Disney DVD-Rs for Trade

[The Lizard King]

Hello Everyone,

Here are the Disney titles that I have on DVD-R that are not available on DVD in one form or another. All are in ENGLISH. All trade proposals are welcome. Just e-mail (preferred method) or pm me. Here is my list:

1. Song of the South (Hong Kong LaserDisc transfer -- menus, chapter selection, trailers, a composite Johnny Mercer radio spot, an Easter egg -- no subtitles).

2. Song of the South (Japanese LaserDisc transfer -- menus, chapter selection, trailers, a composite Johnny Mercer radio spot, a different Easter egg than the HK disc -- Japanese subtitles on singing parts only).

3. Song of the South (Japanese LaserDisc transfer -- menus, chapter selection, all three uncut Johnny Mercer radio spots -- Japanese subtitles on singing parts only).

4. Make Mine Music (Japanese LaserDisc transfer -- menus, chapter selection -- uncut and unedited -- Japanese subtitles on singing and reading parts only).

5. Melody Time (Japanese LaserDisc transfer -- menus, chapter selection -- unedited -- Japanese subtitles on singing and reading parts only).

6. Bambi (American LaserDisc transfer -- menus, chapter selection).

7. Cinderella (American LaserDisc transfer -- menus, chapter selection).

8. The Best of Roger Rabbit (American LaserDisc transfer -- menus, chapter selection -- unedited -- the 3 shorts on the factory-issue DVD of Who Framed Roger Rabbit is edited).

9. An Officer and a Duck (American LaserDisc transfer -- menus, chapter selection).

10. Kids Is Kids (American DiscoVision LaserDisc transfer -- menus, chapter selection -- a collection of Donald Duck shorts all with his three mischievous nephews).

11. Tom and Huck (American LaserDisc transfer -- menus, chapter selection -- Dolby Digital 5.1 -- nonanamorphic widescreen -- factory DVD is Pan & Scan).

12. Der Fuehrer's Face/Education for Death/DisneyTV (no menu, chapter stops -- PAL-to-NTSC VHS tape transfer for DFF and EFD; American LaserDisc transfer for DTV).

13. Perri (no menu, chapter stops -- PAL-to-NTSC VHS tape transfer).

14. Dr. Syn Alias The Scarecrow (no menu, chapter stops -- NTSC VHS tape transfer).

15. The Muppet Christmas Carol (American LaserDisc transfer -- menu, chapter stops -- nonanamorphic widescreen).

16. Muppet Treasure Island (American LaserDisc transfer -- menu, chapter stops -- Dolby Digital 5.1 -- nonanamorphic widescreen -- factory DVD is Pan & Scan).

17. Homeward Bound (American LaserDisc transfer -- menu, chapter stops -- nonanamorphic widescreen).

18. Disney UNCENSORED (Japanese LaserDisc tranfers -- menu, chapter selection). Contains the following shorts: 1. The Three Little Pigs -- 1933; 2. Broken Toys -- 1935 ; 3. Clock Cleaners -- 1937 ; 4. Mother Goose Goes Hollywood -- 1938 ; 5. The Autograph Hound -- 1939; 6. Pluto's Dream House -- 1940; 7. Mickey's Runaway Brain -- 1995.

19. Johnny Tremain (American LaserDisc transfer -- menus, chapter selection).

20. Toby Tyler (American LaserDisc transfer -- menus, chapter selection).

21. Saludos Amigos (American LaserDisc transfer -- menu, chapter stops -- unedited).

22. The Sword and the Rose (American LaserDisc transfer -- menu, chapter stops).

23. Kidnapped (American LaserDisc transfer -- menu, chapter stops).

I have a ton of other stuff on DVD-R from LD, but they are not Disney-related (like the original non-CGI (Theatrical) and the 1997 Special Edition Star Wars Trilogy -- both in ANAMORPHIC widescreen!). If you want to know about anything that I may have that is a non-Disney title, just e-mail (preferred) or pm me. I have lots of stuff not on commercial DVD and very rare to find, like Robinson Crusoe on Mars and The (Ernst) Lubitsch Touch and MANY MORE!

Check out my spotless feedback record in this forum and trade with me in complete confidence!

TLK

[Chernabog]

Sorry to say this Lizard King - but this is illegal to offer.
This has no place on this board.
I know that all these films are highly looked for and wanted, but it´s not correct to openly begin with trades or selling of illegal items here, it can harm the site more than it do it any good.
Please erase or edit your offer Lizzard King.
Or maybe Luke can erase it totally.
Luke don´t let us users go to illegality on your wonderful site!
I know that I harm someone with saying this, but this is the fact!

[MickeyMouseboy]

Sorry to say this Lizard King - but this is illegal to offer.
This has no place on this board.
I know that all these films are highly looked for and wanted, but it´s not correct to openly begin with trades or selling of illegal items here, it can harm the site more than it do it any good.
Please erase or edit your offer Lizzard King.
Or maybe Luke can erase it totally.
Luke don´t let us users go to illegality on your wonderful site!
I know that I harm someone with saying this, but this is the fact!

sorry chernabog but i dont think this is your call to say that to lizard king. he posted this early in the afternoon, i'm sure luke has been on and seen this. He hasnt said anything about so dont make decision for us, everyone in this forum has a consience and free will to take LK offer or not. I personally woulnt mind taking a song of the south DVD-R

[Chernabog]

Yes, of course we can allow this things on the site - if we want to be connected to and associated with illegal business.
I hope Luke won´t!
But as you say MickeyMouseBoy, it´s not my thing to decide - I only pointed out my view about this!

[STASHONE]

If it's simply offered for trade in exchange for other goods, than there's nothing illegal about it; but this isn't really my place to get involved.

[poco]

I don't see what the issue is. I mean, there are items that are not yet available here in the US. For example, I wanted The Name of the Rose on DVD (Sean Connery) but the US hasn't made it into DVD. I was able to get it through ebay (from Brazil I think). just because it's not here, why should it be wrong for someone else from another country that has the item send it to me? Don't know what the hype is all about.

Now, if someone was posting directions on how to make a bomb or hijack a plane or something, YES, THEN it should be taken off the site, but a copy of Song of the South????????? (course, now I am probably being watched by the FBI for what i just wrote)

[Maerj]

I think that if you offer the DVD-Rs in trade, that it is not illegal. If he were trying to sell them for profit, then it would be, but simply trading them is like trading videotapes of programs you taped off of the television.

[Chernabog]

To make copies of existing films from a DVD or VHS source is not legal just because it has not been released in your country. And Song of the SOuth has not been shown on TV....
We have all discussed this before...and I will not go into it again.
Do as you want, go ahead and do the illegal stuff.
I only think it sucks that this wonderful site should be connected to illegal business.

[The Lizard King]

To make copies of existing films from a DVD or VHS source is not legal just because it has not been released in your country. And Song of the SOuth has not been shown on TV....
We have all discussed this before...and I will not go into it again.
Do as you want, go ahead and do the illegal stuff.
I only think it sucks that this wonderful site should be connected to illegal business.

I'm just trading from one collector to another. I'm not in this for any financial gain. I highly doubt it if Disney really cares, since I'm not an "assembly line" seller of their copyrighted material. My analogy is like jaywalking or spitting on the sidewalk; both are illegal, but your average police officer will not give you a ticket for these offenses. To repeat -- as long as Disney knows that I'm only trading, I doubt it if they will give it much thought.

TLK

[MickeyMouseboy]

how about monster's inc limited edition soundtrack? it's still in the manufactured wrapper and it comes in a numbered tin

[Loomis]

To make copies of existing films from a DVD or VHS source is not legal just because it has not been released in your country. And Song of the SOuth has not been shown on TV....
We have all discussed this before...and I will not go into it again.
Do as you want, go ahead and do the illegal stuff.
I only think it sucks that this wonderful site should be connected to illegal business.

I'm just trading from one collector to another. I'm not in this for any financial gain. I highly doubt it if Disney really cares, since I'm not an "assembly line" seller of their copyrighted material. My analogy is like jaywalking or spitting on the sidewalk; both are illegal, but your average police officer will not give you a ticket for these offenses. To repeat -- as long as Disney knows that I'm only trading, I doubt it if they will give it much thought.

TLK

I have to side with Chernabog here...
If we all start trading ILLEGAL copies of these thing (and let's face it, that is what they are), then what is the incentive for Disney to release proper copies of these down the track? The fans will of course buy new copies when they come out, but that is not the point.
Piracy is something that should not be tolerated here in any form. The site has gone for 3 years, and I might humbly suggest that if we wish to continue, we cease the illegal trade of DVDs.

[wizzer]

most of these are alternative versions of movies that are already avaliable on dvd. if you wan't to see deleted content then these should be an addition to the copys you already have. i think it's nice to know that the resources are here and you don't have to pay 45 dollars on ebay for a good watchable copy of song of the south. the laserdisc will cost you 150 dollars plus, and it takes alot of effort to transfer a laser to dvd all for what? so you can make an enjoyable movie avaliable to the only people who would care. and thats the hard core disney fan. now when someone copies a disc and sells it on e-bay to someone expecting a legit copy, thats pretty dirty. and someone selling a legit copy of say little mermaid, 101 dalmations, or lady and the tramp for 60, 70, even 75! dollars is completely insane. i paid 110 dollars for my copy of swamp thing. 110 dollars! thats a ten dollar dvd. when i joined this site i had maybe 7 disney movies on dvd, and now dumbo, 3 cabs, ichabod, jungle book, adventures of pooh, rescurers, black cauldren and huntchback are the only animated classics i don't have. and i owe it all to not paying 75 dollars for oop dvds just to say "hey i paid a rediculous amount of money for my non anamorphic copy of little mermaid that is going to be replaced with an anamorphic version with extra features in due time." nope. not me. OFFER ME SOMETHING I WANT TO OWN FOR A REASONABLE PRICE AND I WILL BUY IT. i've done alot of rambling, but i feel if you are not interested, and this thread is not shut down, then wait for your legit release of song of the south, and let others decide if an illegitimate copy of SotS is for them or not.

there's no way for me to legitimatly justify copying copyrighted material but i'm glad the resources are easy at hand instead of out of reach of my pocketbook. sorry to crap up your trading thread TLK. i'll say too, you won't find any distibution company willing to give you the easteregg material on those SotS discs anywhere, ever! and it's priceless.

i'll also say that since i've got my dvd burner, you have to really package a dvd so that i want to buy it. for example= little mermaid disc-3.5 gigs of info-30 dollars msrp--50 to 75 dollars ebay--NOT worth it!!! i rented it for 4 dollars and copied it onto a 2 dollar disc, complete with menus. pirates of the carribean-16+ gigs of info-tons of extras, 15 dollars on sale--GOOD deal.

PAL VHS of SotS=50+ dollars + on ebay-- why? you'd own a legit copy but that guy ripped you off worse that a dvd pirate. and vhs looks like shit. i record stuff onto dvd now like i used to do with vhs. i have tales from the crypt, amazing stories and all sorts of movies not released on dvd. i don't have those to rip off stephen spielberg, but if someone wants to see the greibble, or the family dog i got you covered.

now i can go on and on why i like unofficial releases and someone can argue, but what will it get you but a small, exspensive, incomplete dvd library.

[The Lizard King]

sorry to crap up your trading thread TLK.

No crap felt (or smelled) here. Thank you for your input.

TLK

[Rebel]

I'm just trading from one collector to another. I'm not in this for any financial gain. I highly doubt it if Disney really cares, since I'm not an "assembly line" seller of their copyrighted material. My analogy is like jaywalking or spitting on the sidewalk; both are illegal, but your average police officer will not give you a ticket for these offenses. To repeat -- as long as Disney knows that I'm only trading, I doubt it if they will give it much thought.

TLK

Selling or trading or simply giving them away, it does not matter --- you are participating in the illegal distribution of copyrighted material.

The only way that you could legally send someone one of those "Song of the South" DVDs would be if you sent one of the original laser discs along with it.

I can also guarantee you that Disney definitely does care about their copyrights being violated. However, prosecuting is a different matter due to the expense involved. You probably will not be arrested, but that does not validate committing the offense.

[Rebel]

I'm not in this for any financial gain.

If you are not in it for any personal profit, then why not upload the DVD images somewhere for us to download?

[The Lizard King]

Selling or trading or simply giving them away, it does not matter --- you are participating in the illegal distribution of copyrighted material.

I agree. Most copyright lawyers will tell you this.

The only way that you could legally send someone one of those "Song of the South" DVDs would be if you sent one of the original laser discs along with it.

Granted, this is legal grey area according to the attorneys that I've talked to about this subject, but it MAY be legal to distribute it to someone who can prove that they are currently in possession of a legitimate Disney release -- a photograph of the factory-issued LD or PAL VHS tape next to a current major newspaper (with the date in full view) is something that I've seen as "near proof" of ownership. From what I know about the law, if the person that you gave the DVD-R to was to get rid of (sell, give away, etc.) their factory-issued LD or PAL VHS tape, then he/she would have to unload the DVD-R as well.

I can also guarantee you that Disney definitely does care about their copyrights being violated. However, prosecuting is a different matter due to the expense involved. You probably will not be arrested, but that does not validate committing the offense.

This goes right to my spitting on the sidewalk and jaywalking analogy... Prosecution would be much more costly than just letting it go. However, the moral argument can be debated ad infinitim about doing something illegal that is pragmatically not prosecutable. However, I won't get into a debate with you about all the reasons about why I think SOTS should be available to anyone who wants to view it (this is an entirely different thread IMHO).

Thank you for your comments -- I appreciate your cogent arguments. From my point of view, you are making a moral stand with your posts, and I have no problem with this.

TLK

[The Lizard King]

If you are not in it for any personal profit, then why not upload the DVD images somewhere for us to download?

Do you mean the whole 4 Gb of data? Out of curiosity, what website do you know of that will accept that kind of bandwidth?

TLK

[Rebel]

If you are not in it for any personal profit, then why not upload the DVD images somewhere for us to download?

Do you mean the whole 4 Gb of data? Out of curiosity, what website do you know of that will accept that kind of bandwidth?

TLK

I bet I could find one for you. If I did, would you use it?

Bandwidth maybe a somewhat limiting factor for many people today, but the Internet is improving and in a few years a 4GB download will not seem like so much.

(BTW, FYI, I own one of the Region 2 PAL VHS releases of "Song of the South" but I can no longer watch it because my PAL VCR broke and I wore out the NTSC copy that I had made. )

[MickeyMouseboy]

hey lizard dude, I'll trade my GC alice in wonderland for one of your song of the south?

[The Lizard King]

hey lizard dude, I'll trade my GC alice in wonderland for one of your song of the south?

I'll make it even easier on you... Just e-mail me at:

lizrdkingjr@yahoo.com

TLK