Things I've Never Understood About Disney

[darth_deetoo]

Would you rather we discuss how many types of slipcovers there are, the amount of times Ariel blinks in the movie, or whether or not there's really the word SEX in The Lion King?



Escapay

Slipcovers - Glittery, sparkly, holofoil, embossed, gatefold, die cut.

Ariel blinking - I'll go for 15.

Lion King - thought it was Sexy Beast.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Funny I thought it was just Disney Dust that was swirling around doing nothing in particular. Here's a question I thought of after watching watching deleted scenes from Little Mermaid. If King Triton and Ursula are brother/sister why is it Ursula has an octopus bottom, while Triton and everyone related to him has a normal mermaid bottom half?

[Escapay]

Funny I thought it was just Disney Dust that was swirling around doing nothing in particular. Here's a question I thought of after watching watching deleted scenes from Little Mermaid. If King Triton and Ursula are brother/sister why is it Ursula has an octopus bottom, while Triton and everyone related to him has a normal mermaid bottom half?

She's a sea witch, it might have been a spell gone wrong?

Escapay

[brotherbear]

Funny I thought it was just Disney Dust that was swirling around doing nothing in particular. Here's a question I thought of after watching watching deleted scenes from Little Mermaid. If King Triton and Ursula are brother/sister why is it Ursula has an octopus bottom, while Triton and everyone related to him has a normal mermaid bottom half?

She's a sea witch, it might have been a spell gone wrong?

Escapay

Also remember how she used Ariel's voice and stole it from her? Well, she could have found an "unfortunate soul" who wanted to be a mermaid / merman and didn't like being half octopus. So, Ursula liked the octopus look and wham-o! You have the Ursula we see today.

-BB

[Disneyfreak1990]

maybe for the case of Ursula i have this theory, maybe merpeople who are part octupus are magical while others aren't. my thoery still fits with Kingdom Hearts in which Donald is part octupus and uses magic. and that counting how many times Areil blinks does sound fun. why don't we do it for every disney character including the video game versions.
now i have a couple of questions concerning Kingdom Hearts, one how did Ursula and Maleficent return? how come nobody remembers Ursula but everyone knows each other? if Scar became a Heartless where is his Nobody and why didn't he take a Heartless-like form? whatever happened to Yen Sid and the three good faires? why have the look of the worlds changed ie: Agrabah is now lamp shaped? whatever happened to Encom and the original Tron program? what happened to all the old Heartless? why don't the lesser Nobodies of the COM member show up? why is the sequel easier?

[Chernabog_Rocks]

What about Triton? He's able to use the Trident or is that because the Trident itself is Magical? And here are answer to alllll those Kingdom Hearts Questions

- Maleficent returned because she was remembered. As the three faeries said "Don't say her name" or "Don't remember" and the memorys of her somehow enable her to return. So it might also have something to do with Chain of Memories but I didn't play that one so I don't know for sure if there's something to do with it in there.

- As for Ursula I think it's because in the end maybe she wasn't killed, just defeated like Hook and Hades were. Plus Atlantica was only a mini-game world than and didn't really have any impact on the major storyline like before. The reason they may not remember her is probably because of events that took place in Chain of Memories, since the Nobodies wiped out Sora and companys memories. So I'm guessing Amnesia?

- I think Scar didn't become a Heartless, like Jafar, Clayton etc. he was consumed by the darkness in his heart but because he still retained it he didn't become one. His ghost however was just a guilty Simba for the most part.

- Yen Sid and the Three Faeiries I'm assuming either stayed in the tower at Twilight Town or they could have went to the Disney Castle to watch over the Queen.

- The shapes of the world might have changed because like the Earth they changed shape over time as well? You know, how the super continent broke up into smaller ones etc.

- Encom was left out because it would be weird to have a modern day building in the Radiant Gardens I guess and all they needed was locations used in the computer.

- I guess some of the old heartless were either wiped out or they evolved? Maybe they became trapped on certain worlds?

- The lesser nobodies might not show up for same reasons as the Heartless above. Or because those Nobodies were tied to a certain Organization Member and without them they became non-existant

- The sequel is easier because of all the abilites are better and the new button configuration made it easier to do more combos and made it easier to defeat enemies.

Now here's a question: Why did certain worlds like Wonderland, Monstro and Deep Jungle disappear? and why did the "Solar System" change shape?

[Prudence]

For "Beauty and the Beast", I kind of assumed time froze for the last ten years. In other words, ten years passed, but the castle inhabitants stayed the same age for those ten years. The Beast was 21 when the spell was cast, and is sort of stuck at that age until the spell is broken (or maybe "for all time"!). I mean, otherwise Chip would have to have been somehow conceived and born as a tea cup to a tea pot...which would be a feat of magic unto itself.

Whoa, you're a genius, I never thought of it that way. The Chip thing is hilarious!

Also, were all those other kid cups Mrs. Pots childen too? If so, she needs to slow her roll.

They are! What do you think her spout is for? Pouring tea?

[Disneyfreak1990]

What about Triton? He's able to use the Trident or is that because the Trident itself is Magical? And here are answer to alllll those Kingdom Hearts Questions

- Maleficent returned because she was remembered. As the three faeries said "Don't say her name" or "Don't remember" and the memorys of her somehow enable her to return. So it might also have something to do with Chain of Memories but I didn't play that one so I don't know for sure if there's something to do with it in there.

- As for Ursula I think it's because in the end maybe she wasn't killed, just defeated like Hook and Hades were. Plus Atlantica was only a mini-game world than and didn't really have any impact on the major storyline like before. The reason they may not remember her is probably because of events that took place in Chain of Memories, since the Nobodies wiped out Sora and companys memories. So I'm guessing Amnesia?

- I think Scar didn't become a Heartless, like Jafar, Clayton etc. he was consumed by the darkness in his heart but because he still retained it he didn't become one. His ghost however was just a guilty Simba for the most part.

- Yen Sid and the Three Faeiries I'm assuming either stayed in the tower at Twilight Town or they could have went to the Disney Castle to watch over the Queen.

- The shapes of the world might have changed because like the Earth they changed shape over time as well? You know, how the super continent broke up into smaller ones etc.

- Encom was left out because it would be weird to have a modern day building in the Radiant Gardens I guess and all they needed was locations used in the computer.

- I guess some of the old heartless were either wiped out or they evolved? Maybe they became trapped on certain worlds?

- The lesser nobodies might not show up for same reasons as the Heartless above. Or because those Nobodies were tied to a certain Organization Member and without them they became non-existant

- The sequel is easier because of all the abilites are better and the new button configuration made it easier to do more combos and made it easier to defeat enemies.

Now here's a question: Why did certain worlds like Wonderland, Monstro and Deep Jungle disappear? and why did the "Solar System" change shape?

to answer your question, the worlds of Wonderland and Deep Jungle just aren't seen while Monstro is from a world so that's why hes gone. as for the solar system/ sea of worlds have you ever heard of rotation?

and some of your answers don't make sence since for Scar Pete said that he was a Heartless and the Nobodies of the members who die in the game are still around so your answer makes no sence along with the Heartless one. i've been thinking about the one for Ursula which begs another question why don't the people of Atlantica meet her? and ENCOM was another world not part of Randient Garden. and the answer for the worlds is a joke to me since the worlds shape changes completely like Agrabah was originally round but is now in the shape of a lamp and Atlatica was a water world surrounded by rock but now is open to space with no water. makes you wonder if they can swim off the world . and Yen Sid and the faires don't appear again after Maleficent is back.

as for Triton he only has magic because of the trident since Areil can use it but isn't magical.

[UmbrellaFish]

as for Triton he only has magic because of the trident since Areil can use it but isn't magical.

Actually it's revealed by Sebastian in The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea that only Triton or one of his family members can use the Triton at all. Although, this is different in an episode of The Little Mermaid series in which Urchin uses the triton. Anyway, I've always felt Triton got his magic from the triton, unless he inheirted any magic from his father, Neptune.

[Disneyfreak1990]

/\how do you know Triton's dad's name

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Sorry about my answers not making much sense, I haven't played the second game for over a year since it only took me about a week to beat it since it was a lot easier than the first. So I tend to forget what happens in cutscenes especially since I used them to go get a refill on my drink or raid the cupboards for snacks I guess Scar's Nobody could make a return in the next game which would mean another trip to Pride Lands....

For Encom I think I've come up with a fairly decent solution...since Tron's Computer world was accessed by logging on to Ansems Computer maybe you could somehow connect to ENCOM by going through a different portal in his world (or whatever it is they used to get in and out). Kind of like two people in two different parts of the world being able to log in to this forum, so contrariwise someone at ENCOM (wherever they are) could log into Trons world just as easily as Sora and the others. I hope that made some sense this time

[Disneyfreak1990]

actually in order for ENCOM to connect with Tron is for them to be on the same world which they aren't and Tron did say this was a copy of the original obtained by Ansem The Wise to store info for his research and the original got deleted and all that survived was Tron, Sark and MCP. and besides the world of Tron is in a computer and what your talking about is just a digitizer just different looking from the one in the film. what i don't get is how Heartless can get to Timless River if they didn't exist at the time Timeless River is. and it's furthur compicated thanks to the Org Mushrooms in Final Mix + with one being there.

[UmbrellaFish]

/\how do you know Triton's dad's name

The Ariel stated in an episode of the series that, "Grandpa Neptune would be proud." plus there were more statements in that episode referring to Neptune, the Greek god of the sea, being Triton's father (which is also present in Greek mythology).

[Disneyfreak1990]

guess i missed that episode.

[Disney Duster]

I just wanted to say Escapay, I agree, they probably did put a lot of thought into the rose as symbolism. And that whole theory about the thorns and the transfering of ugliness to the rose was smart and intriguing. I do want to say, though, that the narrator stated the rose would "bloom until his 21st year", so it was blooming all that time, and then it stopped blooming when Belle came because that was the 21st year, and it started to wilt. Wilting isn't blooming, right? It's done blooming when the pettles start falling off, I thought.

Chernabog_Rocks, what did you mean disney dust is just swirling around doing nothing? First of all, I don't see where that came up in this thread before, and second of all, Disney dust is the embodiment or physical form of magic. Magic is not an invisible force in Disney films, it is usually contained in lightning, the genie's smoke, or sparkly dust (disney dust). That's why disney dust is hitting Cinderella's pumpkin, making it bigger with each hit until it's a coach.

[myr_heille]

I just wanted to say Escapay, I agree, they probably did put a lot of thought into the rose as symbolism. And that whole theory about the thorns and the transfering of ugliness to the rose was smart and intriguing.

I thought about that a bit too. I wonder if maybe the rose is meant to be a hint that everybody has (at least!) a little bit of beauty within. Like, the old beggar woman was ugly, but the rose she carried hinted at her real beauty. She then passed the rose on to the Beast, so it could be used as a hint for Belle to see some beauty in the Beast. After all, I know I'd be intrigued if any ugly person I knew wrecked his bedroom but kept a beautiful flower under such care.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Chernabog_Rocks, what did you mean disney dust is just swirling around doing nothing? First of all, I don't see where that came up in this thread before, and second of all, Disney dust is the embodiment or physical form of magic. Magic is not an invisible force in Disney films, it is usually contained in lightning, the genie's smoke, or sparkly dust (disney dust). That's why disney dust is hitting Cinderella's pumpkin, making it bigger with each hit until it's a coach.

I meant the Dust Escapay mentioned in The Lion King that supposedly spells out SFX or Sex. I've always assumed it was a form of Disney Dust just swirling around when Simba collapses. But after watching the movie again I realized it wasn't Disney Dust It reminds me of it though for some reason.

[Disney Duster]

I thought about that a bit too. I wonder if maybe the rose is meant to be a hint that everybody has (at least!) a little bit of beauty within. Like, the old beggar woman was ugly, but the rose she carried hinted at her real beauty. She then passed the rose on to the Beast, so it could be used as a hint for Belle to see some beauty in the Beast. After all, I know I'd be intrigued if any ugly person I knew wrecked his bedroom but kept a beautiful flower under such care.

I guess you are right. But I'm saying it was still expressed in physical beauty. I guess when it comes to art, where everything is visual or audiable, you have to make beauty seen.

Oh, and I gotcha Chernabog_Rocks, I always wondered if that dust was part of the conjuring of Mufasa's ghost, which is kind of magical.