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from what article is that picture from? and what event?
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I've found it on a foreign forum.
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The picture is beautiful, and did anyone notice that the guy sitting there is Glen Keane? I guess this was taken at a Disney only presentation.
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hey guys,
i am back
i was very busy so that's why i was gone for a while
but here i am again

but on rapunzel:
i ABSOLUTLY love that picture!
it is so beautiful
very VERY nice
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i definitely agree, i hope that the movie looks something like that because its beautifully original :D
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Wow, that artwork is gorgeous, and it's great to see Glen at the drawing board. :D
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Ok ... sorry for the off-topicness, but ENIGMAWING!!! You're back!! :D
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This isn't disney ralated but i found this video.
i wish i could draw that way...
anyway ,the characters are based on the ones from rapunzel (unbraided)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMKJ_d5OB0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9hi_ukqFIU
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Those were pretty cute :)
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Hello, ladies and gentlemen!

I’m an italian writer for cinema and television, so I’m very interesting in the scenario of a movie.

I read on the web what people said about the main plot of Disney’s “Rapunzel”. I don’t love this plot, it’s an absurd and stupid plot. I’m very very disappointed. I know that what I read is just a little part of the movie but the premise is terrible: Disney is making a great mistake! Let me explain my idea: I really think that Disney must to make a classical adaptation of this beloved fairy tale without modern references! People want a classical version and NOT the modern-day storyline about the frustrated witch who transformed two romantically-challenged teens into Rapunzel and her Prince. This is an horrible story!!! Disney is denying herself and the great tradition of classical movies!!!
If you study fairy tales (and also Disney’s fairy tales), you’ll see that fairy tales are setting in a far away kingdom in far-off times! Fairy tale must to have NOTHING of modern day references! This is the first rule to make a great fairy tale movie.
Rapunzel is a very short fairy tale and it’s difficult to make a traditional version of this story. It’s difficult but not impossible!

Disney must to retold the plot.
In the first place, Rapunzel MUST TO BE Rapunzel and the Prince MUST TO BE the Prince! People hate the stupid idea about Claire and Vincent who are transformed into Rapunzel and the Prince! It’s a story without sense! This story recall me the horrible part of “Scooby-Doo” (the live action movie) in which Daphne, Velma, Fred, Sheggy and Scooby swap their bodies!!! I hate this idea!!!!
In actually Disney version, Rapunzel and her Prince are only abstact figures… if Glen Keane want that the name of the main character will be Claire, he must make this: Claire is the birthname of the heroine and Rapunzel is the nickname created by the evil witch (it’s the same solution adopted for Disney’s “Spleeping Beauty”). There is no other solution.
The Prince… oh my God! I watched concept art of the Prince and he is terrible, he is very ugly! The Prince in a classical fairy tale must to be Prince Charming, not the horrible fat pizza boy that all people have seen in concept art!!! The Prince must to be an handsome boy, a dream Prince!
I hope the modern version about snobbish girl and pizza boy will be scrapped!!! People today don’t love spoof of classical fairy tales; Disney create already a spoof of fairy tales with “Enchanted”. So with “Rapunzel” Disney must to go away from parody onto classical fairy tale. A story developed
through modern day and fairy tale worlds is the central subject of “Enchanted” and if Disney will create “Rapunzel” with a journey into a fairy tale world, “Rapunzel” will be a simply copy of “Enchanted” and this is a great mistake and people will confuse Enchanted and Rapunzel.
No! Disney MUST create a very fairy tale!!!
I think that Disney must to make Rapunzel, not a “Wizard of Oz” copy, not a “Alice in Wonderland” copy, not a “Narnia” copy… Disney must to create Rapunzel!!!

About the storyline, I try to explain what I think will be a great synopses… I imagine a very classical plotline who speak to modern audiences…
In MY VERSION of the story, the movie is setting in a lush country (similar to France of XVIII century), Rapunzel is a pure, perfect heroine: she is beautiful, sweet, kind-heart and she is a dreamer girl: she is imprisoned into a huge tower/in a forest and she want to be free (similar to Jasmine)! One day she meets an handsome knight, who is really the Prince, but he don’t reveal her that he is a Prince… she thinks that he’s a simply knight or a simply hunter. They fall in love (this scene is too important and must to be very romantic: their eye must meets, their heart must beat fast, the scene is full of love and passion).
I imagine Rapunzel and her Prince will live a star-crossed Romeo-and-Juliet romance and their families (for her, the witch, for him the king) were hell-bent on keeping them apart.
So I’d create a scene with Prince climbs up the tower and they kiss at the window/balcony of the tower (a scene similar to Romeo and Juliet scene).
The beginning of my story is very similar by the Brothers Grimms story… but I change the second part of the story (and I found my ispiration in another fairy tale by Brothers Grimm, “Maid Maleen” which is a similar version of “Rapunzel”)… when the witch discovers secret love between Rapunzel and the Prince, and she blind the Prince and Rapunzel remain prisoner of the tower.
The king (who is an old and authoritarian king) want to abdicate in favor of his son, but he want that his son will marry the daughter of a rich Baroness. The Prince refuses to marry the daughter of the Baroness because he is in love with Rapunzel, but the two woman convince the king to wall Rapunzel in the tower because Rapunzel is the cause of Prince’s blindness.
The king orders that Rapunzel is locked up in her tower, so many knights of the king wall Rapunzel in her tower.
Rapunzel discovers the way to escape from the tower with the help of her squirrel and fairies.
Out of her tower, she want to reunite with ther true love. So she begin a difficult journey to search her true love.
At the Castle, the Prince is blackmailed to marry the daughter of the Baroness in order to free and protect Rapunzel (he don’t know that the king walled Rapunzel into the tower). The mother of the future bride know that her daughter is hideously ugly: they want to have power so they scheme to have the throne.
One day, Rapunzel come to Prince’s castle and she is forced to participate at the complot of the evil Baroness. The Baroness sends Rapunzel in place of her daughter at the engagement ball because she don’t want that the court sees the face of her ugly daughter!
At the engagement ball, Rapunzel discovers that the mysterious knight is the Prince! She discovers the terrible blackmail and she reveals her true identity at the Prince. Two tears of the heroine make a miracle: the tears touche Prince’s eyes and he see again.
So Prince and Rapunzel are reunited and they reveal the scheme of the Baroness against the king.
Rapunzel and her Prince must battle the evil witch who was at the ball and the final battle is coming…
At the end, the Baroness and her evil daughter are send in exile, the king recognize the heart nobility of Rapunzel and the king name her Princess, so Rapunzel and her Prince can live happily ever after.

What do you think about my subject of the movie???? I know that it’s only a preliminary work, so I must to work again on this plot (especially on the witch).

I would like to know what do you think and also suggestions, critics, what do you love or what do you dislike about my version.

Thank you very much.
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Welcome, Snow White! You are a writer? From Italy? How cool! Just to let you know, many people from America say cool to mean impressive. Cool once meant calm, but somehow it turned into a word to mean good and liked very much.

I hope that you will understand what I say easily. And I hope that nothing I say sounds strange or offensive.

First, I would like to tell you that Disney has decided to the change the story back to the original fairy tale. It will be done more like the traditional classic you wanted. If you read the last few pages of this thread, you may learn more about the change in plot.

That means that your script might not be usable at Disney, because you are writing a fairy tale version of Rapunzel and they are also. But, that doesn't mean we would not like to hear your ideas. Sometimes people come up with things better than Disney does.

I will quote things that you say and respond to them directly.
Snow White wrote:In actually Disney version, Rapunzel and her Prince are only abstact figures… if Glen Keane want that the name of the main character will be Claire, he must make this: Claire is the birthname of the heroine and Rapunzel is the nickname created by the evil witch (it’s the same solution adopted for Disney’s “Spleeping Beauty”). There is no other solution.
I agree, and that might be what they do. But I hope they stay with the original story and have the mother name her daughter Rapunzel because of the rapunzel she ate while she was pregnant.
Snow White wrote:The Prince… oh my God! I watched concept art of the Prince and he is terrible, he is very ugly! The Prince in a classical fairy tale must to be Prince Charming, not the horrible fat pizza boy that all people have seen in concept art!!! The Prince must to be an handsome boy, a dream Prince!
I know that in every fairy tale the pincess falls in love with a handsome prince, but I found your comment to be cruel. People who are overweight or are not very beautiful might be sad to see only the beautiful people starring in movies and falling in love. Sometimes people who are overweight have problems that prevent them from being thin as other people. So if Disney didn't have the usual handsome lead get the beautiful girl, that might be seen as something positive for less beautiful people, because beautiful people are rare, and more people look like the pizza boy! People may actually applaud Disney for not inflicting the idea that you have to be beautiful to star in something or get to be with the person you want.
Snow White wrote:In MY VERSION of the story, the movie is setting in a lush country (similar to France of XVIII century)
That sounds nice, but France has been used already. It is not proven, but evidence suggests that Disney's Cinderella is set in 18th century France, and Disney's Beauty and the Beast is known to be set in France. I would suggest a different location. I read that it is a German fairy tale, so maybe it should be in Germany, even though Disney's Snow White was set in Germany, it is only in that one film.
Snow White wrote:Rapunzel is a pure, perfect heroine: she is beautiful, sweet, kind-heart and she is a dreamer girl: she is imprisoned into a huge tower/in a forest and she want to be free (similar to Jasmine)! One day she meets an handsome knight, who is really the Prince, but he don’t reveal her that he is a Prince… she thinks that he’s a simply knight or a simply hunter.
This sounds a little like Sleeping Beauty's story. Rapunzel is kept hidden from the world, like Briar Rose was kept hidden, and she meets a prince who she doesn't know is a prince.
Snow White wrote:They fall in love (this scene is too important and must to be very romantic: their eye must meets, their heart must beat fast, the scene is full of love and passion).
I like that! Disney has never done it like that before! We've never heard the beating heart or seen much passion from two characters in love in a Disney film. It might make their love for each other more believable and when they are far apart, more unbearable. Sounds good!
Snow White wrote:I imagine Rapunzel and her Prince will live a star-crossed Romeo-and-Juliet romance and their families (for her, the witch, for him the king) were hell-bent on keeping them apart.
That is an interesting turn, but I feel too many stories are based on Romeo and Juliet.
Snow White wrote:The beginning of my story is very similar by the Brothers Grimms story… but I change the second part of the story (and I found my ispiration in another fairy tale by Brothers Grimm, “Maid Maleen” which is a similar version of “Rapunzel”)
I don't think you should cross two fairy tales to make one. I don't know the plot of "Maid Madleen", but I would not rely heavily on it.
Snow White wrote:The king (who is an old and authoritarian king) want to abdicate in favor of his son, but he want that his son will marry the daughter of a rich Baroness. The Prince refuses to marry the daughter of the Baroness because he is in love with Rapunzel, but the two woman convince the king to wall Rapunzel in the tower because Rapunzel is the cause of Prince’s blindness.
Do you mean the witch talks to the king and wants Rapunzel walled up? I thought the witch loved Rapunzel so much she wouldn't do that, unless she is angry at Rapunzel for seeing a stranger. Will she still try to visit Rapunzel in the tower, maybe by using magic to go through the wall?
Snow White wrote:The king orders that Rapunzel is locked up in her tower, so many knights of the king wall Rapunzel in her tower.
Rapunzel discovers the way to escape from the tower with the help of her squirrel and fairies.
Out of her tower, she want to reunite with ther true love. So she begin a difficult journey to search her true love.
Interesting use of the squirrel and fairies! They will be able to help her with some things she needs! I also like that she goes on a journey to find the Prince. It encourages girls to take control of their situation.
Snow White wrote:At the Castle, the Prince is blackmailed to marry the daughter of the Baroness in order to free and protect Rapunzel (he don’t know that the king walled Rapunzel into the tower). The mother of the future bride know that her daughter is hideously ugly: they want to have power so they scheme to have the throne.
Oh, why do we have to make someone ugly be so bad? It will hurt people who are not beautiful if they see a movie where ugly people are treated so badly. The daughter should just be very wicked or something she can change. People can't change their looks easily and it's not their fault they look the way they do.
Snow White wrote:One day, Rapunzel come to Prince’s castle and she is forced to participate at the complot of the evil Baroness. The Baroness sends Rapunzel in place of her daughter at the engagement ball because she don’t want that the court sees the face of her ugly daughter!
This is very interesting, but I don't think it should have anything to do with her being ugly.
Snow White wrote:At the engagement ball, Rapunzel discovers that the mysterious knight is the Prince! She discovers the terrible blackmail and she reveals her true identity at the Prince. Two tears of the heroine make a miracle: the tears touche Prince’s eyes and he see again.
So Prince and Rapunzel are reunited and they reveal the scheme of the Baroness against the king.
Rapunzel and her Prince must battle the evil witch who was at the ball and the final battle is coming…
At the end, the Baroness and her evil daughter are send in exile, the king recognize the heart nobility of Rapunzel and the king name her Princess, so Rapunzel and her Prince can live happily ever after.
I'm glad your ending is close to the original fairy tale. I see you did not include the twins Rapunzel bears. That might be better for a Disney film because the twins suggested Rapunzel had sex with the prince and Disney should not teach children to have sex and bear children when they are so young!

Your story needs work. I don't understand why the Baroness is so bad for the king. How does her plan hurt the king? And I will say again that I hope the plot is not based too much on "Maid Madleen".
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Hello, Disney Duster!

I appreciate your opinions about my version of the story... Yes I must to work again... today I'm very busy... I'm writing a scenario for a television serial...

I try to rework especially the final part of the script...

For your opinion... yes, France has been used many times in disney's movies, also German (Snow White, Pinocchio are set in Bavaria) so I change and I think a great set could be Italy, North Italy has many beautiful castles and forests... a great set for Rapunzel!
About the Prince, I think that Prince must to be charming and not a overweight Prince (I know, my comment has been cruel and I'm sorry!).. I think that a fat Prince isn't a good idea for a fairy tale because fairy tales are differents to real life, fairy tales must make to dream so I think a good looking Prince is necessary... and I recall you that a Prince not Charming is the Beast and I think the Frog in "The Princess and the Frog", so I think that Rapunzel's Prince must to be different and Charming... do you agree?

For the part of the ugly Princess, yes I'll change the story next week... ok? And I'll tryto change a little the story...


For Disney's Rapunzel I read that the plot isn't changed... it's only a rumor that it will be a classical fairy tale and "Rapunzel" will have a classical approach, but there will be the modern day boy and girl... so this is what people know in Europe...

So, I read that there isn't pop culture elements... what means pop culture? modern parodistical gags or modern age?


Thank you very much!!!!

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Isn't it true that Kristin Chenowith is voicing Rapunzel? I think I read that somewhere, but I'm not sure of whether it was accurate or not. Thanks if anyone can answer.
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TheSequelofDisney wrote:Isn't it true that Kristin Chenowith is voicing Rapunzel? I think I read that somewhere, but I'm not sure of whether it was accurate or not. Thanks if anyone can answer.
I've read that too. Here it is on imdb.com
She is an amazing choice. One of the best broadways singers of our time and so lovely and sweet. If you watch interviews with her, you feel like she's the nicest person on the planet.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0398286/
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Hello Snow White!!!!

I'm italian too!!!

Your version of Rapunzel is my dream!!! I love and I want a Classical version of Rapunzel!!! So I hope Disney will listen your version!

I know Italian people are very romantical... and I'm also skeptic about the modern day version of Rapunzel... We'll see...



Here a little news about Rapunzel (thank you to David Gilson aka Prince Kido who signaled the news)!!!

From BlueSkyDisney Blog:

At a recent Walt Disney Animation Studios meeting, Glen Keane, co-director of the new Rapunzel film commented how the new structure of feature animation that new leaders Ed Catmull and John Lasseter have instituted has greatly improved the story for Rapunzel. In fact, everyone seems to be excited about the new emphasis on story.

We all know that the creedo in Pixar is "Story is God" and it appears that WDAS are new converts. The atmosphere is decidedly upbeat. Glen and co-director Dean Wellins are moving ahead with the story, which is up on reels. The "Story Trust" of Disney and "Brain Trust" of Pixar have contributed valuable assistance to the second and third acts of the film. The first act is relatively the same as Lasseter fully approved of it earlier in the year.

Rapunzel is tentatively scheduled to be the Summer 2010 release for Walt Disney Animation Studios. I'm counting the seconds...




So, Rapunzel will be in theatres in 2010...

I hope Disney will show us images or concept art before the 2010 and also a characters list with qualities of main characters (like it happened to "The Princess and the Frog" in november 2006)...
If you read on the web, people want to watch new images or concept from Rapunzel and people want to know just a little qualities of main characters in Rapunzel... so all people hope Disney show something...

Please Disney, show and say something about Rapunzel!!! To expect until 2010 is too exaggerated!!!!
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What I really hope they do with this movie is give the witch an original design. Please, Disney, we don't need another ugly and old, mutated witch in the canon. Make her younger, or at least in her thirties, with blonde hair or something different. Being plump isn't so bad, but not outrageously so. To me, if the witch is an uninteresting cliche, the whole movie's ruined.

And, from one version I've seen of Rapunzel, the witch locks the girl up in the tower because she doesn't want her to be corrupted by men. I'd like them to give the villainess depth like that. Also, Rapunzel wasn't in any way a princess. She was the daughter of common parents who accidentally stole things from a witch.
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Disney's Divinity wrote:Rapunzel wasn't in any way a princess.
Well didn't she marry the prince at the end of the story? :? :P
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Well didn't she marry the prince at the end of the story?
I meant beforehand. And the movie hasn't come out, so she's not a princess yet! :wink:

Also, I don't know if you watch Desperate Housewives, but that picture of Rapunzel in your signature reminds me of Julie Mayer (Susan's daughter).
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You're right Disney's Divinity! I knew she looked like someone, I just couldn't find who!
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Hi, Snow White!

I did not no Pinocchio was supposed to be set in Germany. In fact, some of us have discussed what we think the location is, here. I don't know if it is Italy or Germany, unless you know something official I do not.

But Italy sounds nice and original for this fairy tale! And you live there, so you would know. I don't know what Italy is like, so I can't say whether I think it's perfect for Rapunzel or not. If I had to choose, I might make it Germany because Rapunzel originated their (I think), but Italy is so romantic and unique, I could easily adapt to that!

For a prince to be charming, he could have charm in his personality, and Disney's movie will be better if the basis of their attraction is from the prince's charisma and what he does. Maybe being overweight is too non-traditional. And it would be hard for him to climb her hair ( :lol: ). He can be in shape, and maybe even see him getting in shape to encourage the audience to do the same. But he shouldn't be perfect, because everyone has flaws and can't be perfect. Being perfect will make imperfect people feel nice about themselves and relate to him better.

I agree that the Beast and a prince who is a frog are not typical charming princes, but they turn into charming princes in the end to live happily ever after. That is like saying you have to be perfect to be happy in the end. I would like it if Rapunzel's prince was charming, but not too perfect.

It will be hard to change something of the ugly princess, I admit. Maybe the daughter does NOT want to marry the prince, so the Baroness makes Rapunzel pretend to be her daughter. Perhaps the Baroness amkes a deal with Raounzel. She can be with the prince if she pretends that the Baroness is her mother, and leads her to power. Do you like that?

If you heard the plot was not changed but I read it was, then I do not know for sure. I will trust my sources that said the story changed back to a fairy tale, but you don't have to agree. We won't know until Disney officially announces it.

I think when people say pop culture elements they usually mean parts that come from or reference modern and popular culture. In the case of children's movies recently, they usually have popular culture references as gags and jokes.
Disney's Divinity wrote:And, from one version I've seen of Rapunzel, the witch locks the girl up in the tower because she doesn't want her to be corrupted by men. I'd like them to give the villainess depth like that.
I would like depth, too, and I particularly like that example. What version was that you saw?

You know, after a man stole from her garden, you could say the witch took the baby away as protection from a criminal father.
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