Reusing earlier years animation!!!!

Fidget1234 · Post by **Fidget1234** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:18 pm

the 2nd page link doesnt work.

but never noticed the snow white resued animation in robin hood. i was familiar w/ the aristocats/jungle book reused animation tho.

RyougaLolakie · Post by **RyougaLolakie** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:06 pm

I'm surprised nobody knew about the recycled animation of "Ben and Me". As I said before, the cat chasing the mouse scene was recycled from Disney's Cinderella (it was from the infamous 8-minute footage of it)! This saddens me the most when nobody knew it!

Anyways, nice link and I knew some of it from Robin Hood and The Aristocats.

Disney-Fan · Post by **Disney-Fan** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:49 pm

There's also a scene in Aladdin which is reused within the movie. It's the part where Abu pulls down the guard's hat. The first time is in One Jump Ahead, and the second is where Aladdin is caught with Jasmine.

Lars Vermundsberget · Post by **Lars Vermundsberget** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:36 pm

I've "always" noticed the Snow White dancing piece in Robin Hood - probably because it pretty much stands out from the rest of the film.

There appears to be quite some recycling of animation in the Disney works, but particularly in the late 60s and 70s. Overall it seems to me that most of the "innovation" in Disney animation during the 60s and 70s was about cost-cutting.

TheSequelOfDisney · Post by **TheSequelOfDisney** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:41 pm

Fidget1234 wrote:the 2nd page link doesnt work.

but never noticed the snow white resued animation in robin hood. i was familiar w/ the aristocats/jungle book reused animation tho.

It does work. At the bottom of the page there are 2 links that are in bold, and Russian. One is below the other. The bottom one takes to a menu type thing. But the one above it takes you to the second page. Duh! Can't y'all read Russian?

Actually I can't read Russian, but I figured it out. And I did it with my shirt on!

Lars Vermundsberget · Post by **Lars Vermundsberget** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:47 pm

I know a bit of Russian, but not enough to start teaching anyone.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:03 pm

I know a little Russian too. [Points] There he is over there!

Jules · Post by **Jules** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:13 pm

Looking at Robin Hood...the terrible amount of reused animation is...well terrible.

I wonder if Walt Disney approved what his artists were doing?

And what would he have thought of Robin Hood? I think he'd have given his nine old men a good shouting at...

Sometimes I wonder what Walt Disney was like as a person. Was he nice? Was he short-tempered? Was he unpleasant? No amount of DVD bonus features will ever reveal that.

I have the impression that it was terribly hard to get complimented by him...

I don't think he'd have complimented his animators over the lacklustre hotchpotch of decaying matter in Robin Hood. It's by no means a disgrace, but in my opinion the worst Disney Classic.

Lars Vermundsberget · Post by **Lars Vermundsberget** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:54 pm

juliancarter:

I suppose shouting at the "nine old men" wouldn't be called for... I'm pretty sure the amount of recycling in Robin Hood didn't primarily come from the animators. Cost-cutting measures were most probably dictated by executives, from those handling the big money. For a few years after Walt died Disney's executive level was supposedly considering whether they should abandon animation or animated features altogether.

As for Walt as a person, I guess you're right in assuming that Disney DVDs won't give us the whole truth. But I've read so many books about Disney that I think I've got a somewhat balanced picture of it all. Based on that, I'd describe him as "basically good", but tough - not always a "nice guy" during certain stressful periods. He would rarely give compliments directly, but a compliment from Walt could arrive a bit later after having passed through someone else first.

Pasta67 · Post by **Pasta67** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:36 pm

No, Robin Hood isn't the king of reused animation, The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh is. There is soooooo much reused animation of characters on that movie that it's not even funny. That's probably because when they were making the original shorts, they weren't thinking that they would ever be watched all back to back, so they reused animation in all of them. The screencaps on that site aren't even the tip of the iceburg.

stlewis75 · Post by **stlewis75** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:27 am

"Goliath II" has more re-used animation than anything Disney's ever done. It's a short on the Disney Rarities set if you haven't seen it and would like to.

There are exact scenes from The Jungle Book, Dumbo, Bambi, Peter Pan, The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, The Three Caballeros, and probably several other films I'm forgetting. I'm not sure if the many different owls were supposed to seem like the same character... they don't.

Bill Peet's story for Goliath II is nice... I've never seen such a "cost-cutting" production in my life, though. I don't think the animators were ever responsible for the decision to re-use animation. They wanted everything to be amazing, impressive, and ground-breaking. Unfortunately, though - sometimes things are done at a reduced budget.

If you want a new perspective on how Walt Disney was as a person, check out "Bill Peet: An Autobiography." Of course, Bill was pretty strong-willed himself. I think the reason they didn't get along sometimes was because they were too much alike... and neither of them ever thought they were wrong. And I guess they normally weren't.

Karushifa · Post by **Karushifa** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:53 am

Pasta67 wrote:No, Robin Hood isn't the king of reused animation, The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh is. There is soooooo much reused animation of characters on that movie that it's not even funny. That's probably because when they were making the original shorts, they weren't thinking that they would ever be watched all back to back, so they reused animation in all of them. The screencaps on that site aren't even the tip of the iceburg.

The recycling in Robin Hood is egregious, though, because it uses animation from completely different characters. While Pooh and Tigger still look like Pooh and Tigger when animation is recycled, Maid Marian ends up doing some stints as Snow White, and the Merry Men as the groovy cat band. And I can pretty much guarantee that the model sheets for Little John looked eerily similar to those for Baloo (I don't think this is just because Phil Harris voiced both characters, either). At least MAOWTP borrows from itself rather than from the rest of the vault.

Jules · Post by **Jules** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:58 pm

I'm sorry if I mentioned the nine old men rashly but I really thought they would have had a good deal to do with it. I'm sorry if I offended or annoyed anyone.

As for Bill Peet's Autobiography, I suppose it must be terribly interesting, like a revealing of the secrets. I remember reading something on a bonus feature of The Sword in the Stone, where Bill Peet was comparing Merlin to Walt when making his sketches of the former.

I know this topic is about reused animation, but has anyone ever thought of reused music? I read somewhere on the internet (I forgot where) that George Bruns reused the climactic music of Sleeping Beauty when Prince Philip fights with Maleficent in The Sword in the Stone, in the confrontation between Merlin and Madame Mim (When she becomes a dragon). He would reuse it again in Robin Hood (For the third time!) during the climax when Robin is escaping the burning tower and the Sheriff.

I don't think I like what he did, espeially as I think Sleeping Beauty is of much higher artistic integrity than Sword and Robin Hood.

P.S. I remember where I read the information: on Imdb, when I searched for Sword in the Stone.

RyougaLolakie · Post by **RyougaLolakie** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:11 pm

I've certaintly forgot that there is another animated short that has re-used animation from a similiar short. This time, it was Goofy's "Aquamania" (1961). It has re-used animation from Goofy short, "Father's Lion". Also,there is a featurette where Goofy was telling stories about his ancestors to his son (I don't remember the title of this featurette, though) and it used some re-used animation from "Father's Lion" as well. For example, Goofy tackles his mountain lion carpet and it's the same animation as Goofy tackles the live mountain lion in "Father's Lion".

Lars Vermundsberget · Post by **Lars Vermundsberget** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:12 pm

juliancarter wrote:I'm sorry if I mentioned the nine old men rashly but I really thought they would have had a good deal to do with it. I'm sorry if I offended or annoyed anyone.

I guess I'm one who sounded somewhat offended on behalf of the "old men" - don't worry, I'm not really.

But it's important to see the somewhat bigger picture here - good, "advanced" animation is and was very, very expensive. After a few years in the animation business Walt Disney had developed a high level of ambition - during the 30s and early 40s his project or objective was undoubtedly about advancing his new-found art form - the best animation ever. In short - he only had one leg to stand on, so to speak. Eventually the Disney company started to diversify (live-action movies, television, Disneyland). Television took an important part in changing the movie business, and animation at the highest level became too costly. The 50s is in my opinion a transitional period in this picture - still with quite high production values. But during the 60s cost-cutting became evident, as we have seen, and probably even more so after Walt's death. About this time the end of Disney animation could have been just around the corner...

danfrandes · Post by **danfrandes** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:34 am

Can you ask me why every Disney movie reused every animation from every Disney movie?

The Jungle Book scene where Mowgli gets licked by the wolves is like the Sword in the Stone scene where the boy (Wart/Arthur) gets licked by Sir Ector's dogs (Tiger and Talbot)

Robin Hood has dance scenes during the song "The Phony King of England" that look like the dance scenes during the song "I Wan'na Be Like You" from The Jungle Book, the "Dwarfs' Yodel Song" from Snow White, and the song "Ev'rybody Wants to Be a Cat" from The Aristocats.

ichabod · Post by **ichabod** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:39 am

danfrandes wrote:Can you ask me why every Disney movie reused every animation from every Disney movie?

Why every Disney movie reused every animation from every Disney movie?

If on the other hand you meant can you tell me why Disney movies reuse animation, the answer is simple. Becuase it's cheaper and less time consuming to trace older animation than spend time drawing it new.

PixarFan2006 · Post by **PixarFan2006** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:09 am

I agree, it's to save money. Hanna-Barbara cartoons do it all the time. There is another topic like this somewhere on the forum. Just search it before Escapay throws a fit.

danfrandes · Post by **danfrandes** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:20 am

Here are the reused animations

PixarFan2006 · Post by **PixarFan2006** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:31 am

Interesting how they look REALLY similar. I guess they must do what they have to do to save money.

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