The Hunter

[Jay]

Go on and talk about the presence of the hunter or the man in Bambi

[PixarFan2006]

I don't know why the AFI considered him as a villian. We never really see what he looks like.

[SpringHeelJack]

I don't know why the AFI considered him as a villian. We never really see what he looks like.

That's silly. Just because you don't see someone doesn't make them any less of a villain. The hunter in "Bambi" has such a presence that he doesn't need to be physically shown to be frightening. I mean, he killed the main character's mother, which is probably one of the most daring and infamous scenes ever in a "family" animated movie, and started a fire that led to the destruction of the forest all while still trying to shoot at the forest animals. Pretty villainou, if you ask me.

[Super Aurora]

I don't know why the AFI considered him as a villian. We never really see what he looks like.

That's silly. Just because you don't see someone doesn't make them any less of a villain. The hunter in "Bambi" has such a presence that he doesn't need to be physically shown to be frightening. I mean, he killed the main character's mother, which is probably one of the most daring and infamous scenes ever in a "family" animated movie, and started a fire that led to the destruction of the forest all while still trying to shoot at the forest animals. Pretty villainou, if you ask me.

how you know it's the same man? It could of been another man that did the fire.

Also the "man" could hunt the deer for food. I never felt the man as a villian. Just an obsticle Bambi must over come and deal with.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

I've heard there was a deleted scene where we see the hunter, but it's only his hand or something because he died.....I hope someone knows what I'm talking about because I've only heard half the story. I'm not sure if he's really considered a villain since Man (or the hunter) could be compared to the Barracuda in Finding Nemo, he is just hunting for food and doing something thats natural to his specie. But if we compared him to a main villain like the Evil Queen, she's going out of her way to make life miserable for the main character.

[rs_milo_whatever]

it doesn't matter if it wasn't the same guy, the term "man" is a general term. and although he probably could have been hunting for food, its a terrible thing to think about from the side of the animals, which makes it a lot more horrifying to think about.

i feel that if "man" had been shown it wouldn't have been as scary. To think that he could have been anywhere waiting for the moment to kill the characters that 5 minutes passt the film we already love makes him a lot more intimidating than most disney villains.

[SpringHeelJack]

That's silly. Just because you don't see someone doesn't make them any less of a villain. The hunter in "Bambi" has such a presence that he doesn't need to be physically shown to be frightening. I mean, he killed the main character's mother, which is probably one of the most daring and infamous scenes ever in a "family" animated movie, and started a fire that led to the destruction of the forest all while still trying to shoot at the forest animals. Pretty villainou, if you ask me.

how you know it's the same man? It could of been another man that did the fire.

Also the "man" could hunt the deer for food. I never felt the man as a villian. Just an obsticle Bambi must over come and deal with.

What Milo said. Generic man. Bad bunch. The villains of the movie, save for Ronto.

[Super Aurora]

like Chernabog Rocks was saying, it could of been a man just attempting to get it's food like a lizard tries to get a bug.

Law of nature aka survival of the fittest.

[rs_milo_whatever]

true, but that doesn't change the fact that someone's mother was killed.
and most humans just hunt for the fun of it.

[Zoltack]

I don't know why the AFI considered him as a villian. We never really see what he looks like.

Hmmm, I wonder what man looks like. That's puzzling. I'm just kidding and your right.

Now being a hunter and some what of a wild life expert because as a hunter you are interested and familiarize yourself with your prey. And some times I go hunting with a camera instead of a gun. Anyways, all wild animals face obstacles some life threatening; that's just the way nature is. Deer just like many other animal in the forest will face challenges in their lives such as, weather (winter season), disasters (forest fires, floods) and predators (wolves, mountain lions and bears; oh my). Actually today here in Colorado starvation (during the winter) is the major killer of wild life not hunters. Also we are being over run by elk, deer and Canada geese so endangerment of these species is very far off.

Like I said before yes, man killed Bambi's mother and shoot Bambi but man wasn't the only thing he and had to overcome. Also the fire they started in the movie was an accident but that was because they were irresponsible. They did not intentionally set the forest on fire which is not evil just dumb.

We can also rule out Ronno as being a villain too because his part was brief and that's just what deer naturally do.

A villain is evil, how does being a predator make you evil? How is a hunter any more different than lets say a mountain lion? Mountain lion use their advantages (stalking, pouncing and extra sensitive sensory) to kill their prey and hunters use technology to their advantage. You see deer have an advantage over us they can literally smell us a mile away if our sent is up wind and conditions are right. So we use technology i.e. rifles, cover scents and optics to level out the playing field. Deer are more suspicious than they are curious so if something they know is out of place; they're gone which is why it's so hard to hunt deer. You might not think that's true if you watch a hunting show but most of those guys are professionals and professionals make every thing look easy.

I've heard there was a deleted scene where we see the hunter, but it's only his hand or something because he died.....I hope someone knows what I'm talking about because I've only heard half the story.

Yes, I know exactly what you are talking about; if you didn't know I am one of the biggest Bambi fans on this forum. They were actually going to incorporate a shadow and there was one seen after the forest fire where you can see a leg or a foot sticking out of a tree log.

[rs_milo_whatever]

i know its esay to defend man, because we are "man", we understand us, so its hard to think of the average human being as a villain;

but think of it through the eyes of a forest animal, totally not his fault, i mean sure its the circle of life but that doesn't make it all right and pretty

[Zoltack]

i know its esay to defend man, because we are "man", we understand us, so its hard to think of the average human being as a villain;

but think of it through the eyes of a forest animal, totally not his fault, i mean sure its the circle of life but that doesn't make it all right and pretty

You make a very good point here and I would like to explore more of what a deer sees.

A deer does see humans as enemies but there are other things in the forest that they consider enemies too. They actually probably think mountain lions are more dangerous than hunters because mountain lions are around all the time but humans are only around during the fall. Unlike a mountain lion humans show compassion. If we saw a fawn on the meadow we would leave it alone but a mountain lion would think that would be an easy meal. That might sound awful but that's mother natures way of getting rid of the weak because she only wants the strong to survive.

[TM2-Megatron]

They actually probably think mountain lions are more dangerous than hunters because mountain lions are around all the time but humans are only around during the fall. Unlike a mountain lion humans show compassion. If we saw a fawn on the meadow we would leave it alone but a mountain lion would think that would be an easy meal. That might sound awful but that's mother natures way of getting rid of the weak because she only wants the strong to survive.

Personally I find it easier to defend non-sapient animals in their actions than humans. Mountain Lions (and other predators) hunt and kill things because they have to; end of story. Plus, a mountain lion doesn't kill things out of malevolence, or lack of concern for the other animals it's killing... hell, it isn't even capable of either of those things. IMO, humans hunt either to satsify their ridiculously primitive egos left-over from the depths of time, or just because they like killing things. Neither pursuit is particularly noble... and I've met few people capable of compassion even towards other human beings; why would they show it to animals? IMO, anyone who has access to a grocery store has no business hunting anything more than easter eggs. Besides, why would anyone eat a deer when you can go out and buy premium filet mignon, or a decent flat iron steak... even chicken; or if you're particularly desperate, pork (provided it's sausages or bacon and not god-awful ham).

[Zoltack]

What's wrong with ham? Are you sick of it after Easter?

You do make some good points and I respect your opinion but you couldn't be more wrong about why we hunt. Yes, it is a thrill to kill something but we kill for food not for pleasure. What I really like about hunting is the peace and being able to explore; it's an adventure and it's a privilege. It's also nice to have something different once in a while instead of beef, chicken and pork. If you haven't had venison before especially elk, you do not know what you're missing.

Another thing you should understand is here in Colorado when you go hunting it is because you want to gather up food. It's unlawful (it's a felony actually) to do so otherwise. There are people who do kill animals to satisfy their egos or just because they like to kill, but they're not hunters (hunters kill to gather food; I don't know how many times I have to say that to get people to understand) we have another name for these people; poachers. A poacher is someone who kills an animal with out regard for the law or wild life in order to make a financial gain. These are the people you would not consider to be compassionate. They don't give a crap about animals and human democracy. Instead of considering a hunter a villain you should really look into what poachers do you might (and I emphasize "might") change your mind. So you were right to say that there are humans that are not compassionate but you were wrong in calling them hunters.

Here's another thing, every time we by a hunting license a percentage of that money goes into improving wild life habitat and conservation. Because of that deer, and especially elk have become pests instead of being endangered. What's evil about that?

Now on to the mountain lions. Here in Colorado mountain lions are on top of the food chain and if you ever studied ecology mountain lions receive the least amount of energy. Because they are carnivorous; they have no choice but to kill other animals (i.e. deer which are primary consumers) in order to gain energy. Since mountain lions gain so little energy they don't want to use it up by trying to kill a 400 pound adult deer; instead they will go after the fawns (especially if they're sick or injured) because they're easy to get. It's in their nature; they have to eat and eat a lot to survive. I just brought up the whole mountain lion thing because I wanted you to understand that there are other things that animals in the forest have to worry about besides humans.

[TM2-Megatron]

What's wrong with ham? Are you sick of it after Easter?

No, thankfully we had turkey this easter. I just never developed much of a taste for ham... despite liking pork in bacon (not peameal, though) and sausages. It seems incredibly salty, and the consistency just doesn't appeal to me.

[rs_milo_whatever]

the hunting for food arguement, not so real. like its been said before, we hace acces to stores, and the animals we eat are bred on farms, so it oviously wasn't the case of man in Bambi

[Chernabog_Rocks]

I'm wondering when Bambi took place, because if it took place in the Pioneer days, than Man hunting in the forest wouldn't really be evil because he has to hunt for food to survive like the natural predators (mountain lions, wolves etc.). Plus in the pioneer/early settler days they didn't have the big shiny stores like we have today where there's tons of foods to choose from. As for the hunting/poaching, I've never liked hunting even if it is for a different type of meat to have for dinner. For me it's not why people are hunting it's the fact that in the end they're killing animals who never did anything to deserve that kind of fate. I know this might seem rather stupid but what if you were in that animals shoes? What if one day your just doing your business wandering around, and than BOOM your getting shot at because someone wants to eat you. It doesn't really seem fair since a lot of hunters have all sorts of fancy gear to use like lookout towers, scopes, and guns. If you really wanted a thrill of the hunt, try hunting the animal down like it's natural predators, no guns or bullets just a knife than see how well you can do One thing I hate hearing is when a hunter says "oh it's ok that we hunt this specie because there's so many of them that they're becoming a pest". It's actually a good thing that, that specie has a high number because if it was a low one they would go extinct. What happens when Deer or Elk populations become dangerously low? You won't be able to use the "they have a large population count" as an excuse or reason. Anyways this post is getting rather large, so I'll end it now don't forget to check out the Environment thread if you want to talk about anything like this more

[Zoltack]

The book was written back in the late 20's so I'm guessing that the setting is around that time.

Hunting is not just bringing different food to the table for many it's a tradition. It's actually a tradition for me; I hunt with my father he hunted with his father and so on. Some people like me to do it to escape civilization or just get some peace and quite. It's quite up in the forest and there's lots of lovely scenery too it's a wonderful experience.

Well, I know I can't change your feelings that the successful result of hunting is killing innocent animals but how do you suppose that hamburger, turkey, chicken, lamb, fish or bacon got on your plate?

If I was in the animals shoes I would know because my sense of hearing and smell is 10X greater than that of a human to adapt (meaning if I was shoot at before I would recognize right away what the danger is the next time) and run away if I feel something is out of place. That is what deer do; if you had read my arguments carefully I said deer are more suspicious than curious. Meaning if they hear or smell a predator or an animal that's bigger to run away. When deer get really spooked they can run up to 40 MPH and we have no way to track them; when they're gone, they're gone. I'm guessing you've never hunted before so you wouldn't know how difficult it is to stalk or track your prey.

What if one day your just doing your business wandering around, and than BOOM your getting shot at because someone wants to eat you.

That's sucks, that's how life anywhere with any species is. You might get up tomorrow go to school or what ever and for some reason someone pulls a gun on you and kills you. Here's another example my cat Max was sitting on the porch minding his own business then two dogs that weren't on a leash attacked and killed him. That's sucks but that's life and life goes on.

It doesn't really seem fair since a lot of hunters have all sorts of fancy gear to use like lookout towers, scopes, and guns.

Did you read what I wrote before carefully? Almost all wild animals including deer have a 10X or greater sense of hearing and smell than that of a human. We use towers we use optics and we use projectile weapons (bow and arrow, cross bow, muzzle loader and rifle) to level out the playing feild. We also want to make sure we kill the animal quickly as possible (which is why we practice a lot) because we don't want it to suffer and we don't want to lose it. 99.99% of a successful hunt is due to luck. Anyone who goes hunting would know that.

One thing I hate hearing is when a hunter says "oh it's ok that we hunt this specie because there's so many of them that they're becoming a pest".

Well you rather have them rounded up in pens give people semi-automatic assault rifles and blow them away? They don't just kill the bulls they kill the cows and the calves too. That's what they do to the elk here in Colorado; it's horrible I know I was outraged by that but because they don't let people hunt in the national park that's what it came down to. Would you rather see them have a fair chase scenario (hunting) than seeing them rounded up, put in pens and shot to death?

It's actually a good thing that, that specie has a high number because if it was a low one they would go extinct.

Yes, it is good the last thing I would want to see is deer becoming extinct. However, if the population gets too out of hand it would not be good for the ecosystem. For example, deer eat a whole lot of stuff including corn; "oh, look a nice corn feild some human set up" and they eat it all then they move to another corn feild eat that all up too. So where are we suppose to get our corn if the deer ate it all? Deer attract predators so if they roamed around the city guess what's going to happen a bear or a mountain lion will show up and because they're dangerous animals they will be destroyed.

Every state has a wildlife department; these exist because hunting was out of control back then and many species faced extinction. These departments were created to control the amount of hunting that went on by requiring people who wanted to hunt to obtain a license. Because these departments exist you do not have to worry about a species becoming extinct. It's their job to make sure that doesn't happen. How many time do I have to say this now before people will understand; every time you by a hunting or fishing license a percentage of that goes into wild life habitat. This ensures that our wild friends have a home and we can coexist with them. Hunters improve the life styles of game animals why isn't anyone considering that?

I strongly suggest anyone who is against hunting really look into it deeper because all I've been hearing so far is ignorance. Unless you can find a credible source out there that proves hunting is bad by all means share it. If you can't back up what you say with facts than don't say it. If you haven't been hunting; what do you know about it then? BTW my facts came from this site http://wildlife.state.co.us/ which is in fact a credible source.

This thread is giving me a headache; obviously no one has considered (listened) to what I've said before so I'm giving up. You all have the right to think the way you do and I have the right too.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

I apologize if I'm coming across too strong or ignorant, I'm just frustated as well. I live in a town where a lot of people are Pro-Hunting, and I just find it hard to see the positive things in hunting when all I hear about from guys at school is how they shot this animal through the eye with their new scope and than proceeded to slice the animal up so it could be cooked. I know it's just life and thats part of it, but it makes it harder for me to see hunting from your point of view Zoltack, I really am trying to learn more about hunting and understand it better, it's just going to take some time for me since sometimes I confuse people who are hunting for food and somene hunting just because they can. So in the future, I will try to be less ignorant.

[Prudence]

When discussing the hunter on Bambi, pro-hunting vs. anti-hunting arguments are inevitable. I don't have an opinion on the matter.