Tangled! (The Artist Formerly Known As Rapunzel)

[veu]

According to Jason Ryan (supervising animator of the evil witch), the evil witch will be similar to Snow White's hag!

Disney Duster, do you know people who is working to Rapunzel? Can you tell us if the modern references are still in this movie?

Yes, Snow White is right... I also read that the change in Rapunzel plot are only a rumor... I explain me: I know that the movie will be more classical than original Shrek-ish version, but I read also that it remain the modern day premise... so Rapunzel will be not too classical...

[Bewitched]

That's quite sad! I mean, we already had a witch looking like a hag, and we're going to see a similar one in the upcoming 'Enchanted' movie.
I'd like to see new ideas! Come on....


Hi Veu!

[Disney Duster]

Disney Duster, do you know people who is working to Rapunzel? Can you tell us if the modern references are still in this movie?

No, I don't, but I read Jim Hill media and though I don't believe everything he says himself, I believe when he quotes people he met who work for Disney or things Disney announces themselves. The Animation Guild Blog is also an excellent source. Anyhow, I remember hearing the story was changed back to a fairy tale, and that is why "Unbraided" was dropped from the title. If they named the movie "Rapunzel" but didn't deliver a legitimate version of Rapunzel the fairy tale, the title could be considered a lie, or false advertising.

[Disney's Divinity]

According to Jason Ryan (supervising animator of the evil witch), the evil witch will be similar to Snow White's hag!

Yay for originality. I hope that's not true, or at least changes by the time the movie is actually released. That'll be Snow White, The Little Mermaid, Enchanted, and Rapunzel that all have evil witch-hags in them. Mermaid is excusable because of the different setting/tone of Ursula and Enchanted is merely a play on the witch, but Rapunzel will just be too much.

Outside of the princess films, there've been a lot other hags, too. Yzma, the witches from The Black Cauldron, and Mim are other cases.

I would like depth, too, and I particularly like that example. What version was that you saw?

You know, after a man stole from her garden, you could say the witch took the baby away as protection from a criminal father.

It was from Shelley Duvall's version on Fairy Tale Theatre. I've never been a fan of the Rapunzel tale, but the episode was fairly good. It at least made me like the story more than I had before.

[Drawken]

Also, I don't know if you watch Desperate Housewives, but that picture of Rapunzel in your signature reminds me of Julie Mayer (Susan's daughter).

That picture has always reminded me of Scarlett Pomers from the TV show Reba. Long face with small upper-lip; pointy chin. Her expression also reminds me of her character on Reba. At one point, though not blond, really long hair.

[DisneyGirl22]

somehow i missed up till just now that they were even doing this movie but im very excited to see it! The artwork looks great and I think shes very pretty. When is it expected to be released?

[Rumpelstiltskin]

The new story, which is still not ready, will not be a inspired by Shrek:

"Keane also promises that he’s going back to Rapunzel’s literary origins to do a traditional, character-driven fairy tale that speaks to a modern audience. “It’s a story of the need for each person to become who they are supposed to be and for a parent to set them free so they can become that. It will be a musical and a comedy and have a lot of heart and sincerity. I think that’s what Disney needs to do right now. No one else can do it. We should not be embarrassed or making excuses for doing a fairy tale."

http://mag.awn.com/index.php?&article_no=2684&page=6

[veu]

Yes, Rumpelstiltskin, I know it! But Glen Keane didn't say that the movie hasn't a modern-day premise... he said that the movie will be classical and not parodistic, but he didn't speak about the modern premise...

I think that a modern day beginning will kill the soul of the original fairy tale... I think that a modern day premise will destroy the real setting of the fairy tale... Rapunzel risk to become a sort of imaginary character... I dislike that a modern day girl is transformed into Rapunzel! I hate, hate, hate the idea that Rapunzel, her Prince and modern Claire and pizza boy Vincent switch their body and Rapunzel become a squirrel, Prince a basset hound and Claire become Rapunzel and Vincent become the Prince!!! It's too stupid!!!

Noooooooo... I hope Disney will change the beginning because, if they don't change this, they'll ruin a classical fairy tale!!!!!

Classical fairy tale must to be set in a far far away kingdom... the beginning of all fairy tales in the world is "Once upon a time" and not "Today, or in 2007, in 2009, in 2010 etc."!!!

With Enchanted we'll have a central storyline in which there are 2 world (fairy tale and real modern world)... with Rapunzel we'll have real modern world and fairy tale world... Rapunzel become a sort of Enchanted in reverse!!!! No! It's absurd!!!
I want like to see new ideas, I don't want Rapunzel will be a copy of Enchanted!!!!


PS: Ciaoooooooooooooo Bewitched!!!!

[Disney's Divinity]

Keane also promises that he’s going back to Rapunzel’s literary origins to do a traditional, character-driven fairy tale that speaks to a modern audience.

Last time I remember, traditional fairy tales don't involve pizza boys turning into princes.

[Rumpelstiltskin]

That's because the part with the pizza boy was a part of the original plot, which would have included the couple of real world teenagers. The quote from Glen Keane came later, when it was decided not to make a fairy tale which included pop cultural references, probabaly after the fusion with Pixar.

No offence, but when will people understand that concept art in the earliest stages of a movie that has been on the drawing board for many years is rarly what we will see as the final product?

Hopefully Disney will clearify this once and for all in an article soon, that Rapunzel will not be some sort of Disney's version of Shrek.

[veu]

Keane also promises that he’s going back to Rapunzel’s literary origins to do a traditional, character-driven fairy tale that speaks to a modern audience.

Last time I remember, traditional fairy tales don't involve pizza boys turning into princes.

I agree Disney's Divinity!!!

Rumpelstiltskin, it's only a rumor that Rapunzel will be a classical fairy tale... disney never confirmed this.

I hope they'll change the plot and they'll make a very classical fairy tale with NO MODERN DAY REFERENCES or I never go to the cinema to watch this movie!!!

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Only a rumor? I dont think so.

AWN (Animation World Network) is a pretty reliable source, and they have quoted Keane directly. The same thing has also been mentioned by sources like Jim Hill, even if they are less relieble. Also the fact that a new director is now included and the script trouble they are working with tells it will be a movie with a real story.

And like I said before, never judge a movie from the first glimpses of concept art and early pre-production rumors.

[Disney's Divinity]

What I meant by my post was that the idea of a pizza boy had most assuredly been abandoned because Glen Keane has said the story's returned to its traditional fairy tale roots. And, since pizza boys aren't a part of traditional fairy tales, there's no way that's still a part of the story.

[veu]

Rumpelstiltskin, I don't judge this movie today, I simply said that IF Disney will create a modern day storyline, I don't appreciate it so I don't go to the cinema because I don't want to waste my money!

My idea is that Rapunzel must to be a very traditional fairy tale and not a Enchanted in reverse... I don't want a mere copy of Enchanted, I want a great movie!!!

Rapunzel must to make dream, and must to have a very classical setting with castles, towers, mountains, forests and NO MODERN DAY THING! So keep away pizza boys, snobbish or punkish girl or other stupid thing!!!

People want to dream with Rapunzel!!!

Rapunzel must to be Rapunzel, a very classical tale and not a science fiction movie with journey from real modern world to ancient fairy tale world!!!!

I hope AWN is right...

I think that Disney today must to explain what sort of movie will be Rapunzel...

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Divinity:

OK, looks like I misunderstood. Either way, it was a nice drawing.


veu:

Rapunzel will contain all the things you mentions if it ever goes into production. (But who knows, maybe including elements such as skateboards, ipods, Ray-Ban, nike and baseball caps would work excellent. Or maybe not.)

[veu]

"skateboards, ipods, Ray-Ban, nike and baseball caps"?????????

Noooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This elements don't create a excellent fairy tale movie but only a terrible spoof!!!!

Rapunzel must to be a great classical movie... why they'd copy Shrek or Enchanted??? Why???? It's a terrible thing!!!!

Rapunzel must to be very different from Enchanted or Shrek!!!! I don't love a copy!!!

Rapunzel must to have a very classical and fairy tale setting not a spoofy setting, not modern elements!!! I hate parody in fairy tale!!! I hate modern references in fairy tale!!!

If Disney create a modern day storyline, disney'll ruin and kill the original fairy tale!!!

I read on the web that all people want a classical version for Rapunzel!!! Not a modern version!!!!

[Snow White]

I totally agree with you, Veu!!!!

Rapunzel must to be a new movie, not a copy of other movie, not a sort of “Enchanted in reverse”.

My idea is this: Rapunzel must to have a very classical setting with NO MODERN REFERENCES. Rapunzel must to be Rapunzel and I dislike too much history about modern day characters and body switch...

For this classical fairy tale, is it necessary to introduce modern day teens??? I think that modern day elements will contrast with fairy tale storyline and setting. I think that modern day elements will create a comical fairy tale in which we'll watch a contrast with fairy tale world and modern character... it's too spoofy, too Shrek-ish.
If they would create a real serious movie, they must eliminate the modern part!

Rapunzel isn’t Alice in Wonderland or The Wizard of Oz... Alice in Wonderland and Wizard of Oz or Narnia has 2 world, fairy tale world and real world… but Rapunzel has her world and it is 1 world... the setting is the Europe of XVIII century or Medieval Europe! Classical Rapunzel tale hasn’t references with XXI century! It’s what Disney must to know!

When I studied at University, I learned the rules to make a great romantical/fairy tale movie... the rules are:

1) a classical and dreamy setting, with castles, lake, woods and not a modern day city or modern day references (because they are too parodistic). . . so NOT pizza boys, I-pods, skateboards, football or baseball shirt or caps!
2) a romantical couple with hero and heroine who can make to dream and also a great villain
3) a storyline who warms hearts

If one of this rules lack, we haven't a very classical movie!!!

Today, I read again the rumor about Glen Keane who promised he’s going back to Rapunzel’s literary origins to do a traditional fairy tale movie. . . so if this article is reliable, Glen Keane must to know that in classical Rapunzel fairy tale, there aren't pizza boys or modern girl or other modern elements, but there is a very old setting without modern thing!

So I hope Glen Keane know what he is making and I hope he said this because he want to go back to create a very classical storyline and I hope Glen Keane don't make fun of fans!
If Disney want to create a modern fairy tale, they must to change the title because it isn’t Rapunzel! They must to call the movie with other name, for example “Princess Claire” or “An American couple in Rapunzel’s world” or “Princess Claire, a sort of pseudo-Rapunzel”. . . I say this because, if this movie will be a modern interpretation of the popular story, this movie has NOTHING of Rapunzel’s tale! So if they’ll change the title, they’ll resolve problems and they’ll don’t deceive people… The worse thing is to deceive people and, after that, to disappoint people! I know that Disney create own version of fairy tales, but no other fairy tale are modern.
Moreover, Walt Disney, when he created his most popular feature (yes! Snow White, like my nickname! lol), said fairy tales are setting “once upon a time”, Walt loved fairy tale world because it was a ancient world, an old, classical world, with no modern elements. . . so I hope Glen Keane and modern Disney don’t deny this rule dictated by Walt!

Disney Duster, later I will post pictures about italian castles and woods, a very fairy tale setting.

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Well, there isn't much news, and no new pictures, but I found this on a blog:

Thursday, June 07, 2007

"Glen Keane is happy with the new direction of Rapunzel and credited the new regime with helping to make the picture better; the new animation building -- slated to be built in Glendale -- is still a work in progress, and execs want artists' input."

http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/ ... isney.html

Like I said, it really isn't much new information. Still, from the sound of it, it looks like it is starting to move forward and is hopefully soon free from the development hell (after all, they have worked on this movie some years now).

Even if I doubt it will be ready for 2009.

[MagicMirror]

According to Jason Ryan (supervising animator of the evil witch), the evil witch will be similar to Snow White's hag!

Yay for originality. I hope that's not true, or at least changes by the time the movie is actually released. That'll be Snow White, The Little Mermaid, Enchanted, and Rapunzel that all have evil witch-hags in them. Mermaid is excusable because of the different setting/tone of Ursula and Enchanted is merely a play on the witch, but Rapunzel will just be too much.

I quite agree, but a good animator can save all that. Very few people seem to realise that Maleficent is essentially the Queen's angular, fiery little sister. It's made less obvious by Marc Davis' animation, which is considerably different to Art Babbit's animation of Queenie. (Of course, Sleeping Beauty is essentially a lesser version of Snow White, but that's a different debate!)

There have been other common villain traits too. Medusa was a conscious effort by Milt Kahl to 'beat Cruella De Vil', and inherited a number of those flamboyant traits; Ursula, in turn, seems to have inherited Medusa's 'aging sex-pot' looks and 'grim hostess' traits. All these characters have proved to be some of Disney's most popular villains. That's to say nothing of Disney heroes and heroines, some of whom are practically interchangeable, even in the 90s.

Bill Peet initially designed Madame Mim as a sinister beauty with a pet raven. Presumably, changing her to a barmy old bat was partly so that similarities would not be drawn between Mim and Maleficent, who also transforms into a dragon.

So I think that the more original style, along with the different animator and voice artist will succeed to differentiate this witch from Snow White's. As long as the similarities aren't to the extent of Jafar/Scar similarities (which is unlikely), I don't think it will matter. Disney has a long tradition of Witches and Femme Fetales, and each has had her own unique twist in one way or another.

In other words, the statement that she will be 'like Snow White's Witch' is perhaps not an indication that she will be an exact replica of the character, but that the witch is the already-existing character she will be most like, as a point of comparison. I suspect they know how far they can push it. Then again, I could be wrong. I'm not really familiar with any of the CGI animators at Disney.

I also agree that the film should be told in a traditional fairy tale format, rather than in a Shrek format (not least because it would seem an obvious copy of Shrek). Realistically, they're not going to be able to make it as innocent as Snow White - audiences are just too cynical now - but they need to find some sort of equivalent ideology for today, as they did in 1989 with The Little Mermid. Most importantly, make it timeless - don't throw in lots of Katzenberg-style pop culture references.

[Snow White]

I agree with you, Magic Mirror!

I think that Disney must make Rapunzel a great fairy tale, a great TIMELESS fairy tale! I HATE the modern day premise... with modern day premise, they'll kill off Rapunzel's story!!! So I hope Glen Keane and Disney understand what all people want (a very classical fairy tale!) and they'll change the plot!!!

Rumpelstiltskin, "Rapunzel" will be in theaters in Summer 2010, according to Blue Sky Disney Blog! Here the news: http://blueskydisney.blogspot.com/2007/ ... -hair.html


Disney must to create a great Rapunzel classical fairy tale!!! A great timeless fairy tale, not a modern day fairy tale!!!

I want a very classical story of Rapunzel not a sort of Enchanted in reverse!!!!