Jobs's comments don't differ too much from what has been said by many of Disney's critics. As he has seen a lot of Disney's dealings from up close I can't blame him for being so open in his opinions. The fact that Pixar is doing so well doesn't mean that Jobs isn't allowed to speak out. It is not really fair to call it arrogance if he does.
Btw about the NY post article: I think Jobs would do a great job managing Disney. He has proven his qualities managing Apple and Pixar and I think that someone with his creativity and charisma would do really well at Disney. I have seen a couple of his lectures and he is someone who can get you really fired up on the things that he speaks about.
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I think it is probably fair to say that Steve Jobs is arrogant. It is a part of his character. However, in many regards, he has a legitimate right to be arrogant.bean:therio wrote:The fact that Pixar is doing so well doesn't mean that Jobs isn't allowed to speak out. It is not really fair to call it arrogance if he does.
There's more here than Jobs just stating "facts". The DTV's may be poor quality, but it's unprofessional of Jobs to make such scathing comments in public. Reasons for splitting up should be left private. There’s no difference between the Disney/Pixar split and the Ben/Jennifer split. But I’m sure you wouldn’t be as charitable on them if they started casting snide remarks and assertions about each other in public. I'd never thought I would call Jobs "unprofessional" but he's sure seems to be at the moment.
Jobs seems to be falling into the trap that most people in the entertainment industry fall into. Namely that they are so popular that they can do no wrong. Hardly a week goes buy without some celebrity or other making an arrogant or ungrateful comment. Sadly, most of the individuals who fall into this trap eventually seem to end up loosing their popularity - often as a direct result of their public comments.
Listen to the Prince/PrinceLand story on the "An Evening with Kevin Smith" DVD. I'm no suggesting that Steve is living in JobsLand just yet... but he appears to be thinking about buying a one way ticket.
He singles out DTV’s but doesn’t seem to mention the Buzz Lightyear DTV or television series. Now, I’m sure Disney had a major hand in these, they were after all Disney productions. But I also believe that had he wanted to Jobs could have stopped them if he really wanted to. And I’m sure Pixar benefited from the extra income for the company they created.
He makes a point of commenting on, what were after all, private comments made my Michael Eisner about "his" film. Newsflash, perhaps Eisner wasn’t impressed by the film because it was weak. The actual story is weak and can be written on the back of a postcard, most of the characters are weak, and nothing of real consequence happens for most of the film, it just moves from (mostly isolated) set-piece to set-piece. Most of these could be removed, or changed for another type of encounter or obstacle and the integrity of the film wouldn’t be harmed in the slightest. But then, it did so well at the box office, Michael was so obviously wrong and it’s obviously the best movie Pixar has ever made. Because that’s what Jobs obviously thinks.
While I’m at posting, while I may not be impressed with Job’s conduct, I’d like to praise John Lasseter, who always seem to be humble when interviewed.
Jobs seems to be falling into the trap that most people in the entertainment industry fall into. Namely that they are so popular that they can do no wrong. Hardly a week goes buy without some celebrity or other making an arrogant or ungrateful comment. Sadly, most of the individuals who fall into this trap eventually seem to end up loosing their popularity - often as a direct result of their public comments.
Listen to the Prince/PrinceLand story on the "An Evening with Kevin Smith" DVD. I'm no suggesting that Steve is living in JobsLand just yet... but he appears to be thinking about buying a one way ticket.
He singles out DTV’s but doesn’t seem to mention the Buzz Lightyear DTV or television series. Now, I’m sure Disney had a major hand in these, they were after all Disney productions. But I also believe that had he wanted to Jobs could have stopped them if he really wanted to. And I’m sure Pixar benefited from the extra income for the company they created.
He makes a point of commenting on, what were after all, private comments made my Michael Eisner about "his" film. Newsflash, perhaps Eisner wasn’t impressed by the film because it was weak. The actual story is weak and can be written on the back of a postcard, most of the characters are weak, and nothing of real consequence happens for most of the film, it just moves from (mostly isolated) set-piece to set-piece. Most of these could be removed, or changed for another type of encounter or obstacle and the integrity of the film wouldn’t be harmed in the slightest. But then, it did so well at the box office, Michael was so obviously wrong and it’s obviously the best movie Pixar has ever made. Because that’s what Jobs obviously thinks.
While I’m at posting, while I may not be impressed with Job’s conduct, I’d like to praise John Lasseter, who always seem to be humble when interviewed.
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Based upon what I have heard, there is no way that Pixar could have stopped Disney from making the Buzz Lightyear television series and there is no way for Pixar to stop Disney from making a Toy Story 3, Bug's Life 2, or any other sequel to the Pixar movies. That is why Pixar wanted to change the contract regarding The Incredibles and Cars; Pixar wanted exclusive rights to their own creations.2099net wrote:He singles out DTV’s but doesn’t seem to mention the Buzz Lightyear DTV or television series. Now, I’m sure Disney had a major hand in these, they were after all Disney productions. But I also believe that had he wanted to Jobs could have stopped them if he really wanted to. And I’m sure Pixar benefited from the extra income for the company they created.
I know this is the case. But I'm pretty sure that if the whole contract thing never happened and Disney wanted a Toy Story 3 made, and Pixar objected, Disney wouldn't make a Toy Story 3 themselves. I'm also pretty sure Jobs could have objected to the Buzz Lightyear spin-offs in the same manner if he really wanted to, and Disney wouldn't have gone ahead.Rebel wrote:Based upon what I have heard, there is no way that Pixar could have stopped Disney from making the Buzz Lightyear television series and there is no way for Pixar to stop Disney from making a Toy Story 3, Bug's Life 2, or any other sequel to the Pixar movies. That is why Pixar wanted to change the contract regarding The Incredibles and Cars; Pixar wanted exclusive rights to their own creations.2099net wrote:He singles out DTV’s but doesn’t seem to mention the Buzz Lightyear DTV or television series. Now, I’m sure Disney had a major hand in these, they were after all Disney productions. But I also believe that had he wanted to Jobs could have stopped them if he really wanted to. And I’m sure Pixar benefited from the extra income for the company they created.
Of couse, I could be being a bit innocent and naive with this assumption, but I would like to think the working relationship was more important to Disney. (And yes, I am aware of the whole TS2 sequel/original movie count argument which really seems to be the root of all these Disney and Pixar shenanigans.)
I'm also pretty sure Disney we're never working on TS3, and perhaps still aren't. I think the reference to TS3 being "in production" on the Disney Pixar/Disney split press release was just a case of Disney saying to the world "We may have lost Pixar, but we still (part?)own the characters and can make more movies with them if we want to." It was part of Disney damage limitation (which may have backfired).
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