Any slight changes on the beauty and the beast dvd?

[Sethp]

What I'm refering to is the kind of changes that was done with the lion king. The waterfall in the scene when Simba and Nala are taking there romantic strole for instance.

Where changes like this made in Beauty and the beast?
Are they still in the film when you select the theatrical cut?

[Jack]

Here are the ones I know of:

- The color has been changed in a lot of scenes, and everything has been brightened up throughout the film.

- The ballroom during the sequence where Beast & Belle dance has been considerably altered in terms of brightness and color. In the original, it was darker and more dirty. The reason for this change was because of the newly-added Human Again sequence, where all the enchanted objects clean up the ballroom. Although the HA sequence is not included in the so-called "Original Theatrical Version", the change to the ballroom is there in both versions.

- When Belle is allowed to leave the castle to look for her father, you hear the Beast roar in agony from his West Wing. Sounds of the Beast throwing and breaking things has been added, again because of the HA sequence, to explain the dirtiness of the castle later in the film.

[Sethp]

Ok, thanks for the info,

Guess I'll buy a copy of the Laserdisc when I get a chance.

[Mushu2083]

Well you may be able to find the BATB DVD at a Disney Store if you have one near you. I found some at mine and I found some at Blockbuster Video. If you find one at Blockbuster though, beware you may have to pay more for it. I had to pay $24.99 (before tax) for mine. It was worth it though. I can't remember how many times I watched the movie on VHS before I had to give it up to my nine year old cousin because my mom and aunt thought I was "too old" for Disney movies. 20 years old is NOT too old for Disney movies.

[rodis]

Here are the ones I know of:

- The color has been changed in a lot of scenes, and everything has been brightened up throughout the film.

- The ballroom during the sequence where Beast & Belle dance has been considerably altered in terms of brightness and color. In the original, it was darker and more dirty. The reason for this change was because of the newly-added Human Again sequence, where all the enchanted objects clean up the ballroom. Although the HA sequence is not included in the so-called "Original Theatrical Version", the change to the ballroom is there in both versions.

- When Belle is allowed to leave the castle to look for her father, you hear the Beast roar in agony from his West Wing. Sounds of the Beast throwing and breaking things has been added, again because of the HA sequence, to explain the dirtiness of the castle later in the film.

Ummm that's interesting. I so want a DVD set

When you say the color has been changed - you mean REALLY changed? Like brown is now gray and such? I thought that with the colors they only brightened them...

[Disney Guru]

Well you may be able to find the BATB DVD at a Disney Store if you have one near you. I found some at mine and I found some at Blockbuster Video. If you find one at Blockbuster though, beware you may have to pay more for it. I had to pay $24.99 (before tax) for mine. It was worth it though. I can't remember how many times I watched the movie on VHS before I had to give it up to my nine year old cousin because my mom and aunt thought I was "too old" for Disney movies. 20 years old is NOT too old for Disney movies.

You know what. You are never to old for Disney movies. I think that is plain stuped and dumb that your mom and your Aunt told you that you should give it to him before you are to young for it. You should have asked why. I know that you should never talk back to your parents. But still you should have had the right to choose wether you gave it up or not. I have a huge Video and DVD Collection and I would not give away any of my Disney movies no matter what anybody said. They are my pride and joy and it has taken me to long to get them. I mean you bought it with your own money and you have the right to keep it if you want to and sell it if you want to. But I agree the DVD Is pretty expensive.

[rodis]

You know what. You are never to old for Disney movies. I think that is plain stuped and dumb that your mom and your Aunt told you that you should give it to him before you are to young for it. You should have asked why. I know that you should never talk back to your parents. But still you should have had the right to choose wether you gave it up or not. I have a huge Video and DVD Collection and I would not give away any of my Disney movies no matter what anybody said. They are my pride and joy and it has taken me to long to get them. I mean you bought it with your own money and you have the right to keep it if you want to and sell it if you want to. But I agree the DVD Is pretty expensive.

I totally agree. I'm never gonna let anyone have my Disney tapes, NEVER EVER!! Don't care if I'm 80. I have them since I was 5 so why would I suddenly want to give them to my 10 year-old cousin and watch them get ruined by him. And even if he doesn't ruin them, THEY'RE MINE. Hell, and I'm never too old to watch Disney film. On the contrary, watching it today, I find much more to appreciate in the picture, I pay more attention to detail and am delighted at those masterpieces. Sorry, but they "Can't Take That Away From Me"

[Disney Guru]

You know what. You are never to old for Disney movies. I think that is plain stuped and dumb that your mom and your Aunt told you that you should give it to him before you are to young for it. You should have asked why. I know that you should never talk back to your parents. But still you should have had the right to choose wether you gave it up or not. I have a huge Video and DVD Collection and I would not give away any of my Disney movies no matter what anybody said. They are my pride and joy and it has taken me to long to get them. I mean you bought it with your own money and you have the right to keep it if you want to and sell it if you want to. But I agree the DVD Is pretty expensive.

I totally agree. I'm never gonna let anyone have my Disney tapes, NEVER EVER!! Don't care if I'm 80. I have them since I was 5 so why would I suddenly want to give them to my 10 year-old cousin and watch them get ruined by him. And even if he doesn't ruin them, THEY'RE MINE. Hell, and I'm never too old to watch Disney film. On the contrary, watching it today, I find much more to appreciate in the picture, I pay more attention to detail and am delighted at those masterpieces. Sorry, but they "Can't Take That Away From Me"

I agree with you all the way. As Charlie Chan would say.

Give Disney To Cousin Make Very Bad Day!

[Jack]

When you say the color has been changed - you mean REALLY changed? Like brown is now gray and such? I thought that with the colors they only brightened them...

No, it's not that drastic. But, for example, scenes that had a more blue-ish tone to them before, now have a somewhat warmer tone - things like that. And pretty much the entire movie has been brightened.

[Loomis]

Here are the ones I know of:

- The color has been changed in a lot of scenes, and everything has been brightened up throughout the film[...]

Hmmm...I can't say that I knew about this, although I guess it is obvious when you think about it (being an IMAX restoration and all).

Now, this brings about an interesting question - the fine line between "restoration" and "fiddling".

I see restoration as a process that improves upon a film that is fading or deteriorating to the point that it is slowly becoming unwatchable. I see this as a preservation process. Look at something like Hitchcock's Vertigo. The supplements on that DVD show them going back and finding the original paint samples from the cars used and using them to touch up the colour palette in the film. Personally, I am fine with that as it is really "restoration", and not "reintegration" or "replacement". From all reports, Alice in Wonderland is a perfect example of this. From the description here, B & TB seems to fit into this category.

Fiddling on the other hand, is what George Lucas does, and what they did with Lion King. Inserting things that weren't originally there, changing other things. In and of itself, I don't have a problem with it. I do have a problem when the original version is no longer available. You'd like to think the the vision of the original creators - or at least the version you remember watching in the theatres - will be the one you get to keep forever...

But alas...

[Jack]

I see restoration as a process that improves upon a film that is fading or deteriorating to the point that it is slowly becoming unwatchable. I see this as a preservation process.

From the description here, B & TB seems to fit into this category.

Actually, I'd say BATB goes beyond restoration when they mess with the brightness and the colors. If you want to see a good comparison of this, look inside the BATB insert, and it has two boxes next to each other: one that says 'restored', and the other 'original print'. The OP has a subdued, cool blue pallet, whereas the "restoration" has a really warm, gold hue to it - its obvious that they are not just preventing deteriorating, they are changing the scene. They aren't doing this just for the purpose of restoration - they are doing it because of the Human Again sequence in which the castle is cleaned.

As you mentioned, Vertigo, along with Rear Window, are perfect examples of what a restoration should be - making the original print look pristine and keeping the colors the way they had originally been displayed.

[Loomis]

Actually, I'd say BATB goes beyond restoration when they mess with the brightness and the colors. If you want to see a good comparison of this, look inside the BATB insert, and it has two boxes next to each other: one that says 'restored', and the other 'original print'. The OP has a subdued, cool blue pallet, whereas the "restoration" has a really warm, gold hue to it - its obvious that they are not just preventing deteriorating, they are changing the scene

Ok. I don't really have a copy of the older version so I didn't realise it was that bad. That is an entirely different story.

That is "fiddling" then I guess. Because the hues, filters and colour pallet used are incredibly important in creating the atmosphere of the film. I do vaguely recall the original theatrical version being a lot darker, and that is quite an important element in the story.

Again, it is a shame because the original version is forever lost to future generations. Ok, maybe not forever, but for a long time, and the likelihood of changing is very slim.

[Joe Carioca]

Here are the ones I know of:

- The color has been changed in a lot of scenes, and everything has been brightened up throughout the film.

- The ballroom during the sequence where Beast & Belle dance has been considerably altered in terms of brightness and color. In the original, it was darker and more dirty. The reason for this change was because of the newly-added Human Again sequence, where all the enchanted objects clean up the ballroom. Although the HA sequence is not included in the so-called "Original Theatrical Version", the change to the ballroom is there in both versions.

- When Belle is allowed to leave the castle to look for her father, you hear the Beast roar in agony from his West Wing. Sounds of the Beast throwing and breaking things has been added, again because of the HA sequence, to explain the dirtiness of the castle later in the film.

Hey, Jack, the changes are much more significant than thOse you mentioned. And for the ballroom scene, they didn't "brightened" it because the servants had cleaned the room – these color changes were made through the entire movie. Yes, I think the film looks gorgeous, but I though some scenes looked somewhat artificial in terms of color – something that, thankfully, never happens in the special edition of “The Lion King”.

Other significant (or not so) changes in the movie:
-The “Silver Screen Partners” card at the beginning was replaced by another one saying “The Special Edition Of”. None of them appear on the DVD, though.
-In the prologue, the rose shines differently.
-The “Beauty and the Beast” title card now fills the whole screen.
-The Beast line “You wanna, you wanna stay in the tower?” was corrected to “You wanna stay in the tower?”
-During the song “Gaston”, Gaston’s chair mysteriously disappears. They even mention it in the audio commentary.
-The ending of “Something There” has all new backgrounds and new animation linking the original movie and the “Human Again” sequence.
-Since the servants of the castle clean the Beast’s room during the “Human Again” sequence, the sequences in the West Wing that precede the song have been cleaned up. Before, the room was all messy, now it is all clean, the curtains, mirrors and furniture are all fixed. When Belle leaves the castle, they added sound effects of the Beast destroying the furniture, so that’s why when Gaston enters Beast’s room, it is all messy again.
-Cogsworth has an alternate animation for his line "Yes yes yes, but... why?"
-This is something funny… Just pay attention to the Prince’s trousers in the part where Lumiere is turned into a human.
-The end credits have been modified to accommodate the names of those who worked on the special edition of the film. After the pop version of “Beauty and the Beast” ends, we can also hear an alternate version of the soundtrack for the transformation scene, which also appears on the second disc, introduced by Alan Menken.

I know there can be more changes, but I hope this helps!

[MickeyMouseboy]

also in the IMAX version the when the camera pulls in the castle there's a extended part when there's only one cut instead of two and the camera just keeps pulling to the tower ::cut:: stained window which never made it onto the DVD and not many people noticed.

[2099net]

Here are the ones I know of:

- The color has been changed in a lot of scenes, and everything has been brightened up throughout the film.

- The ballroom during the sequence where Beast & Belle dance has been considerably altered in terms of brightness and color. In the original, it was darker and more dirty. The reason for this change was because of the newly-added Human Again sequence, where all the enchanted objects clean up the ballroom. Although the HA sequence is not included in the so-called "Original Theatrical Version", the change to the ballroom is there in both versions.

- When Belle is allowed to leave the castle to look for her father, you hear the Beast roar in agony from his West Wing. Sounds of the Beast throwing and breaking things has been added, again because of the HA sequence, to explain the dirtiness of the castle later in the film.

Hey, Jack, the changes are much more significant than thOse you mentioned. And for the ballroom scene, they didn't "brightened" it because the servants had cleaned the room – these color changes were made through the entire movie. Yes, I think the film looks gorgeous, but I though some scenes looked somewhat artificial in terms of color – something that, thankfully, never happens in the special edition of “The Lion King”.

Other significant (or not so) changes in the movie:
-The “Silver Screen Partners” card at the beginning was replaced by another one saying “The Special Edition Of”. None of them appear on the DVD, though.

This is on the PAL DVD

-In the prologue, the rose shines differently.

I Believe the effects around the rose are altered throughout the film.

-The “Beauty and the Beast” title card now fills the whole screen.
-The Beast line “You wanna, you wanna stay in the tower?” was corrected to “You wanna stay in the tower?”
-During the song “Gaston”, Gaston’s chair mysteriously disappears. They even mention it in the audio commentary.
-The ending of “Something There” has all new backgrounds and new animation linking the original movie and the “Human Again” sequence.
-Since the servants of the castle clean the Beast’s room during the “Human Again” sequence, the sequences in the West Wing that precede the song have been cleaned up. Before, the room was all messy, now it is all clean, the curtains, mirrors and furniture are all fixed. When Belle leaves the castle, they added sound effects of the Beast destroying the furniture, so that’s why when Gaston enters Beast’s room, it is all messy again.
-Cogsworth has an alternate animation for his line "Yes yes yes, but... why?"
-This is something funny… Just pay attention to the Prince’s trousers in the part where Lumiere is turned into a human.
-The end credits have been modified to accommodate the names of those who worked on the special edition of the film. After the pop version of “Beauty and the Beast” ends, we can also hear an alternate version of the soundtrack for the transformation scene, which also appears on the second disc, introduced by Alan Menken.

I know there can be more changes, but I hope this helps!

As for the colours, there's two ways of looking at this. One is the "new" colours reflect the original art more (it was impossible to transfer the colours onto a film print) and the other is, yes, it was impossible to transfer the colours onto film at the time, but the artists knew this and compensated, ie. they made the colours brighter on purpose, but never intended the colours to be seen.

I strongly believe the colours were never meant to be as strong and vivid as they are on the DVD. I use, as my argument, the scenes where the Beast is in shadow. On the original version you cannot clearly see the Beast until he "steps into the light", while on the new DVD you can see him all the time (making the dramatic "step into the light" sequence redundant).

A better comparison of the old vs new colours can be made by watching the trailers on the disc - these all show the "unrestored" film elements.

[rodis]

-Since the servants of the castle clean the Beast’s room during the “Human Again” sequence, the sequences in the West Wing that precede the song have been cleaned up. Before, the room was all messy, now it is all clean, the curtains, mirrors and furniture are all fixed. When Belle leaves the castle, they added sound effects of the Beast destroying the furniture, so that’s why when Gaston enters Beast’s room, it is all messy again.

Wait a minute... in what scene do we get to see the West Wing cleaned up? They clean up the room in the Human Again sequence and right after it's the ballroom scene, isn't it?

I'm dying to see the SE of the movie. I love when they do major changes to the films (visually enhancing it).

[Joe Carioca]

They clean the West Wing during "Human Again"... I mean, the Beast's room is in the west wing, isn't it?

[Jack]

IMO, the changes to the color on the SE are too drastic to explain away by saying "that may be what they originally intended". I find it hard to believe that they originally weren't able to translate a gold pallet on screen and had to settle for a blue one.

[rodis]

They clean the West Wing during "Human Again"... I mean, the Beast's room is in the west wing, isn't it?

Yep, but I don't recall seeing it again between Human Again and when Guston enters... Or maybe you're talking about the part where he lets Belle use the magic mirror??

[Sethp]

Well you may be able to find the BATB DVD at a Disney Store if you have one near you.

I can't remember how many times I watched the movie on VHS before I had to give it up to my nine year old cousin because my mom and aunt thought I was "too old" for Disney movies. 20 years old is NOT too old for Disney movies.

I Allready have the dvd:) I dunno if there are any Disney Stores in sweden actually. I'm getting the Laserdisc in order to get the original version of the film.

PS. You're never to old for a Disney-movie, anyone who thinks that is just stupid