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im not against resigning songs as long as they pick someone else instead of the disney channel btweens! :lol: Barbra Streisand was good in snow white cause it wasnt a huge difference from the original and it just fit in. why not get real people that can sing? Whole New World they could get some only like Toni Braxton or someone else to re-sing it, they make me mad! :x
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Even with the kiddie features, it still sounds meaty. As I said before, I expect the new scene to be part of the bonus material.

Scene or no scene, it is not the 1992 version we will be getting. I won't care that much if they only enhance the animation... but if the do re-animate scenes like they did in "Beauty and the Beast" and "Aladdin", that's another matter. I read somewhere that now the sky has much more stars than before during the "A Whole New World" number.

Two audio comentary tracks + pop-up subtitles sound great! :D

I think we will be getting the coverart and press-release by the next week - sooner than the other Platinum titles, which were all announced in March.
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Is there anypictures of the new DVD?
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Newly completed animation--- um, yeah so that's what the animation crew on Recess did with their free afternoon.
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who knows what it will turn out like. At least the give us the old version without it also :)
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englishboy wrote:Newly completed animation--- um, yeah so that's what the animation crew on Recess did with their free afternoon.
Hey, I think that's going a bit too far. Morning Report added nothing to The Lion King, but the animation wasn't half bad. Human Again from Beauty and the Beast was an EXELLENT addition, added more depth to the film, and had animation easily up to the level of the rest of the movie. When I saw Beauty and the Beast on IMAX, Mom kept asking which song was the new one, and I wouldn't tell her, and she couldn't tell the difference. And these sequences are supervised by the original creative team (though with Aladdin directors Ron Clements and John Musker fired, one has to wonder. I'm guessing Proud of Your Boy was one of the last things they did at WDFA.) And for the record, as I've said before, every article and report I've read about the Aladdin DVD over the past two days (except IMDB's, which was so errorous I can't stand it) said that the sequence is there as a DELETED SCENE and WILL NOT be restored into the main feature itself. If they were to do that they'd have to create new character(s) and subplots - Aladdin's mother, at least, since he sings it to her, and maybe his brothers, too. Which seems like a bit much for Disney to do for the sake of having a new song in the movie. So I think it's just going to be an extra, like I'm Odd.

And regarding the enhancements: I as much as anyone want the original 1992 version of Aladdin on DVD (moreso then some, maybe even, since it is my favorite movie of all time.) But you've gotta admit that the enhanced versions look pretty darn good.

Yes, Beauty and the Beast was overhauled with some improper lighting and colors, but on the whole I think it looked really really good and kept the spirit of the original well. And in sheer technical terms, the transfer was as sharp and vibrant as any of Disney's other animated titles on DVD.

And The Lion King, well, wow, it looks astonishing, arguably the best it has looked since 1994. They did do some things with it that they didn't need to -- the crocidiles, for example -- but most of the enhancements are tastefully done and the new enhanced version is very much in the spirit of the original production (nonwithstanding Morning Report.)

Aladdin will be the same way. Changes, yes, but done skillfully enough to blend in and stay in the spirit of the original release.
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I wonder if that's really the reason the new song is (probably) gonna be only a bonus feature and not directly added into the film... If it IS, then the new song in Mermaid is probably gonna go into the film ala BB and TLK... If not, it will be only a bonus :cry:
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Jake Lipson wrote:I'm guessing Proud of Your Boy was one of the last things they did at WDFA.) And for the record, as I've said before, every article and report I've read about the Aladdin DVD over the past two days (except IMDB's, which was so errorous I can't stand it) said that the sequence is there as a DELETED SCENE and WILL NOT be restored into the main feature itself. If they were to do that they'd have to create new character(s) and subplots - Aladdin's mother, at least, since he sings it to her, and maybe his brothers, too. Which seems like a bit much for Disney to do for the sake of having a new song in the movie. So I think it's just going to be an extra, like I'm Odd.
Also bear in mind we haven't had the official press release for the set yet, and Disney press releases are known to be off at the best of times. A pre-press release release (if you know what I mean) may not be that accurate either. I think all the reports we have seen have all been from the same source (The Hollywood Reporter) and the wording seems to be somewhat loose. They also got the number of Platinum releases wrong.

I find it hard to believe Disney would create and/or complete new animation for a deleted scene. They've never done it before, and didn't for the I'm Odd sequence in Alice (but we very keen to promote the "newly discovered" song).

I'm sure that they could do a little creative thinking and have Aladdin remembering the song and his mother in flashback? Or something similar? She doesn't have to "exist" in the film. It doesn't mean that a whole subplot will have to be created and resolved in the film.

Now, as well as Aladdin's mother, wasn't Jaffar supposed to sing an altered reprise of the song originally? Perhaps they're talking about this? And it could still be in the film with minimum changes? Of course, it doesn't exactly make much sense having a reprise without the original tune, but adding the Morning Report over some of the other songs dropped from The Lion King didn't make much sense either.

Besides, the Reuters report (here) seems to lump the new song in with the movie and away from the other supplements listed.
Featuring a remixed 5.1 surround sound home theater track, the "Aladdin" double-disc DVD also will include a deleted song called "Proud of Your Boy" by Academy Award-winning songwriters Howard Ashman and Alan Menken. The film features the voices of Robin Williams, Scott Weinger, Linda Larkin, Jonathan Freeman and Gilbert Gottfried.

"The song was edited out of the first version," Chapek said, "but we're planning to bring it back along with the original pencil test drawings of a scene featuring Aladdin's mother."
I find the words I've underlined interesting. "First Version." Surley there is no other version, as only one movie was made? Wouldn't "edited out during development" or something similar be more appropriate language to use? Could this mean the DVD will feature the "Second Version" including the song?

Like "Human Again", the song was intended to be included in the original film. So this "pencil test" mentioned probably, like the "Human Again" storyboards on disc 2 of Beauty and the Beast, something seperate than the "newly animated" sequence.

Disney obviously went to the expense of "redrawing" 20% of the film because at that time they thought it was going to appear on IMAX screens. Wouldn't they also have spent on expense of creating new animation to show it on IMAX screens too? A new song would have been one of the attractions to draw in the crowds.
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For the record, I hate that Disney went back and redid all these "deleted" scenes for Beauty & the Beast and The Lion King and now Aladdin. All just for that extra buck. Just to get that one extra seat filled with a warm tush. Each of those mentioned scenes (exempting the Aladdin one, of course, since we haven't seen it) had terrible segueways into them and did not fit into either film. It's obvious why these scenes were taken out.

I would've been happy if they had shown these two sequences as deleted scenes or deleted concepts, etc. Changing the overall film is ridiculous. (And yes, I thought the same for all the Special Editions of the original Star Wars trilogy.) It's a crass money-making scheme and wish that they would do away with it. Just another drop in the watering-down-the-name-of-Disney bucket.

I hope that they place this 'deleted' scene of Aladdin as just that: a deleted scene.
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Pher, The song that your quote is from ... the restless warrior one!
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2099net wrote:I find the words I've underlined interesting. "First Version." Surley there is no other version, as only one movie was made?
In pre-production, there were actually TWO versions of Aladdin. The first version was written with songs by Ashman and Menkin, but deemed "unworkable" by Musker and Clemens. It featured, among other things, Aladdin's wacky barbershop quartet, his mom, and TWO genies - a genie of the lamp (which Jafar gets ahold of) and a genie of the ring (Aladdin's). "Proud of Your Boy" was actually written for that version, and is heard in demo form on the Music Behind the Magic set, of which the fourth disc is dedicated to this alternate version of the film.

I find the pencil tests curious, though, because I wasn't aware that any serious production beyond the song demos were done for that version of the film.
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I know this is getting into pedantric wordplay, but it still doesn't sound right to me.

If the song was, as reported, edited out of the first version of the movie, it doesn't really make sense. The whole of the first version of the movie (according to your summary) wasn't made so nothing was edited out. The whole first version was abandoned.

It would make more sense to say something like "the song was included in an early draft of the movie" or something. Saying first version seems to indicate that there was a version to show. At the very least, part way finished. So I'd expect a lot of deleted scenes in various animation stages!

Also, the word first still makes me think there's 2 versions on the DVD...
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swray1024 wrote:Pher, The song that your quote is from ... the restless warrior one!
ahahaha!!! I didn't know I was quoting anything, this is so hilarious, it was just a coincidence :lol:
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2099net wrote:I know this is getting into pedantric wordplay, but it still doesn't sound right to me.

If the song was, as reported, edited out of the first version of the movie, it doesn't really make sense. The whole of the first version of the movie (according to your summary) wasn't made so nothing was edited out. The whole first version was abandoned.

It would make more sense to say something like "the song was included in an early draft of the movie" or something. Saying first version seems to indicate that there was a version to show. At the very least, part way finished. So I'd expect a lot of deleted scenes in various animation stages!

Also, the word first still makes me think there's 2 versions on the DVD...
I would really like to believe that there will be 2 versions of the film on dvd, but I don't think there will be.

The film was constantly changing while in production, not pre-preduction, so it is very possible that the early version was possibly animated in some areas, but they were constantly changing it, Aladdin himself wasn't aged to a teen until the a few months before it's release there are still a few scenes where you can see him as a child. The "Friend Like Me" sequence is one of them, if not the only one....

I'm guessing some of the redrawn scenes are the ones where this is the case...

Since the movie was constantly changing as opposed to one major change I doubt there is a specific "first version" that is completely animated, be it through Pencil tests, Story boards and/or Final animtion....
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Disney released the full aspects of "Aladdin" (hey, Luke, don't take too long to post it here :D ) and it is clear that "Proud of Your Boy" WON'T be in the movie. Like the "I'm Odd" song sequence from "Alice", they are advertising it as if it came right from the vaults...
Since there will be only one version available, it is obvious it will be the one with enhanced animation... Anyway, we wouldn't get the 1992 version even if there were two cuts of the film on the DVD. :(

By the way, it seems the collector's box set will be even cooler than the one they made for "The Lion King"... It will include the book, the drawings, the DVD plus a frame from the film! :up:
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Joe Carioca wrote:Disney released the full aspects of "Aladdin" (hey, Luke, don't take too long to post it here :D )
Um . . . where?
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Jack wrote:
Joe Carioca wrote:Disney released the full aspects of "Aladdin" (hey, Luke, don't take too long to post it here :D )
Um . . . where?
Hum, I don't know... Maybe we should wait until Luke posts it here (coughHomeTheaterForum'smessageboardscough) :D
Let's hope he got the coverart. ;)

UPDATE: I edited the text within the brackets... You know, got confused when I wrote it. :oops:
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Yep it isn't a rumor it is really coming out on DVD can you belive it after all these years it is finally coming out on Disney DVD. So we can all sing and shout and sing A Whole New World.
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Disney Guru wrote:Yep it isn't a rumor it is really coming out on DVD can you belive it after all these years it is finally coming out on Disney DVD. So we can all sing and shout and sing A Whole New World.
Disney Guru, don't take offence at this, because my motive is not to put you down. But your posts like this are the kind that just waste the site's bandwidth - it doesn't add anything to the discussion, but it takes up space not only for your post, but your avatar and signature as well.

I've been noticing you've been making useless posts like this a lot lately. Again, I'm not trying to pick on you. But please try and keep this in mind as everyone tries to conserve bandwidth.
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I just saw the tiny cover on the homepage, and totaly liked it!!

it has the same style the lion king cover has, so...I'm prety sure that's the official cover, now I think well' see it bigger soon.
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