Disney Debates: #3 Disney Princesses, long term damage?

[Prudence]

The only princess, or any protagonist really, that openly rebels their parent(s) is Ariel. Jasmine's slightly rebellious, but she never openly goes against her father's wishes (she didn't intend to run away from the palace, only visit the market). And, personally, I'm concerned that so many people (Disney fans or otherwise) automatically assume that rebelliousness is a negative attribute. Honestly, if noone ever rebelled against oppressive attitudes, then we wouldn't have personalities at all.

Agreed,for exmaple-my parents and family think differently from me and what that i"ll be something i"m not sometimes and i know i should be myself and not listen to them.

Nadav, that doesn't make a lick of sense. Don't try explaining. We all know what you meant.

To return to the main point, I agree and disagree. I prefer the original three princesses to the newer princesses, in part because the newer girls do strike me as needlessly discontent and rebellious. That's something that bothers me about modern culture as a whole. It seems that everyone under 30 years wants to rebel to some degree, with few exceptions. Those that are, ahm, old-fashioned stoics in any form have a lot to put up with.

Yes, this was a small piece of a tirade.

[Ariel'sprince]

Agreed,for exmaple-my parents and family think differently from me and what that i"ll be something i"m not sometimes and i know i should be myself and not listen to them.

Nadav, that doesn't make a lick of sense. Don't try explaining. We all know what you meant.

What?.
Anyway my point that people shouldn't listen to other people if they think it's worng.
And i prefer to be called as my user name.
Edit:Oh,sorry,i know what you mean,i"m sorry if i"m sounds dumb (did i mention that i"m tired?).

[Super Aurora]

Jasmine's slightly rebellious, but she never openly goes against her father's wishes; she didn't intend to run away from the palace, only visit the market.

Actually she did intend to run away. She said to Aladdin herself that she ran away and not coming back.

What made her came back to the palace, was the fact that Jafar had the guards arrest Aladdin.

[UmbrellaFish]

Personally, I think the question is rather, "Is the Disney Princess franchise long-term damage?", rather than, "Are the Disney Princesses Long-term Damage?". Making a good wholesome movie is not damage to a company. Making a good wholesome movie and turning in into a franchise with off-model pretty faces plastered on pink back-packs is damage. You can't say that Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle and Jasmine are damaging to Disney.


Unfortunately in the 90's when Disney started this franchise they also started the belief that Disney is for girls. I a straight male fan of Disney, but believe it or not, most people don't know what my favorite movie is. They do know that I "love" Disney, but they think I'm only a Mickey Mouse fanatic. Nope, I'm not! I like the princess films, and I also like the films that feature no or very minor roles of princesses. But because of this franchise, all Disney is to the public is a bunch of princesses and a mouse.


In my honest opinion Disney should lay off the princesses and start marketing the boys, but in edgier ways. Also, make the older films and shorts seem more classy rather than child-faire. Totally! Why is it I can find a million stylized Ariels but no stylized Aladdins. If Disney did that and make it seem "cool" to them, their next "Treasure Planet" might actually do well. And Disney films have so much history to them, it's a shame people look down upon them as "kiddy cartoons and movies". They're not!


I'm sorry but I've had to deal with people in my life who say Disney's for babies. That angers me. These people are my best friends, yet they can't appreciate these films that I love. It's not their fault really, it's Disney's marketing to girls rather than boys. I have very little Disney things in my room unless they're Mickey Mouse, mainly because most Disney merchandise is too kiddish for my tastes. I'm really excited for Enchanted and The Princess and the Frog because in all three golden ages, each started with a princess movie. But during that period people began to appreciate Disney more. I wasn't around for much of that.

[Marky_198]

Personally, I think the question is rather, "Is the Disney Princess franchise long-term damage?", rather than, "Are the Disney Princesses Long-term Damage?". Making a good wholesome movie is not damage to a company. Making a good wholesome movie and turning in into a franchise with off-model pretty faces plastered on pink back-packs is damage. You can't say that Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle and Jasmine are damaging to Disney.


Unfortunately in the 90's when Disney started this franchise they also started the belief that Disney is for girls. I a straight male fan of Disney, but believe it or not, most people don't know what my favorite movie is. They do know that I "love" Disney, but they think I'm only a Mickey Mouse fanatic. Nope, I'm not! I like the princess films, and I also like the films that feature no or very minor roles of princesses. But because of this franchise, all Disney is to the public is a bunch of princesses and a mouse.


In my honest opinion Disney should lay off the princesses and start marketing the boys, but in edgier ways. Also, make the older films and shorts seem more classy rather than child-faire. Totally! Why is it I can find a million stylized Ariels but no stylized Aladdins. If Disney did that and make it seem "cool" to them, their next "Treasure Planet" might actually do well. And Disney films have so much history to them, it's a shame people look down upon them as "kiddy cartoons and movies". They're not!


I'm sorry but I've had to deal with people in my life who say Disney's for babies. That angers me. These people are my best friends, yet they can't appreciate these films that I love. It's not their fault really, it's Disney's marketing to girls rather than boys. I have very little Disney things in my room unless they're Mickey Mouse, mainly because most Disney merchandise is too kiddish for my tastes. I'm really excited for Enchanted and The Princess and the Frog because in all three golden ages, each started with a princess movie. But during that period people began to appreciate Disney more. I wasn't around for much of that.

You are so right!
I agree.

The (princess) classics should be treated much classier, like the masterpieces they are. I can't believe how the company is presenting them with all the pink girly franchise.

People around me react just like that. Disney? That's for little girls.
Personally I see the classics as masterpieces, artwork, great stories, life lessons, true beauty, wonderful musical scores, and find some of them not suitable for kids at all. I think people need to be a bit older and mentally better developed to understand the movies.

But, you can't blame them, Disney chooses to present them that way.

Like Walt says at the end of the "Making of Snowwhite" documentary;

Disney is NOT for kids.
Not just for adults either.
It's for anyone who understands life and anyone that hasn't lost that small unspoiled place deep inside.

Or something like that

I was watching scenes of some older classic the other day, and my mother came in and watched some scenes. She said; "I can't believe how mature everything looks, so detailed and some scenes or things that happen in the story are so haunting or romantic. I loved the movies years ago but I thought I must have liked them because I was younger then, and all you see today is the pink bracelets with Cinderella on it in stores.
I really need to adjust my view on Disney".
And I think that's EXACTLY what the world needs to do too.

[purin]

I think they're definitely damaging their own image. There's a lot more to the princesses and their movies than the masses of plastic things with the SAME pictures of the Disney Princess (can't they draw new ones?) stuck on them would lead a person to believe.

It's not just encouraging that only girls can appreciate them, but that everything having to do with them is shallow, cheap, and something to outgrow.

I guess it's kind of like the cheapening of Barbie, and of the doll in general.

[Ariel'sprince]

UmbrellaFish-agree and a little disagree.
Yes,i agree,this franchise is damaging Disney and all people can see about the Princesses is something for little girls like Barbie and that's becouse of all of those barcelets with Belle,Cinderella or Aurora on them with pictures of them play dress up.
People think worng things about the Princesses,for example-my cousion (she'll be 5 years old in January) buy some Ariel stuff (becouse of me,i think) but she (and other little girls,i think all little girls) don't think it's a story about someone who gave up on everything for loves and her dreams,she think it's a "Beautiful little mermaid that play dress up all day with her stupit little fishes" like some Barbie and it's worng,and yes,it's Disney's fault that people think it's for little girls.
People allways thought that "Disney is for babies" or "Disney is childish" or more childish and stupit opinions like this (and of course,they think it's worse to love the Princeses's films becouse "Sleeping Beauty\Beauty and the Beast\Pocahontas is for girls") but that's people's fault,actually,not Disney.
Those people think or that animation is something that was made only for small children or that they think that the new movies (Madagscar,Ice Age and so on) are for adults,too,and they are worng,there's nothing childish about animation and those people like to watch insted stupit movies like Amrican Pie becouse that's "grown up" and it's the stupitest thing to say that the new films are more grown up then Disney,Disney are amazing,mature and were a hard work and there's nothing childish about them unlike the new films with boring plots and childish stupit jokes.
Disney never said that only small children like Disney (unlike the Princess franchise),people are just saying that becouse they think they are smart and arn't,if that what they think then they stupit and childish,in fact-they do like National Treasure or Pirates Of The Caribbean but they don't know that they are Disney films.
Anyway Disney is for everyone and anyone can love the Princesses which arn't a Barbie for little girls.
Again-it's Disney's fault that people think that Disney Princess films are for little girls but it's people's fault that they think it's for small children only.

[BelleGirl]

But I thought there was also a franchise for 'Disney heroes'? I at least have seen some merchandise of this type.

Problem is perhaps the lack of appealing human male heroes, though I must say Disney has made some progress with them in the nineties. I find Tarzan especially appealing. But mabey it is because I'm a girl

[Ariel'sprince]

But I thought there was also a franchise for 'Disney heroes'? I at least have seen some merchandise of this type.

Problem is perhaps the lack of appealing human male heroes, though I must say Disney has made some progress with them in the nineties. I find Tarzan especially appealing. But mabey it is because I'm a girl

I guess it's underrated franchise and it has a few male characters(characters,not heroes):
Hercules.
Shang.
Arthur.
Philip.
Aladdin.
Peter Pan.
Robin Hood.
And the point is that they shouldn't franchise Ariel,Pocahontas or Aurora as characters for little girls,not that they should franchise for boys,it will be even worse for girls who love Hercules and Peter Pan.

[purin]

Again-it's Disney's fault that people think that Disney Princess films are for little girls but it's people's fault that they think it's for small children only.

Well, the princesses are for all ages, but a good portion of the merchandise isn't. It's pretty easy to outgrow a lot of what bears their faces.

[Ariel'sprince]

Again-it's Disney's fault that people think that Disney Princess films are for little girls but it's people's fault that they think it's for small children only.

Well, the princesses are for all ages, but a good portion of the merchandise isn't. It's pretty easy to outgrow a lot of what bears their faces.

The Princesses are for all ages,people think that becouse of the marchandise.
But anyway i do ignore people and buy Disney marchandise but still.