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Fantasmic wrote:I've heard rumours of a movie focused on the Dwarfs.
Is that the same thing Jim Hill told his readers about?:
As for "Disney Dwarves" … While touring the Frank Wells building back in March, I actually came across a beat board for the direct-to-DVD film that would be used to launch this new franchise. It actually proposed creating a "Lord of the Rings" -like back story for the world of the Seven Dwarfs. So that - in a prequel to Disney's "Snow White" - we'd actually learn how these seven characters became friends and eventually came to live together.

Now I know that this particular concept may sound like heresy to all you Disney purists out there. But having seen some of the "Disney Dwarves" concept art as well as read through the beat board (Which proposed some rather unique ideas like having Dopey being abandoned as a baby and then being raised by humans) … I have to say that this project actually has some real potential. Which is why - in spite of John Lasseter's edict that WDFA will produce no more unnecessary sequels - that I'm kind of hoping that Disney Toon Studios continues working on "Disney Dwarves." To see if something interesting can come out of this originated-by-Disney-Consumer-Products production.
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Sometimes I feel I am the only one who wished they had. I always wanna know what happens next.
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I have to admit that a book series about the dwarfs would be cool.
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Though Disney was against sequels, he did have a few ideas that used characters that had previously proved to be popular; these ideas never really took off, though.

I seem to recall a short featuring Peter the Pegasus, the young pegasus from Fantasia's Pastoral Symphony. It was a concept for another version of Fantasia, back when Walt was trying to make it a constant continuation.
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bradhig, I know what you mean, but I always remind myself that Disney sequels NEVER manage to live up to their predicessors. I can't really think of any sequel Disney have done to their classics that has worked awfully well, unless you include Fantasia 2000, which is more of a continuation.

I say that Disney shouldn't rely on past successes so much - don't copy what you have done before, surpass it.




If I had to choose, I think I would prefer a 'dwarfs' series to a film. Somehow it feels right, setting it at a suitable distance from the original film, so that both can be seen separately.

I wonder if the second release of the 'Snow White' PE is connected (or was originally intended to connect) to this 'dwarfs' franchise, as numerous other DVD releases are intended to coincide with sequels and spinoffs. To be honest, I prefer the idea of 'dwarfs' to 'fairies', as it perhaps has more potential with so many well-established characters, but I would rather neither happened really.
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Disneyfreak1990 wrote:i'm glad they gave in and didn't make a sequel to Snow White. she's to much of a classic to ruin, besides where are they going to find someone who can do Snow perfectly along with the dwarfs. if they were to do a sequel it would have to be along the lines of Cinderella III's storyplot.
They didn't "give in." Like I've said before, if they wanted to do one, they would. Theyve never made an announcement about one anyways, so it doesn't matter. But like I said, the anti-sequelists havent stopped them from doing any of the other sequels, and Snow White would be no different. Lesser Disney fans enjoy the sequels, and they're the majority, so that's who Disney makes them for. And actually Disney already has modern voices for each and every character they could possibly need for their parks, sequels, shorts, or tv series. Besides, there will be a new Snow White animated story anyways, with the new Disney Princess Enchanted Stories line of DVDs.
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Fantasmic wrote:Lesser Disney fans enjoy the sequels, and they're the majority, so that's who Disney makes them for.
That comment comes across as being a bit elitist, snobbish and rude. I'm a big Disney fan, who has most of the sequels. I think a lot are fairly poor, but there are some very entertaining films in the sequels, and I think they are getting better. I really enjoy BATB : Enchanted Christmas, The Lion King sequels, Cinderella III, Bambi II to name a few.

The fact that I like these doesn't mean I'm some kind of 'lesser Disney fan'!

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MagicMirror wrote: bradhig, I know what you mean, but I always remind myself that Disney sequels NEVER manage to live up to their predicessors. I can't really think of any sequel Disney have done to their classics that has worked awfully well, unless you include Fantasia 2000, which is more of a continuation.
Never is a strong word, especially in matters of opinion. I consider Rescuers Down Under to be far superior to the original. I also felt that Bambi 2 lived up to the original, and Cinderella 3 did in many ways, though not completely. Also, Disney has had some live-action sequels I preferred to the originals.

Of course, Disney should continue to create totally original material. But I'm so sick of complaints anytime someone makes a sequel, saying, "Why can't they be original instead?" You CAN be original and still make a sequel, both separately and on the same project. Disney is capable of making original films while also making sequels, and Disney is capable of making original sequels. It's more of a problem of keeping the quality level up. Complaints about reusing characters make little sense. There's no logical reason not to reuse good characters if you can provide new adventures for them that make sense and stay true to the originals, or tell parts of their story that were skipped previously, as in Bambi's case. One person can call such a film unnecessary, but plenty of people probably wondered what happened in those unseen periods that sequels, prequels, and midquels can cover. Some folks get more invested in characters than others, and those folks want to know more of their story. No one's life story can be told completely in 1 to 3 hours. Giving us more of their stories only makes characters more real. The only real problem and logical complaint is one of quality. Disney definitely produced more low quality DTVs than quality ones, but the quality ones are fine additions to any collection, and some of the so-so ones have their moments.
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bradhig wrote:Sometimes I feel I am the only one who wished they had. I always wanna know what happens next.
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darth_deetoo wrote:
Fantasmic wrote:Lesser Disney fans enjoy the sequels, and they're the majority, so that's who Disney makes them for.
That comment comes across as being a bit elitist, snobbish and rude. I'm a big Disney fan, who has most of the sequels. I think a lot are fairly poor, but there are some very entertaining films in the sequels, and I think they are getting better. I really enjoy BATB : Enchanted Christmas, The Lion King sequels, Cinderella III, Bambi II to name a few.

The fact that I like these doesn't mean I'm some kind of 'lesser Disney fan'!

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Oh, I'm really sorry, that wasn't my implication at all! I'm a huge Disney fan (beyond obsession) and like the sequels also; I was really upset when they said they wouldn't be making any more (it was our only source of new 2-D animation at the time, and even so, Frog Princess is still far away, and Enchanted only features 10 minutes that are animated). What I meant was that the people who have problems with the sequels are usually bigger Disney fans (not saying all big Disney fans are anit-sequels), not the average person who buys them for their families. That's all I meant, I'm sorry if it came off wrong. :(
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Okay, no harm done. Your first post came across as being a sequel hater and purist. Don't particularly think there's anything wrong with not liking the sequel's if they aren't your thing, but I don't understand the hatred they seem to attract from some quarters. I admit, some of them have been fairly dire, but they have been getting better on the whole, and some of them have been very good. I really enjoyed Cinderella III and if they were all made to that quality, I think people's opinions of them would quickly turn around. The sad fact is, they have been the only source of traditional 2D animation from Disney for a long time now, and I'm willing to support them to at least show Disney there is still a healthy market for traditional animation.
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darth_deetoo wrote:Okay, no harm done. Your first post came across as being a sequel hater and purist. Don't particularly think there's anything wrong with not liking the sequel's if they aren't your thing, but I don't understand the hatred they seem to attract from some quarters. I admit, some of them have been fairly dire, but they have been getting better on the whole, and some of them have been very good. I really enjoyed Cinderella III and if they were all made to that quality, I think people's opinions of them would quickly turn around. The sad fact is, they have been the only source of traditional 2D animation from Disney for a long time now, and I'm willing to support them to at least show Disney there is still a healthy market for traditional animation.
Ohh haha no, I'm not a sequel hater by any means (although there were a couple individual ones that I didn't like, on the majority I enjoy them, especially the recent ones, like you said), and I agree that it sucks that its our only source of new 2-D animation (until our temporary taste in Enchanted and then Frog Princess), but I would still buy them anyways.
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In the words of Walt Disney himself: "You can't top pigs with pigs."
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FantasiaMan wrote:In the words of Walt Disney himself: "You can't top pigs with pigs."
I was going to quote that, and then I thought 'You know, you don't HAVE to top pigs. You can just try and give the pigs an enjoyable companion'.

To me, that is what MOST of the sequels have done. With the exception of a few early efforts (the first Aladdin sequel; the Beauty and Beast Evils and Cinderella II), the sequels have all been enjoyable and pure fun. They haven't tried to top the original, nor have they claimed to take away their crown (although Disney's insistence on only making the 'Classics' available for a short time may mean the sequel is more readily available than the original sometimes).

Admittedly, the last animated sequel I watched was the enjoyable Brother Bear II. I am yet to catch up on Bambi II; Brother Bear 2; The Fox and the Hound 2 and Cinderella III (as the latter two have yet to be released here). However, I thought there was steady improvement in the line. There are lightyears of difference between the Little Mermaid sequel and the Lady and the Tramp one (released a year apart), and 101 Dalmatians II: Patch's London Adventure; Stitch! The Movie; Lion King 1.5 and Lilo & Stitch 2: Stitch Has a Glitch were all top-notch productions.

I think that it is time to move away from 'What Walt would have done'. It has been 70 years since Snow White came out, and even his terrific imagination couldn't have foreseen the demands of a market driven by so many competing media.
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I think that the idea about the Dwarves movie is pretty good. They could make a really cool epic story showing how those characters came together. They never really explained much about them and as long as it would stay true to their characters in Snow White, it could be a very welcome edition to the DTV sequeals.
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Loomis wrote:Admittedly, the last animated sequel I watched was the enjoyable Brother Bear II. I am yet to catch up on Bambi II; Brother Bear 2; The Fox and the Hound 2 and Cinderella III (as the latter two have yet to be released here).
Um, I think you messed up a little Loomis. Why do you need to catch up on "Brother Bear 2", if you have watched "Brother Bear II". Or do the numerals make it different? Is Australia a little loopy?
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One off-topic question. Am I the only one who thought the seven dwarfs were brothers?
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