Lady and the Tramp's Villains

[Disneyfreak1990]

those aren't even villians. Si and Am are just jokers while Aunt Sarah was a bit ditzy. the Rat is the closest but it was just doing what rats do.
as for Dumbo i have a game called Disney's Villains' Revenge and the villains they have are The Queen, Captain Hook, The Queen of Hearts and The Ringleader so i guess The Ringleader was ment to be the villain of Dumbo.

[SpringHeelJack]

I would consider the ringmaster, other elephants, Aunt Sarah, Si & Am etc. to be more like atagonists than villains. Like, they hinder the protaganist, but they don't function in the typical villain that we all think of.

[Big Disney Fan]

I would consider the ringmaster, other elephants, Aunt Sarah, Si & Am etc. to be more like atagonists than villains. Like, they hinder the protaganist, but they don't function in the typical villain that we all think of.

At least where the ringmaster is concerned, I don't see him as a villain. He is trying to run a circus and as such, he is just doing what a ringmaster has to do. I mean, Mrs. Jumbo did go a bit berserk in trying to protect Dumbo and I don't think the ringmaster had any other choice when he had her imprisoned. He just had a job to do. Why, I'm sure a lot of ringmasters kind of had to do this in reality. Ringmasters have to control the circus animals, right? He was just trying to control his elephants here. And when Dumbo took flight, the ringmaster looked kind of impressed. And of course, by movie's end, Mrs. Jumbo is set free. So, no, the ringmaster is by no means a villain.

You know, perhaps we should set up a different thread on Dumbo's villains (or its lack thereof) and merge these two threads together. That is, if we can't rename the thread alone.

[Disney's Divinity]

I think the antagonists of Lady and the Tramp (along with those from Dumbo, Lady Tremaine, Frollo and several others) are far more satisfying because they aren't outrageously evil. They represent the subtle evils of everyday life that everyone deals with now and again. You're much more likely to meet an unfair stepmother or several gossips than you would an evil vizier or a wicked hag.

[pap64]

those aren't even villians. Si and Am are just jokers while Aunt Sarah was a bit ditzy. the Rat is the closest but it was just doing what rats do.
as for Dumbo i have a game called Disney's Villains' Revenge and the villains they have are The Queen, Captain Hook, The Queen of Hearts and The Ringleader so i guess The Ringleader was ment to be the villain of Dumbo.

I too remember seeing the ringmaster being listed as a villain! They even had character of him with his whip and an evil look on his face.

I thought that was so weird!

As for Lady and the Tramp...the movie had villains?!?

Just kidding! Although the movie is so lighthearted that I never even paid attention to the supposed villains.

[Big Disney Fan]

I too remember seeing the ringmaster being listed as a villain! They even had character of him with his whip and an evil look on his face.

I don't think the look on his face was evil, just furious. When he had used the whip against Mrs. Jumbo, he wasn't doing so out of spite; he was just trying to get Mrs. Jumbo under control when she went crazy trying to protect Dumbo from the boys that made fun of Dumbo's huge ears. Just because someone gets mad at someone when they do something they should not, that doesn't make the furious one evil.

Granted, the ringmaster did relocate Dumbo to the clowns' act, but again I don't think it was out of spite, it was probably a punishment for wrecking the circus when Dumbo accidentally ruined the elephant pyramid act. I think that if the ringmaster was a villain, he would not stand for the idea of the now-airborne-able Dumbo being able to fly and might have even tried to interfere with this idea of an elephant being able to fly. But he wasn't upset at the idea and he was impressed when he sees the midget pachyderm flying. Here's a shot showing what I mean:

http://www.animationarchive.net/Feature%20Films/Dumbo/Screen%20Caps%203/dumbo3646.jpg

Where evil is concerned, I think you're confusing the ringmaster from "Dumbo" with Stromboli from "Pinocchio". Now, Stromboli IS evil. But I digress.

[Disney-Fan]

You're much more likely to meet an unfair stepmother or several gossips than you would an evil vizier or a wicked hag.

You'd be surprised how many of those I've met in my lifetime.

[Prudence]

I've had this conversation with Disney fans, employees and others- What is a villain?

The definitive answer has seem to be- any character that impedes the progress of the protagonist. In English: the one that gets in the way of the good guy's happiness.

With this definition, Si, Am and Sarah all fill roles as Villain.

But with this definition, Prudence is also a villain, though she never directly speaks to the Tremaines.

[Billy Moon]

But with this definition, Prudence is also a villain.

Who, you?

[Prudence]

But with this definition, Prudence is also a villain.

Who, you?

The woman in my avatar.

[PixarFan2006]

I don't think LATT had any *true* villians. Its not rare for Disney not to have a Villian in its movies.

[Big Disney Fan]

I don't think LATT had any *true* villians. Its not rare for Disney not to have a Villian in its movies.

Especially in the more recent movies. Save for "Home On the Range" and "Meet the Robinsons", of course. And the Pirates trilogy, too.

[PeterPanfan]

Big Disney Fan- Hav you seen these movies? They do have villians!

Meet the Robinsons has that weird scientist guy trying to KILL Louis!

Pirates of the Caribbean has Davy Jones,Barbossa,and some even consider Jack Sparrow to be a villian.

Home on the Range-They had they mean sheriff

[Disneyfreak1990]

in the Disney's Villains' Revenge they had it where Jiminy tore out the endings of a book and the villains changed the ending. for the Dumbo story they had it where The Ringmaster locked Mrs. Jumbo up and made it where Dumbo can't fly anymore and keep doing that clown act for the villains'. do you call that evil or not.
since i'm on this i'll tell the rest, for Alice In Wonderland the Queen of Hearts cut off Alice's head and you had to go through a maze to find her body and go through again to get her out or the QOH would kill her, in Peter Pan Hook made it where Peter is an old man so you have to duel Hook off the ship, and for Snow White the Queen turned the cottage into her new base and put the Dwarfes in the dungeon, made sure Snow ate the apple to die, and made it where the Prince can't find them so you have to make a potion to bring him there to wake Snow up. after you get all the endings fixed the villians' come out and you have to bounce the objects they throw back at them. for The Ringmaster he throws pie and you have to shoot them back at him, Hook sends cannonballs and you have to bounce them to skull rock, the QOH sends croquet balls and you have to hit them to her topiary, and The QQuenn sends either a spell or apples at you and you have to send them to the door. naturally they lose.

[Big Disney Fan]

Big Disney Fan- Hav you seen these movies? They do have villians!

Meet the Robinsons has that weird scientist guy trying to KILL Louis!

Pirates of the Caribbean has Davy Jones,Barbossa,and some even consider Jack Sparrow to be a villian.

Home on the Range-They had they mean sheriff

I know your movies you listed had villains. I was talking about how some of the more recent movies had no villains. The movies you listed (Robinsons, HOTR and the Pirates trilogy) seem to be some of the few exceptions. The Bowler Hat Guy (or rather, his hat) is the bad guy in Robinsons and Barbossa and Davy Jones are the heavies in POTC: Curse of the Black Pearl and POTC: Dead Man's Chest, respectively. But the sheriff isn't the main bad guy in HOTR, the sheriff just had a job to do. The main villain there is Alameda Slim, a cattle rustler wanting to buy up the entire territory. I've seen the movie and at the end, after getting knocked about by the barnyard animals, the SHERIFF carts him off to prison.

[PeterPanfan]

Well then what movies were you reffering to?

[Super Aurora]

in the Disney's Villains' Revenge they had it where Jiminy tore out the endings of a book and the villains changed the ending. for the Dumbo story they had it where The Ringmaster locked Mrs. Jumbo up and made it where Dumbo can't fly anymore and keep doing that clown act for the villains'. do you call that evil or not.
since i'm on this i'll tell the rest, for Alice In Wonderland the Queen of Hearts cut off Alice's head and you had to go through a maze to find her body and go through again to get her out or the QOH would kill her, in Peter Pan Hook made it where Peter is an old man so you have to duel Hook off the ship, and for Snow White the Queen turned the cottage into her new base and put the Dwarfes in the dungeon, made sure Snow ate the apple to die, and made it where the Prince can't find them so you have to make a potion to bring him there to wake Snow up. after you get all the endings fixed the villians' come out and you have to bounce the objects they throw back at them. for The Ringmaster he throws pie and you have to shoot them back at him, Hook sends cannonballs and you have to bounce them to skull rock, the QOH sends croquet balls and you have to hit them to her topiary, and The QQuenn sends either a spell or apples at you and you have to send them to the door. naturally they lose.

That gotta be the stupidiest game I've heard. especially for disney.

[Disneyfreak1990]

the game was for the computer, what do you expect especially since it came from the 90's. they have something similar now called Meteos:Disney Magic where the stories of Toy Story, Nightmare Before Christmas, Pirates, Cinderella, Lilo and Stitch, Winnie the Pooh, The Lion King, and the Little Mermaid are messed up and you have to fix them with the help of Jiminy and Tink. in the end you find out it was Donald and Goofy who were clumsy in the vault and tried to put the stories back together but messed them up a little just like Villians' Revenge but with Villains messing those stories up.
after first playing i have always hoped for a sequel with better villains' like Maleficent, Ursula, Tremaine, and all the others. if they did make it would they put it on the PS3, Wii, DS, or the computer?

[Big Disney Fan]

Well then what movies were you reffering to?

Well, like, for instance:

--Lilo and Stitch
--Brother Bear
--Chicken Little
--Treasure Planet
--Cars
--Finding Nemo

That's all I can think of for right now. I counted Treasure Planet here because while it's true that Long John Silver is planning a mutiny to overtake the ship, he also becomes a father figure of sorts for Jim Hawkins. And Hawkins helps him escape in the end.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Well then what movies were you reffering to?

Well, like, for instance:

--Lilo and Stitch
--Brother Bear
--Chicken Little
--Treasure Planet
--Cars
--Finding Nemo

That's all I can think of for right now. I counted Treasure Planet here because while it's true that Long John Silver is planning a mutiny to overtake the ship, he also becomes a father figure of sorts for Jim Hawkins. And Hawkins helps him escape in the end.

Treasure Planet has Scroop for a villain, since he did cut the safety line for the Second Mate, and constantly threatened Jim.