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From Jim Hill Media":
A JHM Exclusive: In-depth coverage of David Stainton's meeting yesterday with the WDFA-F crew
Only JimHillMedia.com can actually put you inside the room as artists and technicians confront the President of Disney Feature Animation as he tries to defend the corporation's decision to close the Central Florida studio.

"Do not go gentle into that good night ... rage, rage, against the dying of the light."
-- Dylan Thomas

Okay, so this meeting wasn't actually held at night. But -- even so -- the crew from Disney Feature Animation-Florida did NOT "go gentle." From everything that I've heard about yesterday's meeting with David Stainton -- when it was finally revealed that the Walt Disney Company would in fact be closing down its Central Florida animation operation sometime later this year -- there was a lot of anger in the room. Particularly when people began openly booing Stainton as he feebly tried to defend Disney's decision to shutter the studio.

The final meeting of the Disney Feature Animation-Florida staff was held upstairs in the multi-purpose room at the Disney-MGM production facility. In the exact same room where -- back on November 17th -- the team learned that production of "A Few Good Ghosts" was abruptly being halted and that WDFA management was seriously considering closing the Central Florida facility. So -- as you might expect -- none of the 250 artists and technicians in attendance had particularly fond memories of that room.

At approximately 10 a.m., veteran WDFA producer Pam Coats, WDFA-F studio head Andrew Millstein and President of Disney Feature Animation David Stainton took the stage. What they said surprised no one:
That the Walt Disney Company HAD decided to close down Feature Animation-Florida later that year. That certain "core people" would be offered contracts to come on out to Burbank to work on other WDFA projects there. But as for the rest of the WDFA-F crew ... They'd be paid through March 19th, then let go.

In hindsight, several of those in attendance believe that it was the unfortunate use of the phrase "core people" that eventually set the audience off. After all, fewer that 50 WDFA-F staffers had been offered jobs back in Burbank. Which seemed to mean that the rest -- some of whom had worked for Feature Animation-Florida since the studio first opened back in May of 1989 -- were expendable. Suddenly obsolete. That image apparently didn't sit well with the assembled artists and technicians. But -- for now -- they held their tongues.

Still, those in attendance couldn't help but be touched by Pam Coats' heartfelt speech. After all, Pam had been with Feature Animation-Florida right from the beginning. Having produced both "Trail Mix-Up" as well as "Mulan," there was no one in the room who doubted that Coats was really upset at the idea that the Central Florida facilty had to close.

Then Stainton stood up to speak. I'll say this much for David. He supposedly did the best he could. Laboring mightily to put the best possible face on this whole awkward and awful situation. Stainton reportedly started his remarks by praising to the hilt all the wonderful work that the WDFA-F team had done over the past 15 years on various Disney animated features.

Stainton then allegedly went on to say that it was really nothing personal. It was just that Disney corporate had decided to go another way with WDFA. Rather than run several separate animation studios in far-flung corners of the globe, Disney would now go back to its old 1980s model. Where all of the unit's talent was located under one roof, working together on the very same film.

So far, so good, don't you think? No huge gaffes on David's part, right? Okay, so some of the WDFA-F staffers in attendance doubted Stainton's sincerity. But at least the guy had shown up. Stainton hadn't fobbed the job off onto one of his flunkies.

But then David apparently made a crucial error. He threw the meeting open for questions. And this is where things really started to get away from him.

The crowd -- already angered by that "core people" comment -- peppered him with pointed questions. Which supposedly started with: "Why is the Walt Disney Company flooding the feature animation market with all these low quality direct-to-video sequels?'

Now Stainton (who -- it should be pointed out -- up until very recently was actually in charge of Disney Television Animation, the division of the Walt Disney Company that makes those direct-to-video films) supposedly tried to defend his old division, saying "Now they're not low quality films ..."

... Only to be shouted down by all those assembled.

David reportedly tried to continue, insisting that "the public couldn't really tell the difference between the direct-to-video stuff and the films that Feature Animation actually produces." This comment was also met with boos.

Sensing that he wasn't exactly going to be able win this crowd over by answering that question, Stainton quickly moved on to another query. Which allegedly was: "For the footage that I've seen so far of 'Chicken Little,' it's clear that we're just trying to copy Pixar now. Why isn't Disney trying to make its own kind of CG films?"

David reportedly tried to reply by saying that it was Pixar that was copying Disney, not the other way. That Pixar had borrowed Disney Animation's old production model (I.E. Keeping all of its artists under one roof, concentrating all of its resources on one film at a time). How Pixar had established this "braintrust" of directors and story people who helped each other, who worked together so that that studio could always get the most out of every single project.

"Disney needs to get back to that sort of production system in order to stay competitive," Stainton supposedly continued. "But -- in order to do that -- we have to shut down all of our satellite studios like Paris, Tokyo and Orlando."

Following up on the Pixar question, one of the WDFA-F staffers there reportedly asked: "How is Disney Feature Animation going to distinguish its computer animated films movies from all the other CG features out there?" Stainton allegedly said that he wanted WDFA to start producing CG movies that " ... that have songs. Movies that have heart. Movies that definitely have humor. Movies that push the art of the film-making forward." David then supposedly went on to say that -- once Disney got started making CG films that featured human characters -- that ".. that's something that's going to set us apart" from what Pixar, Dreamworks and Sony are doing.

Given the way that Stainton had answered the above question, it was clear that the Mouse was now going whole hog for CG. Which was when one brave WDFA-F staffer reportedly stood up and asked the $64,000 question: "So it's true, then. Disney's actually getting out of the traditional animation business?"

Stainton allegedly said: "Yes. For a while, anyway." This response supposedly immediately brought boos from the audience. Which is why David reportedly began to back pedal, saying things like: "We do have two new traditional animated projects in development. And -- if it were the right time and the right project came along -- I'm sure that we'd do 2D again. But -- for right now -- Disney's going to concentrate on doing just CG."

The traditionally trained WDFA-F staffers began booing Stainton's presentation in earnest at that point. To hear that the Walt Disney Company had officially decided to turn its back on traditional animation just made the group furious.

Sensing that the meeting had somehow taken a really bad turn, Stainton quickly handed the mike over to WDFA-F studio head Andrew Millstein and refused to answer any more questions.

Andrew tried to get the meeting back on course. But Millstein got choked up as he tried to get the final pieces of the agenda, mentioning the various operational things that still had to be done in order for the studio to be properly shut down. Someone started singing that old Irving Berlin standard, "There's No Business like Show Business." Which -- for some odd reason -- got a laugh out of the crowd.

And with that, the meeting was over. 15 years of hard work dismissed in less than an hour. As everyone shuffled out, someone commented on the danish and the rhubarb cake that WDFA-F management had provided, saying "This is the first time that I've been to a firing that was catered."

Stainton, absolutely humiliated at the way the meeting had ended (Said one wag: "He couldn't have handed that microphone to Millstein any faster. You could see that he just wanted to flee that room"), disappeared almost immediately.

Grumbling angrily, the WDFA-F staff filed out of the building. Some of them for the very last time.

(Well, maybe not. There's talk that there may actually be a WDFA-F going away party. One last shindig for all the staff who ever worked at the Central Florida studio. Either in the fish bowl, the trailers or the fancy schmancy new building. So that this crew can all get together one last time and say "Goodbye" ... before they all head their separate ways.)

Mind you, some WDFA-F staffers were quietly approached as they exited yesterday's meeting. They were then quickly pulled into nearby offices by members of WDFA-F management. Where they were reportedly offered contracts that would allow them to continue to work for Disney Feature Animation. IF they agreed to relocate to Burbank. But given how badly these staffers had treated over the past eight weeks by the Walt Disney Company, many of those artists and technicians who were approached yesterday just laughed and said "Hell, no."

So -- all in all -- it was a pretty terrible day for Disney Feature Animation. With 200 WDFA-F staffers being laid off or fired by March 19th, the president of the division jeered, and a dozen or more artists and technicians actually turning down work rather than returning to the Disney fold. Mickey got himself a black eye today that -- I'm afraid -- won't fade for years yet to come.

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Boos are all that Michael and David deserve. But as with all the talented artists that are being fired, their day will come as well... Just wait! :x
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Here's Reuters' take on the issue (of the closure, not the meeting).

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtm ... ID=4114467

I know I'm in the minority here, but I think it's most probably wrong to blame David Stainton, this business plan was more than likely finalised before he was hired.

Now, can anyone tell me the difference between "shut" and "shuttered", the latter keeps appearing in print regarding the Disney studios.
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2099net wrote: Now, can anyone tell me the difference between "shut" and "shuttered", the latter keeps appearing in print regarding the Disney studios.
Good question. :? I'm pretty sure they mean the same thing. However, 'shuttered' suggests closed and hidden. Since Disney's been trying to take the emphasis off of this MONSTROSITY (e.g. announcing that new film on the same day of the closing), shuttered might be a more accurate word. I just looked them both up and shuttered is listed as a synonym for shut. Oh, and by the way . . . sorry for that little opinion that snuck in there. :P
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"David reportedly tried to continue, insisting that "the public couldn't really tell the difference between the direct-to-video stuff and the films that Feature Animation actually produces." This comment was also met with boos."


HA HA HA HA HA! WHAT A LOAD OF @#$%! The public is too stupid to be able to tell the difference between the quality of the animation in "Atlantis" versus "Atlantis II: Milo Returns"? The difference in quality between "Hunchback" and "Hunchback II"? "Pocahontas" and "Pocahontas II"? "Cinderella" and "Cinderella 2"? What utter DISHONESTY! Of COURSE people can tell the difference, but the people BUYING that crap don't care, they're just soccer moms picking up something that will shut their kids up for 90 minutes, or they're propellor-head Disney fans who'll defend anything that comes down the corporate poop-chute.

It's a good thing I wasn't at that meeting, they would have had to drag me from the room.
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I feel sorry for Mr. Stainton. He really sounded like he didn't want to fire all those people but he was put in that position anyways.

I didn't know that all the feature animation would be taking place in one building now. I think that's a really good thing. And making movies with "humans, singing, and lots of heart" sounds promising, provided those words aren't just a bunch of BS.

I don't like how the person said that the CGI for Chicken Little was looking like a copy of Pixar but oh well, I'm just going to have to *gasp* trust Disney on this one. I'm not in any position to change anything that the heads of Disney are doing so what's the point of complaining?
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The discription of Stainton's trying to defend the DTV sequels and the reaction of the crowd just reminds me of the scene from Billy Madison in which Eric is nervously trying to answer a question about buisiness ethics to a booing crowd.

Good thing Stainton didn't pull out a gun and try to shoot some of the audience. Then Roy would've had to show up and shoot him in the butt with a rifle.
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2099net wrote:I know I'm in the minority here, but I think it's most probably wrong to blame David Stainton, this business plan was more than likely finalised before he was hired.
Yeah, I don't really want to shoot the messenger. And judging from a few other comments here you are not in the minority.

I do have this to say. Although we all knew this day would come, it does sadden me in a way I didn't think it would. It is, after all, a business decision, and time will tell if it was the right one.

But I am a bit of a romantic - art conquers all, and all that. And as a lover of animation, it saddens me that my favourite studio has not only closed the doors of all their places but one, but that they have no plans to continue that which I love in the near future.

But more than that I am angered. I couldn't help but feel angry at the way the staff have been treated. Do the Powers That Be at Disney think so little of them? More to the point, do they think so little of us - the fans and consumers - that they believe their audience cannot tell one product from another, so it does not matter what they put out. I'm still an advocate of DTVs (they are the last castle of 2D after all), as they make sense business wise and are quite fun if you actually watch them, but it is the attitude that angers me.

There is nothing to now but sit it out. Or is there? Have we truly made our voices heard? And if we did now, would it make any difference? Sadly, I don't think it would.
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No, Disney animation fans did NOT make their voices heard...when it mattered. When the first DTV sequel to a WALT-produced film hit the boards, where were you all? Where were the Disney fans filing grievances with the Artist's Rights Foundation? Where were the protests? Where were the editors of the Disney fan websites, pointing to the future we now find ourselves in?

Roy Disney is now raising hell. If you want to fight back, join his cause:

www.savedisney.com

Make your voice heard. Stop being passive. There are moments in history where you must stop thinking about what is right -- and you must FIGHT for what is right.

Get off the sidelines. Join the battle.

FIGHT.

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Killing what made Disney Disney?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business ... -headlines
Killing what made Disney Disney?
Animation studio's closure bad for Disney; bitter blow for Orlando
By Roger Moore
Sentinel Movie Critic

January 13, 2004

Disney, the company that rode to glory on the colorful, animated backs of a mouse and seven dwarfs, took a giant step getting out of hand-drawn animation altogether Monday when it shut down Disney Feature Animation Florida, its Orlando studio.

It's a "cost-cutting" move from a company that isn't so much soul-searching as selling its soul -- and selling short. This follows years of overseas studio closures as well as recent layoffs here and at the studio's flagship animation operation in Burbank. Disney has even been selling off the animation gear, down to the desks the animators used to do their scribbling.

Disney isn't getting out of animation entirely. But the company is abandoning a way of making films that has connected with audiences for more than 70 years, an expensive, labor-intensive and painstaking style of animation that always had been worth the expense -- up to now.

That means that the Orlando-made Brother Bear and next April's computer-and-hand-animated Home on the Range will be the last Disney cartoons animated by artists sketching and painting and making the characters move. They will be the last films that Walt himself could have picked up a pencil and pitched in on, were he thawed out from that freezer where urban legend has long ensconced him.

No more Fantasia hippos in tutus, dancing with caped alligators, given their fluid, comic dimension by painstaking, cell-by-cell drawing and painting.

No more little elephants who can fly or little Hawaiian girls who go their own way, breaking our hearts because feelings transmit better when they go straight from hand to page, without a silicon chip in between.

Computer-animated movies from Toy Story and Finding Nemo to DreamWorks' Shrek have boasted of the increasing "realism" of the forms and motion. But nobody goes to a cartoon for the realism. We want the abstract, the whimsy, the personality and humanity that rendering figures by hand, frame by frame, gives us. Disney, the studio that invented and perfected the "classic" hand-drawn animated feature film with 1937's Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, 1941's Dumbo and 1967's The Jungle Book, will never win a best-animated-feature Oscar for the sort of handcrafted films that made the studio famous. That's ironic, given that this is an Oscar category pretty much invented to honor films such as Beauty and the Beast (1991), The Lion King (1994) and Tarzan (1999).

Sure, all those films had a bit of computer assistance, here and there. And Disney expects to share in Pixar's computer-animated 3-D glory if Finding Nemo cops the animation Oscar this year. But already the buzz is building for the eccentric and personal -- and decidedly hand-drawn -- French cartoon The Triplets of Belleville. Disney doesn't make them like that anymore. (And if you believe the Disney spin that it has two more traditionally animated features "in development," I have some Florida swamp land I'd like to show you -- right next to the multimillion-dollar animation headquarters being abandoned at Walt Disney World.

For Orlando, this is a bitter blow, and not just for the more than 250 animators who will either be uprooted or have to change careers. While Burbank was frittering away millions on ideas bad (Hercules, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, The Emperor's New Groove) and badly executed (Treasure Planet), the Orlando operation was Disney's home of the hits.

The little studio that started as a walk-through attraction at the Disney-MGM Studios theme park earned its stripes by making Roger Rabbit shorts. It later became home to much of the animation division's best work -- the Eastern-art inspired Mulan, the retro watercolored Lilo & Stitch -- films that recalled the golden age of animation while reminding Disney that story and emotion are what brings cartoons to life.

Disney's historic difficulties in wrestling with stories that weren't the whitest of white bread disappeared when the work was done far from the eyes of the big bosses in California. The Chinese folk tale Mulan, a dazzlingly stylish telling of the African-American Legend of John Henry, the watercolor Hawaiians of Lilo & Stitch and the American Indians of Brother Bear all rolled out of Orlando.

If Brother Bear -- the weakest of the Orlando-made cartoons but still a moneymaker -- suffered from the same story and character problems that have troubled the Burbank factory of late, it may be because of neglect. The front office stopped sweating the details on these films years ago. It has long been more concerned with renewing its contract with Pixar, slashing costs and replicating the fluky box-office bonanza of The Lion King, the hand-drawn megahit that made the accountants salivate and the studio overextend.

After the success of Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and finally The Lion King, the rare and doted-on animation "events" that came every few years -- roughly once in a childhood -- became something the studio wanted to count on a couple of times a year. Films that might have gone direct to video earlier now found their way into theaters. Worst of all, those cut-rate films, from 2000's The Tigger Movie to 2001's Recess, cost less than producing a classic -- and earned money.

The pricey "event" films became devalued -- compromised, formulaic, or attached too strongly to a single clever notion (Gerald Scarfe's distinct animation style in 1997's Hercules, for instance).

But that's happened before. Disney has weathered dry spells, when the ideas and the animators got stale and the management crotchety; the whole Robin Hood (1973) through Oliver & Company (1988) era was the most recent. Other animation houses either outsourced their hand-drawn animation overseas, or got out of it altogether.

But there was always somebody at Disney -- some credit Disney nephew Roy Disney, who just quit the board in a struggle over power and vision -- who wouldn't let the bean counters kill off Walt's animation division.

It took Jeffrey Katzenberg to micromanage animation back to life. Now he's the K in DreamWorks SKG, making "tradigital" Disney knockoffs such as Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron and Sinbad.

Maybe the staggering success of the computer-animated Toy Story, Finding Nemo and Shrek has truly rendered hand-drawing characters "old-fashioned" or impractical. Maybe spotting a common Florida lizard and being inspired to make an alien named Stitch skitter rather than walk, as Orlando animator Alex Kuperschmidt did, can be done better with fewer animators playing with a computer -- in Burbank.

But take away Nemo's 3-D novelty. Give its story and jokes to men and women with pens and ink. It wouldn't have been the same movie. The folks who drew Beauty and the Beast or Mulan might have made it even better.

Disney's current leadership can sputter all they want about the nature of animation evolving, about how they're not "killing" anything, about the need to slash costs to boost a deflated stock price. But the House that Walt Built may never be the same.

Disney boss Michael Eisner is at an age where he should start thinking about his Disney legacy. Killing the thing that made Disney Disney is not the way he should want to be remembered.
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Ernest Rister wrote:"David reportedly tried to continue, insisting that "the public couldn't really tell the difference between the direct-to-video stuff and the films that Feature Animation actually produces." This comment was also met with boos."


HA HA HA HA HA! WHAT A LOAD OF @#$%! The public is too stupid to be able to tell the difference between the quality of the animation in "Atlantis" versus "Atlantis II: Milo Returns"? The difference in quality between "Hunchback" and "Hunchback II"? "Pocahontas" and "Pocahontas II"? "Cinderella" and "Cinderella 2"? What utter DISHONESTY! Of COURSE people can tell the difference, but the people BUYING that crap don't care, they're just soccer moms picking up something that will shut their kids up for 90 minutes, or they're propellor-head Disney fans who'll defend anything that comes down the corporate poop-chute.

It's a good thing I wasn't at that meeting, they would have had to drag me from the room.
And it now appears Jim Hill has apologised about the article, including Stainton's comments on sequels:
"I didn't even remotely say that. That was the point that was implied by the question I was being asked--the artist was saying that the public was very confused by the direct-to-video product and our feature films, and I was making your point exactly--the audience knows and is not at all confused by the different types of movies that we make."
http://www.jimhillmedia.com/articles/01162004.1.htm

I suppose this retraction will not get a fraction of the publicity the initial article did. :roll:

So it appears, as I have stated before in another Stainton bashing thread, you cannot believe anything self-published on the web, and even his interviews with journalists it's possible for comments to be taken out of context.
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