Plus-Sized Disney Princess?

[UncleEd]

Here's a good what if. What if there was a full-figured Disney Princess? Do you think we'll ever see one now that they have all the races covered? And before anyone starts in that I'm proposing a fat princess, I'm not saying that. Full-figured simply means not skinny and not fat. Lots of classical paintings feature women like this and you can see some attractive ones in your weekly sales flyer. Do you think Disney would ever make a princess with curves? And while we're at it, what about a genuinely petite princess like how Aladdin was originally going to be a little guy? It seems that all the Disney princesses are about the same size and having a fuller and tinier one in the mix would add some more diversity to the designs.

I always find it funny that the Disney Princesses never seem to change even after they get married. Most people thicken up after they get married but a Disney Princess looks just as she does before she even met her prince charming...and even after having a child or two and aging over 10 years. I bet many a wife envies those princesses.

[Ariel'sprince]

I don't like it,The Frog and the Princess was made only becouse people wanted a black princess,just becouse the Princesses arn't black dosn't mean it racist or something,i think it's worng,what's next? the first blind princess? the first jewish princess? the first gypsy princess? the first lesbian princess? no,Cinderella sang that every can be a princess in a princess album,Jasmine is arabian,Pocahontas is native amrican and Mulan is chines.

[pap64]

I don't like it,The Frog and the Princess was made only becouse people wanted a black princess,just becouse the Princesses arn't black dosn't mean it racist or something,i think it's worng,what's next? the first blind princess? the first jewish princess? the first gypsy princess? the first lesbian princess? no,Cinderella sang that every can be a princess in a princess album,Jasmine is arabian,Pocahontas is native amrican and Mulan is chines.

I do agree that characters shouldn't be created just to be PC and please the audience, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't experiment with their characters.

I've always wanted to create a Latina/Hispanic princess, a beautiful character that embodies the life and spirit of the Latino community. Again, I don't want create her to be PC, I want to create her just so she can shine alongside the established cast.

I love the idea of a full figured princess. It would show that no matter how you look a princess can be beautiful both on the outside and on the inside.

[Ariel'sprince]

I don't like it,The Frog and the Princess was made only becouse people wanted a black princess,just becouse the Princesses arn't black dosn't mean it racist or something,i think it's worng,what's next? the first blind princess? the first jewish princess? the first gypsy princess? the first lesbian princess? no,Cinderella sang that every can be a princess in a princess album,Jasmine is arabian,Pocahontas is native amrican and Mulan is chines.

I do agree that characters shouldn't be created just to be PC and please the audience, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't experiment with their characters.

I've always wanted to create a Latina/Hispanic princess, a beautiful character that embodies the life and spirit of the Latino community. Again, I don't want create her to be PC, I want to create her just so she can shine alongside the established cast.

I love the idea of a full figured princess. It would show that no matter how you look a princess can be beautiful both on the outside and on the inside.

Well,it's good to show a different Princess but i think it's worng to do it just to please audience.
those ideas of princess sounds nice i allways wanted a jewish princess (it make me mad when i see the princesses celebrate christmas).

[Disney's Divinity]

Well, the entire movie wouldn't revolve around the princess being full-figured anyway. It's just a different design that should, I think, have seen the light by now. Disney can only rely on hair and dress color to differentiate between their princesses for so long.

Judging by the films themselves though (not the merchandise), the princesses do vary in size. Not to a great extent, but they still do. Cinderella and Snow White are easily the plumpest, though by no means overweight. They both look beautiful but, at the same time, rather average. Aurora is easily the most typical of the princesses (probably followed by Jasmine), what with her distinctly hourglass shape. Ariel, though thin, isn't necessarily an hourglass. She has big hips, but the rest of her's pretty straight-forward. Again, I don't find her abnormally thin, she merely has an athletic build common for her body type (which, no doubt, has to do with swimming non-stop). As for Belle, she, like Cinderella and Snow White, has the beautiful-but-average look. The movie stresses her personality, I think, moreso than her physical beauty.

And I really don't think The Princess and the Frog (horrible title, btw) revolves around the characters being black either. The fact that they're black has basically nothing to do with the narrative as far as I know. Just like Ariel being white didn't affect her dreams to be human or Jasmine being Arabian didn't affect her need to be recognized as independent. So, honestly, you can't call it being PC.

[Ariel'sprince]

And I really don't think The Princess and the Frog (horrible title, btw) revolves around the characters being black anyway. The fact that they're black has basically nothing to do with the narrative as far as I know. Just like Ariel being white didn't affect her dreams to be human or Jasmine being Arabian didn't affect her need to be recognized as independent. So, honestly, you can't call it being PC.

It is (and it is a horrible title),didn't you noticed that every website is more talking about the fact that the princess is black then the film itself? this is a PC (what PC means BTW?).

[Disney's Divinity]

It is (and it is a horrible title),didn't you noticed that every website is more talking about the fact that the princess is black then the film itself? this is a PC (what PC means BTW?).

PC = Politically Correct

And the fact that the movie is planned to feature the first black princess is publicity for Disney. It doesn't necessarily mean the entire concept of the film was based on: "We need a black princess!"

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

Well,it's good to show a different Princess but i think it's worng to do it just to please audience.
those ideas of princess sounds nice i allways wanted a jewish princess (it make me mad when i see the princesses celebrate christmas).

Why does it make you mad? Okay Jasmine is not Christian but Belle, Cinderella, Aurora, SnowWhite and Ariel could be! I mean Ariel as a human, at least. They all are supposed to come from European societies and if they were to be given a religion that would be Christianity, most likely. Also don't forget that Christmas is not a celebration just for christians any more, they made it now more like the celebration of compassion, of giving, loving and caring for each other. (That, as a Christian makes me mad. Because that was done for the MONEY and the stuffed Santas, NOT for the unity af all human races and religious groups. They tried to "sell" Christmas everywhere as sthing that has nothing to do with Christianity any more. I mean for goodnes sake, even in Japan they celebrate Christmas nowadays!)
As for the jewish princess, I think there is one, just not Disney. Tzipporah from DreamWorks' "The Prince of Egypt" is jewish I think. And she's one of my favourite cartoon characters, I think she's great!
There is also Chel from DreamWorks "The Road to El Dorado" who could be considered as latina, as the movie takes place in Latin America. And boy, she's got CURVES no kidding! Nothing like the stereotypical Disney leading lady.
So there you go, guys! There's not just Disney out there, you know!

[toonaspie]

People, seriously calm down!

Disney is striving to tell good stories not maintain political correctness. Can you really blame Disney for the fact that most adaptable Disney stories are coming from European fairytales? or the fact that Disney tries to stay true to those stories in matters of culture?

This was my one big beef with The Princess and the Frog from the start. It's a film made soley for political correctness! I honestly blame the princess franchise for all of this mess. Is it any more obvious that this movie is being made to gain profit from an African American audience instead of telling a good story? And just as I expected, Disney has already made changes to the film due to "political correctness" complaints.

I know it's wrong for me to judge this film because it wont be out yet for another 2 years. But you run into really bad issues when you want to make a film set in some sort of culture without a story to back it up. The original Frog Princess story sounds like a mess of a story for a Disney adaptation. I think theyre pushing Clemens and Musker too much for a second Rennaisance that's bound to run into problems.

The basic solutions for this mess wouldve been to put African American staff on the story (I know that a bit too...err...but you will probably get less complaints about things like "Princess Maddy" and "chambermaid" being racist). From there some good original or adapted stories are bound to come up.

Also as far as plus size princesses girl, what about Nani from Lilo and Stitch? I know she is not a princess but she is a likable big-muscled female character that couldve easily been one.

[Ariel'sprince]

Well,it's good to show a different Princess but i think it's worng to do it just to please audience.
those ideas of princess sounds nice i allways wanted a jewish princess (it make me mad when i see the princesses celebrate christmas).

Why does it make you mad? Okay Jasmine is not Christian but Belle, Cinderella, Aurora, SnowWhite and Ariel could be! I mean Ariel as a human, at least.

Becouse how can Jasmine,Pocahontas and Mulan celebrate Chrsitmas? Jasmine is arabian,Mulan is from China and Pocahontas in Native Amrican.
who said that Snow White,Ariel and Cinderella are Christian? Ariel is not since she's a mermaid! (and when she's human-who said it's europe?) okay,Belle is franch so she can celebeate,Aurora has Christian flags all over her castle but who said that Snow White,Ariel and Cinderella are Christian?.
and about the girls you mention-
i hate Prince Of Egypt and i defentily dosn't count her as a princess.
Chel-i like The Road To El Dorado but she's acting a little bit slutish.
and i don't cound girls from other movies as princesses,only Disney Princesses.

[Ariel'sprince]

I honestly blame the princess franchise for all of this mess

It is,but without the franchise we whould have seen films like The Wild or Chicken Little insted of Enchanted,The Frog and the Princess and Rapunzle.
i think The Frog and the Princess is a PC becouse everyone talking about the fact that the Princess is black then the fact that Disney are back to 2-D animation.

[Super Aurora]

who said that Snow White,Ariel and Cinderella are Christian?

Snow White comes from Germany. That's pretty much obvious. Ariel Once She become human, married Denmark Prince of 1800's. A Christian right there. Cinderella only one from fictional land, though probably have some similar related christian belief anyway.

Ariel is not since she's a mermaid! (and when she's human-who said it's europe?)

read above

okay,Belle is franch so she can celebeate,Aurora has Christian flags all over her castle but who said that Snow White,Ariel and Cinderella are Christian?.

Plus with Aurora, in the movie, King Stephen was even talking about "Palace of Rome". Again read above what I said for those three.

and about the girls you mention-
i hate Prince Of Egypt and i defentily dosn't count her as a princess.

Tzipporah sure isn't a princess but the movie sure isn't horrible like you address as. In fact I like Prince of Egypt more than majority of the Disney movie out there.

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

Becouse how can Jasmine,Pocahontas and Mulan celebrate Chrsitmas? Jasmine is arabian,Mulan is from China and Pocahontas in Native Amrican.
who said that Snow White,Ariel and Cinderella are Christian? Ariel is not since she's a mermaid! (and when she's human-who said it's europe?) okay,Belle is franch so she can celebeate,Aurora has Christian flags all over her castle but who said that Snow White,Ariel and Cinderella are Christian?.

To tell the truth, except for Jasmine, I've never seen the other two (Mulan and Pocahontas) celebrate Christmas anywhere. I may be wrong, but I just haven't. As for SnowWhite, Ariel and Cinderella being Christians I said they "most likely" are, not for sure though. However you have to know that their stories were based on classic fairytales that were written by Europeans in European Christian societies, so typically yes, their stories SEEM to take place in a European Christian society. Brothers Grimm who wrote SnowWhite were from Germany, H.C.Andersen who wrote The Little Mermaid was from Denmark and Charles Perrault who wrote Cinderella (or Cinderella's version that was the basis for the Disney film) was French. So nothing can change the origin of these stories, even if they 're popular all around the world now. One more thing; in Ariel's wedding the priest is Christian. In Cinderella's wedding in the original we can see the church's bells ringing and in Cinderella 3 the priest is Christian too. Lastly, as I've said already Christmas (unfortunately IMO) is not only for Christians any more, it's now more like an almost worlwide celebration of loving and giving. Presents, that is. In a few words it's been made to be the celebration of the toy companies. Disney Princesses is a children's product so they just have to be part of it to bring big money to mama Disney.

and about the girls you mention-
i hate Prince Of Egypt and i defentily dosn't count her as a princess.
Chel-i like The Road To El Dorado but she's acting a little bit slutish.
and i don't cound girls from other movies as princesses,only Disney Princesses.

Bad for you. Maybe you should open your horizons! To me those films are the same quality as the Disney films. Especially "The Prince of Egypt" is to me a major artistic achievement.

[blackcauldron85]

There's not just Disney out there, you know!

What are you speaking of? Of course there's just Disney out there! *puts hands on ears* LALALALALA I can't hear you...

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

What are you speaking of? Of course there's just Disney out there! *puts hands on ears* LALALALALA I can't hear you...

[Poody]

Well, there's Princess Fiona....

[Jack Skellington]

what's politicaly correct about an african-american princess from New Orleans ?

First of all, since when were their kings or princesses in America let alone New Orleans ?

Secondly, and I don't mean to offend anyone, but their was never a time in America when African-Americans ruled the country.

Maybe this is a story about an African Princess who travels to New Orleans ? Who Knows.

[SpringHeelJack]

Uh, pretty sure that the princess in "The Princess and the Frog" isn't a princess by birth, especially since a prince romantic lead has always seemed to be in the character sheets.

[Ariel'sprince]

Uh, pretty sure that the princess in "The Princess and the Frog" isn't a princess by birth, especially since a prince romantic lead has always seemed to be in the character sheets.

So it's a black Cinderella? just we need .
"coming soon-the fat Rapunzle".

[Jack Skellington]

Yeah that might make more scence, but that wasn't how it was in the story, anyway I like how the Princess looks, I know some people who can't tell the diffrence between Snow White and Aurora, so her dark skin is going to be her trade-mark.