Disney Princess Enchanted Tales: Follow Your Dreams DVD

[Disney Villain]

I honestly don't know whether to feel sorry for them or have a social worker sent to their house

This didn't indicate that the Princess DVD itself was child abuse, but that the parents who bought it for the kids were abusing their children, which is an insult to Disney Villain's relatives who did buy it. Or, it indicated that for children to enjoy the DVD, there must be something wrong with them, and that is another insult to Disney Villain's relatives. That's horrible, and I hope you didn't intend it that way (I'm guessing you actually didn't).

Thank You Disney Duster, you hit the nail on the head. THAT is why I am upset. Ichabod, that is what I thought while reading your message. For the past several days I've taken a break from this forum, after being disgusted by some of the members here. I've been told over and over by members and mods that "oh Ichabod didn't mean it the way you thought, he was just being sarcastic as usual". I was even told to "take a breather", because I was "blowing things out of proportion". Well I am disgusted. I am being treated like the villain here; because I judged Ichabod too harshly...after all he was only being "sarcastic as usual". BULL!!! If that were the case then Ichabod would have told me , after I posted my disgust originally, that he was only being sarcastic, or didn't mean it the way I thought. He didn't...which leads me to believe that he meant those words as I implied them!! Something has to be done I WAS PERSONALLY ATTACKED, and no one seems to care. I love this form. I have great respect for Luke and the other mods. I love the members here, we have some great conversations, but this really pushed me over the edge. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. I feel that Ichabod is being treated differently because of his veteran status. If some other member who was new and also known for being sarcastic, said that to me, and I reported it to Luke, that member would be warned. This is insane and I won't stand for it further!!!

Now I started this thread about two years ago, in an attempt to discuss Disney Princess Enchanted Tales. I don't want this thread to continue as a huge fight. So I’m done speaking. If mods want to hear from me, please send me a PM.

Proof of the nonsense upon which this thread was founded.

This thread is NOT nonsense. We are discussing a Disney title on a Disney forum...wow surprise, surprise!!! You’re entitled to your opinion, and so are we. Don't bash every single thing we say. You voiced your opinion numerous times. We get it, you hate Enchanted Tales and think its crap…why do we buy it, oh why?

Now don't say we are being contradictory about the animation. I can't speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself. What I meant in my original post was that with the time, and money they had, Disney put effort into this. The animation was much better than expected. I know allot about animation. I used to study animation in High School, and I study and compare each Disney film.

P.S. - Lasseter can shove it!

Yes he can!!! That's the best thing I've read all day!!!!

[PeterPanfan]

Sorry to turn this into a "light" comment but...

Yay! Disney Villian is back!

[Escapay]

Oh, Escapay, well, then I feel a lot better now.

I never like it if someone feels angry towards my siggy.

Anyway, to elaborate on WIST for future benefit, nowadays I choose them simply on how humorous I think a line is, and it hardly ever reflects on the context that the line was used. For example, I hardly think Hunchback of Notre Dame's music is sexy (I lean more towards erotic , it's a better word than sexy and sounds so much more naughty!), but the line was hilarious regardless. Thus, ichabod's cross-dressing wig-wearing husband line was humorous because of the thought of a cross-dressing wig-wearing husband was hilarious, and not necessarily that I felt DPET was trash. Who knows, maybe beyond the 7 minutes and 19 seconds I saw, there actually could be something that I'll find worth watching one of these days.

If you fall within the latter, stop lying to yourself and make it a point to learn a thing or two about animation from such UD posters as ichabod, Wonderlicious, 2099net, Loomis, Escapay, Lars, Aaron and Luke, and if you can afford, buy a few books on the subject and read (personally, I have yet to do this. Stupid ... I know.)

Hello class, welcome to Animation 107. I'm your professor, Albert "Escapay" Gutierrez. Today, we'll learn about the underrated 2005 film, Chicken Little. Now, everyone, repeat after me:

Chicken Little is a good film. It is a tribute and homage to classic Disney style (squash and stretch) while also being a self-referential parody of the overindulgence of CGI in films by movie studios. These subtle nuances are cleverly hidden beneath an intricate and engaging tale that to naked eyes and one-track thinking would appear to only be a tired retread and imitation of earlier and more successful films. The humor and "pop culture references" serve as character traits and again, a part of the meta-fictional satire towards other CGI films, while also being damn good funny stuff.

Look,just becouse you don't like it dosn't mean people who liked don't know anything about animation!

Also, just because someone doesn't like it doesn't mean they know about animation either. I mean, there could be a Joe Bob Johnson who watches this, thinks, "this sucks!" and goes to watch a movie like Happily Ever After instead, which has really substandard animation. Now, would we really want a Joe Bob Johnson to come and tell us "DPET sucks because it has lousy animation, watch Happily Ever After instead!"?

Gotta confess, though, that I personally am fond of Happily Ever After and look beyond the limited animation and hokey story and enjoy it for the fun little post-fairy-tale-ending story that it is.

Anyway, there's bound to be countless opinions on the merits of "good" animation versus "bad" animation. It'd be arrogant of anyone to think that just because *they* think it's good or bad, that it really is. What they're confusing with good and bad animation is appealing and not-appealing animation. DPET could be the most spectacularly animated project ever done in the history of film, and there will still be haters for a lot of other factors. Or, it could be the simplest and most basic style of animation that hardly merits a gold star, and adoring fans will just relish over it.

To use a tired example, I really enjoy the animation in Treasure Planet, because it features some of the most breathtaking sequences ever set to film and is a unique and near-seamless blend of 2D and CGI. Someone else, though, may say that they don't like the "look" of CGI mixing with 2D, and that it isn't the most appealing style for them to watch. So who's in the wrong and who's in the right? There's two conflicting opinions about the animation, but both with valid points.

Scaps

[Disney Villain]

Sorry to turn this into a "light" comment but...

Yay! Disney Villian is back!

Thank You,PeterPanfan, I really appreciate the warm welcome back

[Jules]

Well I'm glad someone actually took notice of my post (thanks Escapay! ... and well, Ariel's Prince, even though your reply didn't entirely make sense). And I'm glad Escapay actually read what I typed down on my newly purchased Dell keyboard, and communicated his, well, valid point - which is complementary to mine. But of course, not many people will read Albert's excellent post, because it will probably not be what they want to hear.

And finally ... I wasn't calling anyone ignorant. I said I wasn't pointing my fingers at anyone! And on top of that, I admitted that I consider myself to have lots more to learn in the field of animation. Can I get more honest than that?

Now if there are people who were offended and think I am arrogant, they should seriously either get their eyesight checked or make sure they can read.

[Prudence]

As has already been mentioned, there is simply too much mindless worshiping and outright hatred. And you know, I'm probably going to be flamed for this, but there seems to be a bit of a bias against certain types of fans. I have not said and never will say, "OMG this rox!!! Cinderella 3 es mai favrite movie111!!!" It hurts to type like that. But yes, there does seem to be a bias against certain fans. I suppose I consider myself borderline. I'm a Cinderellaholic, but not a mindless one. I'm not Disney Princess crazy, just Cinderella crazy. I despise tyPin' leik tehs. I think we're all entitled to our own damn opinions, and that we might as well be yelling out, "That sweater is so ugly! How can you stand wearing that sweater?!" and, "This sweater is comfortable! Quit being so meaaaaan!"

[Ariel'sprince]

This didn't indicate that the Princess DVD itself was child abuse, but that the parents who bought it for the kids were abusing their children, which is an insult to Disney Villain's relatives who did buy it. Or, it indicated that for children to enjoy the DVD, there must be something wrong with them, and that is another insult to Disney Villain's relatives. That's horrible, and I hope you didn't intend it that way (I'm guessing you actually didn't).

Thank You Disney Duster, you hit the nail on the head. THAT is why I am upset. Ichabod, that is what I thought while reading your message. For the past several days I've taken a break from this forum, after being disgusted by some of the members here. I've been told over and over by members and mods that "oh Ichabod didn't mean it the way you thought, he was just being sarcastic as usual". I was even told to "take a breather", because I was "blowing things out of proportion". Well I am disgusted. I am being treated like the villain here; because I judged Ichabod too harshly...after all he was only being "sarcastic as usual". BULL!!! If that were the case then Ichabod would have told me , after I posted my disgust originally, that he was only being sarcastic, or didn't mean it the way I thought. He didn't...which leads me to believe that he meant those words as I implied them!! Something has to be done I WAS PERSONALLY ATTACKED, and no one seems to care. I love this form. I have great respect for Luke and the other mods. I love the members here, we have some great conversations, but this really pushed me over the edge. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. I feel that Ichabod is being treated differently because of his veteran status. If some other member who was new and also known for being sarcastic, said that to me, and I reported it to Luke, that member would be warned. This is insane and I won't stand for it further!!!

Now I started this thread about two years ago, in an attempt to discuss Disney Princess Enchanted Tales. I don't want this thread to continue as a huge fight. So I’m done speaking. If mods want to hear from me, please send me a PM.

Proof of the nonsense upon which this thread was founded.

This thread is NOT nonsense. We are discussing a Disney title on a Disney forum...wow surprise, surprise!!! You’re entitled to your opinion, and so are we. Don't bash every single thing we say. You voiced your opinion numerous times. We get it, you hate Enchanted Tales and think its crap…why do we buy it, oh why?

Now don't say we are being contradictory about the animation. I can't speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself. What I meant in my original post was that with the time, and money they had, Disney put effort into this. The animation was much better than expected. I know allot about animation. I used to study animation in High School, and I study and compare each Disney film.

P.S. - Lasseter can shove it!

Yes he can!!! That's the best thing I've read all day!!!!

Agreed and i"m glad you'tr back (are you waiting for Enchanted,too?).
I think this should stop,Ichabod-you don't like it? fine,but don't say that anyone that likes it dosn't understand anything about animation.
and Escapay-this is an opnion,i think that some animation is better then other animation so i think this should stop.

[Jules]

I think this should stop,Ichabod-you don't like it? fine,but don't say that anyone that likes it dosn't understand anything about animation.

*sigh*

Firstly, it was me, not ichabod, who said that. The old chap already has a lot on his plate, what with all the philosophy surrounding Disney Princess Enchanted Tales, which he must contemplate. That said, I think he can do without being accused of stuff he never said in the first place.

Secondly ... are you even bothering to read my posts!? I will not re-explain what I meant when I argued about some people's ignorance in the art of animation. Just scroll up and read my previous posts. The answers are all there.


Finally, I think you need to give the UD forum posting guidelines a glance.

[Escapay]

give the UD forum posting guidelines a glance.

Maybe that's the problem. A glance is far too brief.

Scaps

[CJ]

I think everyone needs to calm down a bit before things start getting out of hand. A lot of you are taking criticisms toward this dvd way too personally. If you think the film was fantastic, that's fine. If you think the film was crap, that's fine too. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just as everyone is welcome to express that opinion in this thread.

Now I don't care for the Sleeping Beauty segment, I thought the story was weak and I didn't care for her songs. However, I can accept the fact that some of you may love that segment despite the weak story. You are entitled to like or dislike anything you choose. That is your choice. Just because the majority feels that is the weaker segment, it doesn't mean you have to dislike it too. However, no-one will be able to convince me that it was not a weak story.

Moving on, I did like the Jasmine segment. Does that mean I don't recognize the fact that the animation is off in parts of it? No. Does the off animation mean I have to like it less? No, but it doesn't mean I have to make excuses for the animation to justify my liking the segment. I know there were time constrains and a low budget, but that does not change the fact that the animation is off in some parts. Could the film makers have done worse? Yup, but on the same token, they could have done better too. In the end, does that change the way I feel toward the segment? No, I can enjoy this segment despite it's shortcomings.

[Escapay]

I think everyone needs to calm down a bit before things start getting out of hand.

Where were you two pages ago?!?

I kid, I kid. Of course, that's all I ever really do these days. That and Track.

Scaps

[CJ]

Where were you two pages ago?!?

I kid, I kid. Of course, that's all I ever really do these days. That and Track.

I was watching my DPET dvd and blissfully ignoring this thread, of course. That and merging duplicate threads the Tracker dug up links for, he sure keeps me busy these days.

[ichabod]

If that were the case then Ichabod would have told me , after I posted my disgust originally, that he was only being sarcastic

And what do you think

You've actually broken down into tears because I jovially suggest Exposure to Disney Princess Tales is akin to child abuse?

means?

This thread is NOT nonsense. We are discussing a Disney title on a Disney forum...wow surprise, surprise!!!

Have you actually read some of the comments about this title? If so could you please explain to me how someone can say that Jasmine was constantly off model through the entire segment and yet in the same the sentence state how wonderful the animation is?

Gotta confess, though, that I personally am fond of Happily Ever After and look beyond the limited animation and hokey story and enjoy it for the fun little post-fairy-tale-ending story that it is.

Precisely, you can enjoy yet still acknowledge the crappiness.

Or, it could be the simplest and most basic style of animation that hardly merits a gold star, and adoring fans will just relish over it.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

That said, I think he can do without being accused of stuff he never said in the first place.

I told you no good would come of you pinching my avatars!

Secondly ... are you even bothering to read my posts!?

and

Maybe that's the problem. A glance is far too brief

I think my and other posts are just being skimmed so that the general crux of our argument is being picked up without listening to reason. This is not about liking/not liking Disney Princess Enchanted Tales, this is about common sense. There are claims which are ridiculous and nonsensical which defy logic.

If you claim the animation in the jasmine segment is "amazing", well compared to what? Similarly what word do you then use to describe the animation of Tarzan, Fantasia, The Hunchback of Notre Dame or Pinocchio?

If you claim the Aurora segment has a wonderful story, well compared to what? What word would you use to describe a classic novel?

I think everyone needs to calm down a bit before things start getting out of hand. A lot of you are taking criticisms toward this dvd way too personally. If you think the film was fantastic, that's fine. If you think the film was crap, that's fine too. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just as everyone is welcome to express that opinion in this thread.

Now I don't care for the Sleeping Beauty segment, I thought the story was weak and I didn't care for her songs. However, I can accept the fact that some of you may love that segment despite the weak story. You are entitled to like or dislike anything you choose. That is your choice. Just because the majority feels that is the weaker segment, it doesn't mean you have to dislike it too. However, no-one will be able to convince me that it was not a weak story.

Moving on, I did like the Jasmine segment. Does that mean I don't recognize the fact that the animation is off in parts of it? No. Does the off animation mean I have to like it less? No, but it doesn't mean I have to make excuses for the animation to justify my liking the segment. I know there were time constrains and a low budget, but that does not change the fact that the animation is off in some parts. Could the film makers have done worse? Yup, but on the same token, they could have done better too. In the end, does that change the way I feel toward the segment? No, I can enjoy this segment despite it's shortcomings.

Your post makes perfect sense, you express your liking but you also recognise the fact and logic. Youmake sense. You are able to enjoy Disney Princess Enchanted Tales, but as your post shows you also recognise it's shortcomings.

I've already said all this but it's clear as Julian Carter pointed out no one is bothering to read anything slightly to the detriment of the princesses.

We all like things which are crap/weak/rubbish and that's what's annoying me here, it's not about liking/not liking DPET it's the nonsense that it has an amazing/wonderful/brilliant/life changing story/backgrounds/animation/voice work etc. When quite clearly it doesn't.

There's having an opinion, and then there is just p***ing into the wind of logic.

[Super Aurora]

I come back here and I find a massive load of internet drama. I literally LOL'd.

Disney Princess is Serious Business


But seriously, Ichabod Crane after almost having his head cut off', brings up a pretty strong point even if bit......harsh, I may say.


So to calm you all down, here's a cute picture of a bunny.

[blackcauldron85]

So to calm you all down, here's a cute picture of a bunny.

Or, a cute picture of a red X.

[Ariel'sprince]

Allright let's change the subjact:
What Princesses whould you like to see in volume 3 since we allready know which ones will be in volume 2? i think it's Pocahontas and Belle (even not in volume 3),i think it's the best for them to be togather (since if it's different worlds-Pocahontas can't be nither with Ariel or Snow White).
I whould like to see Ariel and Snow White in volume 4.
When do you think volume 2 will be out?.

[Disney Villain]

Allright let's change the subjact:
What Princesses whould you like to see in volume 3 since we allready know which ones will be in volume 2? i think it's Pocahontas and Belle (even not in volume 3),i think it's the best for them to be togather (since if it's different worlds-Pocahontas can't be nither with Ariel or Snow White).
I whould like to see Ariel and Snow White in volume 4.
When do you think volume 2 will be out?.

I feel that Disney is trying to pair off popular princesses with not-so-popular princesses, while at the same time making things politically correct. For example Volume One had Aurora, your stereotypical "white" female, with Jasmine. In Volume Two you have another traditionally "white" princess, Cinderella paired with Mulan. Due to these assumptions, here is my idea of the future Enchanted Tales DVD's:

Jasmine and Aurora
- Totally different in appearance and worlds

Cinderella and Mulan
- Totally different in appearance and worlds

Ariel and Snow White
- An extremely popular princess with a not –so-popular one

Belle and Pocahontas
- Totally different in appearance and worlds

I think that each Princess will have two stories in the Enchanted Tales series. As of now there are only eight princesses (that Disney markets). So if each are paired together on a DVD, that's only four DVD's. There will most likely be two stories, or more, for each princess. I doubt Disney is only going to sell 4 DVD's, and we already know that Aurora has another story.

[Ariel'sprince]

Allright let's change the subjact:
What Princesses whould you like to see in volume 3 since we allready know which ones will be in volume 2? i think it's Pocahontas and Belle (even not in volume 3),i think it's the best for them to be togather (since if it's different worlds-Pocahontas can't be nither with Ariel or Snow White).
I whould like to see Ariel and Snow White in volume 4.
When do you think volume 2 will be out?.

I feel that Disney is trying to pair off popular princesses with not-so-popular princesses, while at the same time making things politically correct. For example Volume One had Aurora, your stereotypical "white" female, with Jasmine. In Volume Two you have another traditionally "white" princess, Cinderella paired with Mulan. Due to these assumptions, here is my idea of the future Enchanted Tales DVD's:

Jasmine and Aurora
- Totally different in appearance and worlds

Cinderella and Mulan
- Totally different in appearance and worlds

Ariel and Snow White
- An extremely popular princess with a not –so-popular one

Belle and Pocahontas
- Totally different in appearance and worlds

I think that each Princess will have two stories in the Enchanted Tales series. As of now there are only eight princesses (that Disney markets). So if each are paired together on a DVD, that's only four DVD's. There will most likely be two stories, or more, for each princess. I doubt Disney is only going to sell 4 DVD's, and we already know that Aurora has another story.

Hmmm,that Aurora story was deleted,it's not a Kingdom Of Kindness anymore,also-why they should make that Aurora story if Cinderella will get the same story?.
and that i think and make sense but i prefer Ariel and Snow White in volume 4.

[ichabod]

Allright let's change the subjact:
What Princesses whould you like to see in volume 3 since we allready know which ones will be in volume 2?

I vote for Princess Kida and Princess Eilonwy.

[Disney Villain]

Hmmm,that Aurora story was deleted,it's not a Kingdom Of Kindness anymore,also-why they should make that Aurora story if Cinderella will get the same story?.
and that i think and make sense but i prefer Ariel and Snow White in volume 4.

The second Aurora story was not cancelled, after all it was Fully Animated, and that had to cost money. The new Cinderella story did not replace Aurora's story. Aurora's other story was about KINDNESS, Cinderella's story will be about HONESTY. So far, what we know of the Cinderella story is that she's planning some sort of banquet for Prince Charming, and that the story will deal with the theme of HONESTY. The other Aurora story, was about Aurora, planning a birthday party for Prince Phillip, but the fairies kept intervening. Aurora did not want them to help, but she didn’t know how to tell them to stop helping without hurting their feelings. That was about KINDNESS. No story was replaced. Certain elements, like throwing a party, may be the same, but the stories are entirely different. Aurora’s other story will focus on KINDNESS, where Cinderella’s story will focus on HONESTY. Nothing was replaced.