for video games (almost if not on the same caliber as Mario, Zelda, Tomb Raider etc.)

While I liked the second one...the Disney worlds were kind of just randomly placed and didn't have that big of a role like they did in the first. They were just like random episodes. The second was fun to play though, lots of hack and slash, but the story was kinda meh...it had it's beautiful parts though. Also the worlds got A LOT smaller, they weren't as big and open. PLus...to be honest...it was EASY! The first KH was a challenge...the 2nd one not so much, maybe because I was used to the gameplay from the first...but still took a lot less time to beat lol.

So in the end Siren... YES I think you should play KH2, fun to play, not as good, in my opinion

ANYWAYS sorry I strayed away from the main topic...I like both singerguys and sirens ideas...I'm hoping with the idea of music involved its like singerguys since I don't think Ursula will appear.

Any Ideas on when we'll see a new trailer?? I'm guessing (hopefully) when 101 Dalmations comes out...but who knows...

It also seems that the wikipedia page for The Little Mermaid III has been scrapped.

[Ariel'sprince]

Don't bother. It's really bad. Disney characters kinda got shove aside and focus is on the angsty Org 13.

Square Enix can be such a prick sometimes

I disagree. I thought it was a great game. I couldnt put it down, I was hooked on the story and wanted to know what would happen with Sora and his friends. Plus, the epic battle with the 500 baddies, that was friggin awesome. I cant wait for KHIII.

Disagreee.
The story was lame,the stories of the worlds were just dumb,Sora was kinda annyoing (when he says "Who asked you?" and when a shut Jack Skellington up,i wanted to slap him).
In the first the story was amazing,each world had amazing story and i wanted more and more,but Kingdom Hearts II wasn't,and besides-the worlds was just mirror to the movies (i really felt that in Pride Land,Atlantica,Halloween Town and more,it's just like they copied the films insted of making new plots),the Heartless were forgetton and i felt they were thinking "let's get over with those cartoon and get back to anime guys allready".

[supertalies]

http://www.buddyhollywood.com/index.php ... &Itemid=56

A interview with jodi benson about Enchanted...
She names the little mermaid III, not much, but hey, it's info (sort of)

Parker: What’s up next for Jodi Benson?

Jodi: I’m pretty busy with concerts through the end of the year, and we are working on The Little Mermaid III, which comes out next year on DVD.

[Ariel'sprince]

This just in!:
You can now Pre-Order The Little Mermaid:Ariel's Begining in Disney Shopping website:
http://disneyshopping.go.com/webapp/wcs ... ryId=13930
There's also the logo that Aladdin From Agrbah posted (cheap Disney,couldn't they make a new logo?):

[UmbrellaFish]

I like the logo. Kinda mysterious, which I am begging this movie will be. The plot sounds a bit better, now that there's more meat on its bones. Still, I hope it can be pulled off.