"Hello and welcome to the forum.
Must correct you a little only in you above statement.
The censorship to Fantasia was DONE on Walts own demands, during his lifetime."
Well, there are arguments that supoprt that, and arguments that counter that.
The DVD states that the Centaurettes were cut in 1969. It also says it cannot explain why the 1969 version has the same running time as the 1947 version.
Well, 1947 is the year after the NAACP protests of Song of the South in 1946. It would make perfect sense for Walt Disney to alter Fantaisa at that time, and that would explain why the 1947 version and the 1969 version have the same running time.
What it doesn't explain is why the unaltered Pastorale aired on television in the 50's.
Lets Get Pastoral Symphony On Treasures!
Ernest Rister wrote:
Because you're not black. How do I know? Your question is all I need.
Let that sink in before you respond.
You were not born a young African-American.
What you know about that?
Is it God I´m talking to here! Oh, so I´m infantile suddenly. Such a news! I´m not the one in kiddish fashion trying to make every ones opinion my own!Ernest Rister wrote:Oh, please - spare me this infantile argument. If you want to learn about cultural racism in the 30's and 40's, there are hordes of examples at your beck and call, just on the internet alone. What possible knowledge is gained by adding the black centaurettes in Fantasia to the thousands of examples? The truth is, you just want to have a rare item. The centaurette footage is no different than a rare coin or a rare baseball card or a rare postage stamp. You don't give a damn about who it might hurt or offend or damage, you just want your rare precious item. Spare me the pathetic argument that we will gain some important new insight to American culture by seeing racist ethnic stereotypes in the "Pastorale" sequence of Fantasia.
Such a good language you use here! And which right do you have to blaze down on me because I´m a Disney fan? What are you doing here yourself if not? I didn´t claim that I know Walts mind, I said that I don´t think this should be hidden - so many people of today doesn´t understand that this was a "wrong" way of thinking back then.Ernest Rister wrote:Bull@#$%. You're a Disney fan who wants to own the rare footage no one else has. You don't care about Walt's "mind" or his wishes or his thoughts. You just lust after some rare piece of Disneyana and criticize Disney for not allowing you to own it, not giving a damn about who might be hurt in the process.
And you think YOU should be the one that´s telling me that I don´t care which one is hurt in a process - no, I REALLY see THAT in the way you address me in your posts.
Thank you noone has called me Einstein before - even though I know that you do it in a bad sence here!Ernest Rister wrote:No, Einstein. Modern German and Japanese Americans recognize the actions of their countries, forcing America to respond. They know why America identified their people as enemies.
Concludingly (is there such a word?) I must say that I have never met a more rude and ignorant person on this board.
The person do and speaks as he/she like, and doesn´t let any body else do, before he/she attacking with full force if their opinion goes against his/hers.
But maybe he/she have the right to do so - I only wish in a more subtle and pleasant way. I can only say that everybody must have their own opinion and must not be forced to think as this person do.
If they do - it´s perfectly OK - I do in some parts also think in likeminded ways, but I don´t buy the whole concept of his/hers speach.
For me this discussion has gone far enough, I had said what I wanted to say and that is not the same as my opponent here. And rememeber that I speak about hiding the part of the original Fantasia sequence from us - nothing else!
I still have my opinion and noone should address me like I´m nothing and use such a language to anyone her on the board as this person had done in his/her post to me recently.
I really feel that this person doesn´t belong here at all if he/she doesn´t shape up his/her manner a bit - but remember, that´s MY opinion
Oh, I just forgot something:
Some blame me for just being a Disney fan and only want this piece of Disneyania to add to my collection - just because of that I was not seeing how this should hurt and affect people.
I must say that this person is totally wrong.
I don´t heave up my opinion about this because of this matter.
Because I already have this scenes as they was made and put in the original Fantasia.
I don´t have it included in the complete film, no, but on other media than DVD and ordinary VHS.
So if that should have been the reason I could have been silent - but no, because this was an opinion of mine, not something I said just to gain material that I already have.
Mr. Rister's argument disturbs me. How on earth could anyone go through life not offending others, or not being offended by others. It's part of life. I understand the need to be sensitive to the feelings of others, but what's in the past is exactly that, IN THE PAST. We cannot learn from the mistakes of people before us by covering up the problems. I believe it is important to fully understand how these problems encompassed all of life, and by that I mean, not only what was read in the newspapers of the time and history books of today, but how everywhere you turned there were issues of inequality staring you in the face. Yes, this did even run over into the entertainment media, and it is important to know that. How else can you even begin to understand the hurt and anger of people that were mistreated during these times? If all we learn about is what is in books and not experience these instances for ourselves, perhaps we'll never completely grasp the extent these atrocities went to, and even worse, never think that what happened was all that bad.... 
