Talespin V2/Ducktales V3 November 13

[Mayhem]

What I was beginning to think... when's the next "trench"?

[MickeyMousePal]

The thing I don't understand why did Disney push the date for both Rescue Rangers Volume 3 and Gummi Bears Volume 2.
I think the release is because in August 2008 both Darkwing Duck Volume 3 and Talespin Volume 3 will be release. On November 2008 I think DuckTales Volume 4, Rescue Rangers Volume 3 and Gummi Bears Volume 2 will be release on DVD. It seems that all the above will have the complete series on DVD by next year.

[JEANYLASER]

I wait for the announce about the rescue rangers volume 3 On dvd.

[UncleEd]

Here is my question. Why are these DVD releases restricted to Aug. and Nov.? Why can't they squeeze a spring wave in too? Maybe March or April? I'd prefer a Feb. and a May but I doubt that would happen so just a Marh or April will do. It's taking Disney waaaaaay too long to get this stuff out. Do you realize that if each show gets 3 realeases then it could be almost 10 more years before the entire Disney Afternoon is on DVD? And I'm only counting up through the mid 90's. I'd think people would lose interest by that point. 10 years sure is a long time to get this stuff out when most shows that ran for 10 seasons are out within a 3-4 year period. It's taking 3-4 years just to get out 3 or 4 volumes for Disney and they have no bonus featurers. I'm just getting irritated by how Disney is handling these releases.

[Mr. Toad]

UncleEd - I am not sure why you think you are automatically entitled to these shows. There are lots of shows and limits in capacity in terms of human resources for mastering the discs and in the production. There is also limitations in how much people can reasonably buy. There is more dollars to be made by spreading it out.

As for the average consumer I am sure they are more interested in keeping the cost down than bonus features on these. I will take a good bonus feature on something special but I am not sure I would watch any here.

[MickeyMousePal]

At least now we can get 125 points for each season set of DuckTales, Rescue Rangers, Talespin, Darkwing Duck and Gummi Bears at the Disney Movie Rewards for the upcoming volume sets. Darkwing Duck Volume 2 contain a code for 125 points and it seems possbile that DuckTales Volume 3 and TaleSpin Volume 2 might have Disney Movie Rewards codes for 125 points.

[Mayhem]

If they haven't actually announced November yet, then all fair and good, as the two previous RR sets were out in that month.

[Super Leviathan]

Considering how Disney has dropped Gargoyles like a hot potato, I honestly didn't expect these shows to make it this far, let along for Ducktales to get a Third Voulme.

The first Talespin set was actually announced a while after the first Darkwing and Tick sets were announced so anything is possible as far as announcemnets about releasements go.

[Mr. Toad]

If they haven't actually announced November yet, then all fair and good, as the two previous RR sets were out in that month.

Umm, this whole thread was triggered by the press release.

[UncleEd]

"UncleEd - I am not sure why you think you are automatically entitled to these shows. There are lots of shows and limits in capacity in terms of human resources for mastering the discs and in the production. There is also limitations in how much people can reasonably buy. There is more dollars to be made by spreading it out."



I never said I'm entitled but I do feel that when a studio gets this far to have volume 2's and 3's then they are obligated to finish what they started. Other studios space their season sets to 2-4 sets a year and people buy them, why can't Disney? Say they go with 4 waves and have 2 sets each wave, that's 8 waves. If they did 3, that's 12 waves. By spreading these out a year apart like they are it's going to cause casual buyers to lose interest. There is such a thing as spreading out releases too far. These aren't like the Muppet Show that need restored and have rights issues. These can be released at any time and there is no reason why a spring wave can't work when we have an August and November wave that are so close together. That's roughly 3 months between those waves if you go by release days. It's just a waste not having at least 1 spring release. Disney's spring releases have been a lot lower than they used to be though.



"As for the average consumer I am sure they are more interested in keeping the cost down than bonus features on these. I will take a good bonus feature on something special but I am not sure I would watch any here."

You can't beat the 20-25 that these box sets now cost. I just fear they will quit on a show in the middle of release, ala Gargoyles.

[Mr. Toad]

I never said I'm entitled but I do feel that when a studio gets this far to have volume 2's and 3's then they are obligated to finish what they started
.

No they aren't. If not enough people bought the first volume or sales declined in subsequent volumes they are not obligated to lose more money.

Other studios space their season sets to 2-4 sets a year and people buy them, why can't Disney? .

They would if they could sell enough sets. The problem with that is they would need to build a whole lot of capacity in terms of human resources and production capacity and then there would be nothing left to release and the investment would not be worth it. By investing in less capacity it is a double win because the revenue stream lasts longer.

Say they go with 4 waves and have 2 sets each wave, that's 8 waves. If they did 3, that's 12 waves. By spreading these out a year apart like they are it's going to cause casual buyers to lose interest.

Absolutely not. It is the casual buyer who would not buy in large volumes. They get more out of the casual buyer by extending it out. The casual buyer is likely to not have the time or money to watch that much. It is the completist and big fan that gets more annoyed. But it really does not matter to the studio in the end because that buyer will still buy.

There is such a thing as spreading out releases too far. These aren't like the Muppet Show that need restored and have rights issues. These can be released at any time and there is no reason why a spring wave can't work when we have an August and November wave that are so close together. That's roughly 3 months between those waves if you go by release days. It's just a waste not having at least 1 spring release. Disney's spring releases have been a lot lower than they used to be though...

Disney releases in general and among all studios has dropped. This is directly correlated to drops in DVD sales. The fact is DVD releases became too plentiful especially as it came to TV shows on DVD. There just wasnt enough time to watch them all. I am looking at my case right now and see about 50 unwatched seasons. I have all but stopped buying DVDs because I have 200 unwatched DVDs of my 600 and I am waiting for the High Definition war to play out. Looking at sales of DVDs I am not the only one.

You can't beat the 20-25 that these box sets now cost. I just fear they will quit on a show in the middle of release, ala Gargoyles.

[Mayhem]

Umm, this whole thread was triggered by the press release.

Yeah... all this talk of August somehow made my brain forget the title of this thread... okay... so after November, when IS the next one... April?

[UncleEd]

"No they aren't. If not enough people bought the first volume or sales declined in subsequent volumes they are not obligated to lose more money."

I know a lot of people who now wait until an entire show is on DVD before they buy it having been burned by studios doing this. And just how much is not enough? Do they DA volumes sell as well as Gargoyles did? Disney does no promotion on these sets so they're just dumping them out there with no belief behind them in the first place. They are certainly not going to lose money on this line when the limited edition DVDs that are produced in far less quantities turn profits and these DA shows are not even restored or remastered like most of Disney's product. If Disney isn't going to respect their consumers then they are going to lose money and that is quite frankly what has been happening to them since the late 90's.

By not committing to releasing the whole series after several sets, Disney is turning off a big chunk of consumers. Plus the Gargoyles situation doesn't help matters any. I know plenty of people who were quite surprised to see that 2 volumes were released to DVD. They do no advertising so what do they expect? The Disney Afternoon also appeals to a large group of college kids who don't normally buy Disney titles. My brother being one of them. This Disney Afternoon thing is going to become yet another Disney DVD blunder if tyhey aren't careful. Remember how they screwed up the Vault Disney line? 'nuff said.


"They would if they could sell enough sets. The problem with that is they would need to build a whole lot of capacity in terms of human resources and production capacity and then there would be nothing left to release and the investment would not be worth it. By investing in less capacity it is a double win because the revenue stream lasts longer."


I don't agree with that because of the amount of Disney Afternoon titles there are, the number not even started yet, and the fact that there are few Diksney DVD releases in the first half of the year. I also do not believe that Disney thinks ahead in their DD releases because there are months and months where nothing is released then you'll have dozenes of titles released in a big burst geared to the same market. Last December in a prime example. In December there were 4 True Life Adventures, 4 Treasures, Dead Man's Chest, Robin Hood, and Fox & the Hound may have been in that surge. There was no way most fans and collectors could get all of those titles weeks apart. As a result the True Life Adventures line failed, Disney tried to claim the Treasures had failed, and it was all their own fault for releasing everything at once. Because of the December surge I had passed on the Disney Afternoon titles originally and the fact that their retail price was 35.00 a pop.Now that you can get them for 20-25 and it's an off season I've been catching up.

Let's also look at how many new TV shows Disney floods the market with every August that are all geared at the same consumer. Why can't this same attention be lavished upon the Disney Afternoon titles?

Another factor is how much Disney is forcing Blu Ray on the general consumer. I have friends who predict it will catch on and others who say it will fail like Beta because the average consumer isn't going to hop on board. With Disney and other studios creating exclusive Blu Ray content they are trying to force people to buy into the Blu Ray system. It is superior but allow it to grow into its own on its own like DVD did. I've been with DVD since 1999, I have over 1,000 discs. I consider myself a film buff but when I make the Blu Ray jump I'm certainly not going to repurchase every single title in my collection. Many of these older films will look worse in higher resolution and on large screen TVs because the film grain will be blown up. Some of my old films now look bad on DVD and big screen TV. With animation they'll touch up the old titles but that can ruin the original film too. New films and CGI are the only types of films that HD DVD will benefit. My stance is I'm only buying the Disney titles with new content and waiting until Blu Ray players come down to watch my discs.



"Disney releases in general and among all studios has dropped. This is directly correlated to drops in DVD sales. The fact is DVD releases became too plentiful especially as it came to TV shows on DVD. There just wasnt enough time to watch them all. I am looking at my case right now and see about 50 unwatched seasons. I have all but stopped buying DVDs because I have 200 unwatched DVDs of my 600 and I am waiting for the High Definition war to play out. Looking at sales of DVDs I am not the only one."


Sales for everything are down right now though too. I do agree that a lot of TV shows started hitting at the same time.



"Yeah... all this talk of August somehow made my brain forget the title of this thread... okay... so after November, when IS the next one... April?"

Not till next August. That is the point I'm trying to make. There needs to be a Spring time wave of these titles.

[UncleEd]

"No they aren't. If not enough people bought the first volume or sales declined in subsequent volumes they are not obligated to lose more money."

I know a lot of people who now wait until an entire show is on DVD before they buy it having been burned by studios doing this. And just how much is not enough? Do they DA volumes sell as well as Gargoyles did? Disney does no promotion on these sets so they're just dumping them out there with no belief behind them in the first place. They are certainly not going to lose money on this line when the limited edition DVDs that are produced in far less quantities turn profits and these DA shows are not even restored or remastered like most of Disney's product. If Disney isn't going to respect their consumers then they are going to lose money and that is quite frankly what has been happening to them since the late 90's.

By not committing to releasing the whole series after several sets, Disney is turning off a big chunk of consumers. Plus the Gargoyles situation doesn't help matters any. I know plenty of people who were quite surprised to see that 2 volumes were released to DVD. They do no advertising so what do they expect? The Disney Afternoon also appeals to a large group of college kids who don't normally buy Disney titles. My brother being one of them. This Disney Afternoon thing is going to become yet another Disney DVD blunder if tyhey aren't careful. Remember how they screwed up the Vault Disney line? 'nuff said.


"They would if they could sell enough sets. The problem with that is they would need to build a whole lot of capacity in terms of human resources and production capacity and then there would be nothing left to release and the investment would not be worth it. By investing in less capacity it is a double win because the revenue stream lasts longer."


I don't agree with that because of the amount of Disney Afternoon titles there are, the number not even started yet, and the fact that there are few Diksney DVD releases in the first half of the year. I also do not believe that Disney thinks ahead in their DD releases because there are months and months where nothing is released then you'll have dozenes of titles released in a big burst geared to the same market. Last December in a prime example. In December there were 4 True Life Adventures, 4 Treasures, Dead Man's Chest, Robin Hood, and Fox & the Hound may have been in that surge. There was no way most fans and collectors could get all of those titles weeks apart. As a result the True Life Adventures line failed, Disney tried to claim the Treasures had failed, and it was all their own fault for releasing everything at once. Because of the December surge I had passed on the Disney Afternoon titles originally and the fact that their retail price was 35.00 a pop.Now that you can get them for 20-25 and it's an off season I've been catching up.

Let's also look at how many new TV shows Disney floods the market with every August that are all geared at the same consumer. Why can't this same attention be lavished upon the Disney Afternoon titles?

Another factor is how much Disney is forcing Blu Ray on the general consumer. I have friends who predict it will catch on and others who say it will fail like Beta because the average consumer isn't going to hop on board. With Disney and other studios creating exclusive Blu Ray content they are trying to force people to buy into the Blu Ray system. It is superior but allow it to grow into its own on its own like DVD did. I've been with DVD since 1999, I have over 1,000 discs. I consider myself a film buff but when I make the Blu Ray jump I'm certainly not going to repurchase every single title in my collection. Many of these older films will look worse in higher resolution and on large screen TVs because the film grain will be blown up. Some of my old films now look bad on DVD and big screen TV. With animation they'll touch up the old titles but that can ruin the original film too. New films and CGI are the only types of films that HD DVD will benefit. My stance is I'm only buying the Disney titles with new content and waiting until Blu Ray players come down to watch my discs.



"Disney releases in general and among all studios has dropped. This is directly correlated to drops in DVD sales. The fact is DVD releases became too plentiful especially as it came to TV shows on DVD. There just wasnt enough time to watch them all. I am looking at my case right now and see about 50 unwatched seasons. I have all but stopped buying DVDs because I have 200 unwatched DVDs of my 600 and I am waiting for the High Definition war to play out. Looking at sales of DVDs I am not the only one."


Sales for everything are down right now though too. I do agree that a lot of TV shows started hitting at the same time.



"Yeah... all this talk of August somehow made my brain forget the title of this thread... okay... so after November, when IS the next one... April?"

Not till next August. That is the point I'm trying to make. There needs to be a Spring time wave of these titles.

[MadonnasManOne]

TVShowsOnDVD.com has posted the Official Press Release for DuckTales: Volume 3.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/DuckTa ... lease/8163

[UncleEd]

According to this press release theGizmo Duxk 5 parter must be on it because it's the only episode I recall of the money bin being chased after in space. I hope Bubba's 5 parter will be included too as it aired first.

[Mr. Toad]

Picked up my copy early at Disneyland.