Next wave of Walt Disney Treasures? Update: Future In Doubt

[Mr. Toad]

This is what I have as left

Alice in Cartoonland - 50(not all of which still survive)
Bonkers - 1(maybe outside of the Treasures given its date)
Chip N Dale - 3
Donald Duck - 59
Featurettes - 12(many of which may be outside the Treasures given after Walt's Death)
Goofy and Donald - 1
Lafflets - 9(I believe only 1 still exists)
Laugh O Grams - 7(six of which are known to exist and as has already been said Ray Pointer and Inkwell Images have already done a nice job of restoring)
Live Action - 24
Mickey Mouse - 2(contained no new animation and likely wont be released because of music rights issues)
Song O Reel -1(dont think it still exists)
and a few odd cartoons like Suzie and Casey at the Bat.

[jwa1107]

You don't think they'll try to include the surviving Oswald stuff?

[ichabod]

You don't think they'll try to include the surviving Oswald stuff?

It's highly unlikely they'd put the Oswald's in the Treasures series when they're already putting them in the Legacy Collection series.

[Lars Vermundsberget]

Goofy and Donald - 1

Which one would that be?

[ichabod]

Which one would that be?

I assume "Crazy With the Heat" from 1947

[UrsushH.Bear]

I am constantly surprised to see suggestions of new (post 1970) cartoon series. While one or two could complete a line (IE runaway brain).

with the possible decline of the series- many have said there isn't much left. I don't see the Treasures line double dipping from the Legacy line. There are many episodes, made for series films and the educationals left as well. 8 feels a more rounded number than seven, but I too feel *sniff* the Treasures end close.

On a positive thought- for those who hold the power- a "your host ludwig von drake" treasure would be fun. it could include a paul freese special with maybe footage of haunted mansion and other disneyland work (GMWML)- and a double dip of symposium of popular songs.

[slave2moonlight]

The only two cartoons left out of the Rarities section are SUSIE THE LITTLE BLUE COUPE and CASEY BATS AGAIN. Those are just TWO cartoons and certainly not enough to fill a quota for a Rarities disc, even if they included stuff on Alice Comedies or even (heaven forbid) Oswald.

Maybe they could do a set on the Laugh-O-Grams. One thing's for sure, though: a third Donald set will accompany this wave.

There are also three stand-alone Chip and Dales, the two Goofy Freeway two-reelers and the already mentioned Uncle Scrooge and Money. Since the latter day Mickey Mouse cartoons were included, the Small One could be included as well. And there are some Alice comedies that still exist that weren't included on the first Rarities disc (yes, I know there another company has released some of these to DVD).

Yes, there are plenty of cartoons for a second Rarities tin. There are also all the educational shorts, which could easily be included in a rarities tin rather than an education themed tin. With everything mentioned above, PLUS the Jiminy Cricket stuff, plus the What Should I Do shorts, plus some new shorts (created for Fantasia 2006), plus Mathmagicland, Winnie the Pooh Discovers the Seasons, and a few other things folks have mentioned, there is plenty!

[slave2moonlight]

Which one would that be?

I assume "Crazy With the Heat" from 1947

Was "Crazy With the Heat" not on the Goofy set? I thought it was...

[slave2moonlight]

I am constantly surprised to see suggestions of new (post 1970) cartoon series. While one or two could complete a line (IE runaway brain).

So, why is it surprising? There are some great post Walt shorts and featurettes that deserve DVD releases and seem fitting in certain Disney Treasures sets. Why not include them? Three were included in Mickey Mouse in Living Color, and I'm very glad they were, even if some of us, myself included, got a Runaway Brain with out of sync audio. Hope they eventually double-dip on that one.

with the possible decline of the series- many have said there isn't much left. I don't see the Treasures line double dipping from the Legacy line. There are many episodes, made for series films and the educationals left as well. 8 feels a more rounded number than seven, but I too feel *sniff* the Treasures end close.

On a positive thought- for those who hold the power- a "your host ludwig von drake" treasure would be fun. it could include a paul freese special with maybe footage of haunted mansion and other disneyland work (GMWML)- and a double dip of symposium of popular songs.

There is plenty that could be released on Disney Treasures sets, but, as has been said already, what is left mostly appeals only to hardcore Disney fans. I hope they still release such stuff in the Legacy Line, or maybe they could just release several "Best Of" DVDs of the anthology series, and season sets for TV shows like the Mickey Mouse Club. The anthology series is tricky, because of all the episodes that were just airings of theatrical films, but that would be the one time a "Best Of" collection would be appreciated, in my opinion, that eventually released everything EXCEPT those episodes with zero original material.

As for Von Drake, I definitely needs a DVD release, even if they don't give the Disney anthology show its own collection. I would prefer they don't double dip "Symposium on Popular Song," but I suppose they probably would. He has plenty of his own material though. I definitely would like to see Carnival Time come to DVD! And "Square Peg in a Round Hole," if that's the one I'm thinking of... or is it "Inside Donald Duck?" And, somehow, I wish they'd release "Pacifically Peeking" with Moby Duck.

Yeah, like everyone else, I could see them only releasing the last two Donald Duck sets and that being the end of the series. It would be wrong for them NOT to release those two, but it wouldn't be surprising. Whatever happens, I hope those sets hold "Your Host, Donald Duck," and "This is Your Life, Donald Duck." I think I've got those titles right...

Frankly, I would be fine with an end to the Treasures series, assuming the Legacy Collection carries on the torch. In fact, because I must be budget-wise, I wish they had finished with the Treasures before starting the Legacy Collection. Anyway, as I was saying, I would be fine with the Treasures collection ending as long as the Legacy Collection carries on in a similar direction, and IF they at least finish the Donald sets and release a set with the remaining unreleased shorts, like Scrooge McDuck and Money, Winnie the Pooh Discovers the Seasons, the Jiminy Cricket and Chip N' Dale stuff, etc... Those three tins to finish the series would be fine by me. Well.... with one more... if only to respect those folks who bought the first set, I'd like to see them finish what they started with Swamp Fox/Baca. At least that way I wouldn't feel like my collection was incomplete. They should have just released a solid Swamp Fox OR Baca set. I know I might be alone in this, but I prefer Swamp Fox. I just love the Revolutionary War theme. Anyway, it seems they've abandoned the Gargoyles fans, and I'm wondering if they're going to abandon the Lizzie McGuire fans too (it's been a long time since Volume 1 came out, with no Volume 2 in sight), so I wouldn't be surprised if we were left hanging by the Treasures collection. It would be VERY disappointing though, and it would show a great lack of respect for the hardcore fans. If they don't expect as many to sell, they can always produce fewer tins.

[Big Disney Fan]

There are also three stand-alone Chip and Dales, the two Goofy Freeway two-reelers and the already mentioned Uncle Scrooge and Money. Since the latter day Mickey Mouse cartoons were included, the Small One could be included as well. And there are some Alice comedies that still exist that weren't included on the first Rarities disc (yes, I know there another company has released some of these to DVD).

Well, I think they will put the Chip 'n' Dale shorts (and even the ones with Humphrey and the Ranger, too) on the Donald set, like they did with the Figaro shorts on Pluto. As for Scrooge, they could put that on Donald, too, but that and Small One both came out after Walt passed away, so I don't think those will be coming. Besides, Small One was released on the CCF line.

MK Sharp wrote:

To be brutally honest, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Wave 7 including two sets of Chron. Donald, thus finishing off the shorts and allowing them to cut and run on the Treasures range altogether.
In fact, it will not surprise me a bit if the next wave is just two Treasures, the last two DD volumes.

Well, I think two Donald DVDs released at once may be a bit overkill, don't you think? I think they'd need two more volumes (Volume 3: 1947 - 1951 and Volume 4: 1952 - 1961). And maybe they'll have a set on Annette Funicello.

[ichabod]

Well aside from the two obvious Donald sets, I think we do need another animated set to pretty much round up the remaining stuff.

And set with the educational shorts, in particular the Jiminy Cricket "I'm no fool" and "You and Your" shorts could be combined with the "Steel and America" type titles the appeared here and there.

There's potential for a lot more from the Disneyland anthology series to be included, quite frankly I'm gobsmacked the Disney at the World's fair episode has yet to be included (although I'm hoping that could find it's way onto the Secrets, Stories, Magic set), but aside from that there are of course the episodes with Ludwig as mentioned and the episodes which featured new material mixed with older footage/cartoons such as the episode where Jiminy Cricket steps in for walt or the episode which create some depth to Mickey/Donald etc, even some of the documentary type stuff with Ranger Woodlore (even though it did use a bit of reused True Life Footage) and after "Operation Undersea" for whatever stupid reason didn't get included on the 20,000 leagues DVD I'd like to see that too.

As also has been mentioned a set featuring Annette Funicello seems likely and let's not forget she had her own serial on the Mickey Mouse club called "Annette", which would be the same type of release as The Hardy Boys/Spin and Marty.
Let's not forget there were 2 Hardy Boys series and 3 Spin and Marty serials, so those sequels would also be nice to see, also some other serials such as "Corky and White Shadow" starring mouseketeer Darlene, would also be a welcome inclusion as far as I'm concerned.

The Treasures line is definitely not running out of material, I think what people mean is that it is running out of animated material, which really is a different kettle of fish.

[Mr. Toad]

Which one would that be?

I assume "Crazy With the Heat" from 1947

Yep

[MK Sharp]

To be brutally honest, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Wave 7 including two sets of Chron. Donald, thus finishing off the shorts and allowing them to cut and run on the Treasures range altogether.

Well, I think two Donald DVDs released at once may be a bit overkill, don't you think? I think they'd need two more volumes (Volume 3: 1947 - 1951 and Volume 4: 1952 - 1961).

Overkill? Certainly. But if Disney want to bail from the Treasures line early, whipping out the rest of the Donalds in '07 is the most likely outcome. TBH, I was surprised to see Wave 6 contained Pluto and More SS, when the more obvious pairings would have been one each of those coupled with a DD set in Waves 6 and 7.

Who knows, though - we're just speculating into the wind here. Maybe Leonard Maltin has some really special ideas lined up for Waves 7 and 8 which will need the support of a strong Donald set. Educational shorts? Possibly. A second Rarities set that's mostly Alice? I doubt it (although I'd love to see it happen).

[ichabod]

Well I would there at least have been a plan at some point. I know last year the reason Leonard gave for "Susie" and "Casey Bats Again" not being included on the Rarities set was that they "were being saved for a set further down the line", now whether that was just a line to make upset fans feel they wouldn't miss out or whether it actually was true is anyone's guess.

If it was true however, and a plan was in place, that would make it even more worrying that these plans have gone out to window to leave Leonard unsure about any continuation.

I have to say, considering the Oswalds are appearing in the Legacy Collection, if a collection of the surviving Alice's was to appear I'd expect her to appear there too.

[Big Disney Fan]

Which one would that be?

I assume "Crazy With the Heat" from 1947

Crazy With the Heat was not ever on any Goofy filmographies, only Donald Duck's. Which is the case with any of those kinds of cartoons, the ones with both Donald and Goofy: they were shown only on the Donald DVDs.

[Big Disney Fan]

Overkill? Certainly. But if Disney want to bail from the Treasures line early, whipping out the rest of the Donalds in '07 is the most likely outcome. TBH, I was surprised to see Wave 6 contained Pluto and More SS, when the more obvious pairings would have been one each of those coupled with a DD set in Waves 6 and 7.

Who knows, though - we're just speculating into the wind here. Maybe Leonard Maltin has some really special ideas lined up for Waves 7 and 8 which will need the support of a strong Donald set. Educational shorts? Possibly. A second Rarities set that's mostly Alice? I doubt it (although I'd love to see it happen).

How about a DVD containing episodes of the Wonderful World of Color, hosted by Von Drake? Though I think it would also make sense to include "Color and Mathmagicland" as a bonus feature for an upcoming Donald DVD.

[Big Disney Fan]

Well aside from the two obvious Donald sets, I think we do need another animated set to pretty much round up the remaining stuff.

And set with the educational shorts, in particular the Jiminy Cricket "I'm no fool" and "You and Your" shorts could be combined with the "Steel and America" type titles the appeared here and there.

I think a handful of the "I'm no fool" shorts may (and this is a big "may") be released on the upcoming Pinocchio PE. And "Steel and America" could be part of the Donald DVD as a bonus feature.

[slave2moonlight]

There's potential for a lot more from the Disneyland anthology series to be included, quite frankly I'm gobsmacked the Disney at the World's fair episode has yet to be included (although I'm hoping that could find it's way onto the Secrets, Stories, Magic set), but aside from that there are of course the episodes with Ludwig as mentioned and the episodes which featured new material mixed with older footage/cartoons such as the episode where Jiminy Cricket steps in for walt or the episode which create some depth to Mickey/Donald etc, even some of the documentary type stuff with Ranger Woodlore (even though it did use a bit of reused True Life Footage) and after "Operation Undersea" for whatever stupid reason didn't get included on the 20,000 leagues DVD I'd like to see that too.

As also has been mentioned a set featuring Annette Funicello seems likely and let's not forget she had her own serial on the Mickey Mouse club called "Annette", which would be the same type of release as The Hardy Boys/Spin and Marty.
Let's not forget there were 2 Hardy Boys series and 3 Spin and Marty serials, so those sequels would also be nice to see, also some other serials such as "Corky and White Shadow" starring mouseketeer Darlene, would also be a welcome inclusion as far as I'm concerned.

Ah, I would definitely love for the Ranger Woodlore episodes of the anthology to get a release! Plus, there are some episodes that are compilations of shorts but with special footage linking them together that I'd still like to have, like the program about Chip N Dale where they do their song and dance, or the "On Vacation With Mickey and Friends" program hosted by Jiminy. There's also "Jiminy's Christmas Gift," or is that one actually titled "From All of Us, to All of You?" And there's Coyote's Lament. Just a few of the ones I'd like to have on DVD despite mostly being made up of shorts. All those Mickey Mouse Club serials would be great too, though, in truth, I would have preferred them in the context of the Mickey Mouse Club, released in volume sets!

[Lars Vermundsberget]

I assume "Crazy With the Heat" from 1947

Crazy With the Heat was not ever on any Goofy filmographies, only Donald Duck's. Which is the case with any of those kinds of cartoons, the ones with both Donald and Goofy: they were shown only on the Donald DVDs.

Not having any lists at hand right now to check, I assume that this is the only D&G short not _yet_ included in the DD volumes...? I guess these were not included in the "Complete Goofy" set because that set was filled up well as it was... As has been pointed out from time to time over the years, the "Highway" shorts weren't included either.

There is, of course, potential for several more waves of WDTs - both animated and other material. But what we "NEED" first and foremost is the rest of the classic animated shorts, that is the DD shorts, C&D, that could very well be included in the DD volumes - and just a few more, specifically "Susie" and "Casey"...

[DL-Craze]

This is what I have as left

Alice in Cartoonland - 50(not all of which still survive)
Bonkers - 1(maybe outside of the Treasures given its date)
Chip N Dale - 3
Donald Duck - 59
Featurettes - 12(many of which may be outside the Treasures given after Walt's Death)
Goofy and Donald - 1
Lafflets - 9(I believe only 1 still exists)
Laugh O Grams - 7(six of which are known to exist and as has already been said Ray Pointer and Inkwell Images have already done a nice job of restoring)
Live Action - 24
Mickey Mouse - 2(contained no new animation and likely wont be released because of music rights issues)
Song O Reel -1(dont think it still exists)
and a few odd cartoons like Suzie and Casey at the Bat.

Would Donald in Mathmagicland be part of those 59 DD Cartoons?