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Just some things Ithat have been bugging me for so long.

1. Why do R3 (or other regions for that matter, i.e. R2) releases always seem to suck more than R1 releases. Case in point, Beauty and the Beast, Cinderella, Lady & the Tramp, Toy Story 1/2 10th AE and BroBear was released as single disc editions only.

Granted that the 1.33:1 P&S in LatT was not included so that could have probably saved some space and shoved the features into a single disc. What about BatB?? AFAIK, it only has the Special Edition on the disc without the theatrical or the WIP version. However, it probably had the most number of soundtracks (which I think it had 5). I should have double dipped for BatB since the Chinese tracks featured none other than Jackie Chan for the Beast in both the spoken and singing tracks. :P

2. The Lion King got a double disc in R3 however it was poorly authored. Upon viewing the structure of the disc and extracting the individual MPEG segments, I found out that the "mini-documentary" for the Circle of Life done by the Circle of stars was actually ON the disc but not linked on the menus. Not that the feature was of any importance but it does show that the authoring process was done very sloppily without any quality checking.

There are other discs out there suffering the same fate....I'll leave that up to those with copies to find out. :lol:

3. Tarzan SE R3 got a 2-disc version in both releases unlike R1, however the audio remains the same as 5.0 DD (unlike the 5.1DD in R1). I'm not too sure if this is a cover misprint or not though, as I'm partial in confirming that there is a .1 channel.

The bad point is that the localised track in Malay (the one and only ever dubbed into this language) was never used although they are stored in the archives for future implementations. This has been confirmed by the distributor locally. According to them, the "market size" for the Malay dub was too small to warrant inclusion onto both releases. Thailand however always gets an audio track on the R3 releases (not that I'm dissing Thai or anything). So this means Disney/BV authors the R3 discs based on the largest market share....lucky Japan is not listed under this region :)

I further asked the local distributors about the possiblity of a revised version that includes this Malay audio track (with actual Malay (BM) subtitles alongside Indonesian ones) and they said that they couldn't since BV-US controls the production AND manufacturing of all R3 discs (surprise surprise!!) and the cost of authoring a single basic disc (i.e. menu, movie, mutliple audio, subs) runs around US$50,000. Multipled by 2 and increasing complexity, a release can run somewhere around US$100k++ and this does NOT include costs for restoration/remixing etc.

So in summary, R3 releases will only possibly contain the following languages : Original English, Thai, Mandarin, Cantonese and Korean. Even if other dubs exist they cannot justify inclusion onto a SE/PE/Standard release. Dissapointing huh? :?

4. Why bother releasing R3 if they are importing R1 versions anyway? Toy Story 1/2 10th AE was released locally as BOTH double disc R1 and single disc R3. If I wanted the additional features, I need to get the R1 version. If I wanted the other languages (Woody sounds great in Cantonese :lol: ) I need to get the R3....forced double-dipped?? Same goes for Lizzie-McGuire Movie, Herbie, Pirates of the Caribben, etc... Just release 1 version as what was done for Mary Poppins, Narnia and the Ghibli studio stuff (R1 releases only)

(Note: Ghibli studio stuff is actually released by 2 different distributors locally. One contains the BV dub track from Disney and the other is usually the HongKong version with the Cantonese audio)

5. Next rant probablyy occured elsewhere on different occasions too....advertising as a double disc only to be released as a single disc version. R3 suffered that fate in Cinderella and The Little Mermaid.

6. They're probably going to force another double-dip on fans with the release of High School Musical. Only the R1 Encore Edition was out locally....however, there have been rumours that a different version might come out later (i.e. some what like the Remix Edition) that includes the localised/asian version of the title song done on Disney Channel.

7. Regions, regions and more regions. My Disney collection contains discs from R1, R2, R3, R4 and R6..... 'Nuff said. Why rant about this you may ask?? Well it all goes into the actual encoding. Since R2 and R4 are encoded as PAL, it suffers all the speed issues. Unfortunately, I'm probably one of those few that feel this difference especially in the audio department with the near-semitone shift up. But I still buy PAL discs anyway depending on the price, quality and features of the feature.

R3 probably has the most confusing standards EVER. Broadcast TV (both analogue and digital) is in PAL. DVDs are in NTSC. VCDs can be in either PAL or NTSC. Videocassettes are in PAL. Which is why ALL (and I mean all, everything) AV equipment is multi-system and multi-region capable. Even those coming from well known brands. JVC, Sony, Phillips and Samsung players are all sold region free and multi-system capable. Wierd huh??

Anyone wanting to know the quality of the encoding in a Disney feature for R3 can refer to the R1 versions. AFAIK, they use the same video transfer but differ only in audio tracks. (Which makes me wonder about the abysmal quality of Little Mermaid in most of the R1 reviews I've read). BTW, High School Musical is one show that does NOT play well in PAL. Everything sounds really bad.


OK, I've ranted enough.....glad to get that off my chest at last :P

PS: Those wanting to know about R3 (Malaysia/Brunei) releases for Disney titles can refer to http://www.bhvn.cc
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Post by winniedu77 »

hi!
I'm french but my origins are chinese. i've got the R3 Disney DVDs for their mandarin tracks.
I have noticed that there are only 1-single discs released in R3. that's really a pity for you. In fact, I have the French releases so i'm lucky.
I want the R3 Alice DVD but no mandarin. How come?
When will the R3 little mermaid edition be released? I mean with the mandarin track because the Kr edition will be out shortly.
Can you tell me where can I buy the Malaysia editions of Disney? Are they cheaper?
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Most of the recent releases are single disc only. The only double disc editions for R3 that I can currently recall are Snow White, Lion King, Tarzan, Mulan and Bambi.

Alice in Wonderland was released twice - once as part of the gold collection and the other coincides with the R1 2disc version (but single disc only). Don't know about the audio tracks though, but there should be a Mandarin track on the disc. The show is broadcast on the Disney Channel in Mandarin/English so the track does exist.

The Little Mermaid R3 was released on 4th October along with the R1 edition in America (see http://www.bhvn.cc/malaysia/products-de ... 92&cid=250 )

Unfortunately I don't know of any place that sells R3 (Malaysia/Brunei) DVDs of Disney titles online. Best bet is either CDWow or Yesasia but they source their discs from HongKong or Korea.

Most Disney DVDs retail for around RM70 (which is approx US$18 ) although the price does vary a lot. Tarzan SE was only RM62.90 plus there was an additional 20% discount making the final price about RM50 or approx US$13.

R1 discs released locally are even more confusing...Toystory was set at RM129.90 (or US$35) but Narnia CE 2-disc is only RM89.90 (or $US23). Both can be purchased in store usually at discounts of up to 20%. Older batches of Disney live action movies now retail for RM29.90 - 10% discount (or US$8, US$6.35 with discount).

In house offers can sometimes create good discounts. Double pack of Incredibles with Dinosaur was RM88 or US$23.
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Here is the philippines edition, what a great digipack! :D
the pictures are taken from http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=57915.0

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Unfortunately I can't buy it anywhere! I have to wait the Chinese edition (HK or TW) to get the mandarin track but surely in an amaray case! :cry:
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Little Mermaid R3

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Finally took a look at the R3 release of The Little Mermaid Special Edition at the stores here eventhough they've been out since Oct 4th.

Its a 2-disc set but unfortunately NOT similar to the R2 or R1 releases. Both the Little Mermaid and TLMII are packaged together in the set (similar to the one found here http://www.dvdvideoplanet.com/product_i ... s_id=10944 ) Both movies have 5 audio tracks/languages and has features similar to other single disc releases.
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Buyoyo has the R3 for sale now. Don't know if it's one or two discs.
http://www.buyoyo.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce ... 1&curr=USD
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can someone tell me how is the pack with the 2 movies of the little mermaid (1&2)? are they 2 DVDs (amarays) sold separately with the slip cover put in the package?
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gau dog wrote:Buyoyo has the R3 for sale now. Don't know if it's one or two discs.
http://www.buyoyo.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce ... 1&curr=USD
I'm afraid that this is a 1-disc DVD.
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The Little Mermaid in Thailand has also only 1 disc, we are in the same region, right? :(

But in Thailand, released date will be postponed to 25 January 2007! since the right of distribution has finished from CVD International and it fell to Pacific Marketing and Entertainment.

Anyway, all the contents will be same as Malay, Hong Kong and the Philippines one.
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where do ya buy these R3 DVDs? online?
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i've bought one R3HK Disney title and one R3 Disney title only.
it was "Finding Nemo". the disc was fine but it sure felt like it was missing something. the much-talked about fullscreen edition of the movie. even though, if u look around the disc, you hear mentions of it plastered on the DVD. but it's nowhere to be found on the actual DVD itself.

i'll have to tolerate it for now only because the cantonese dub features some of my favorite actors in it. namely Lau Ching-Wan as Marlin.

and i've seen "Tarzan" in cantonese. voices are great for the most part but i couldn't understand a word coming through Takeshi Kaneshiro (his heavy taiwanese accent and constant mumbling is the cause of this). from what i understand, he was the voice of Tarzan in 4 different dubs of the movie (Cantonese, Mandarin-Taiwan, Mandarin-China, and Japanese).

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Post by winniedu77 »

It is a question that I wanted to have the answer: Is the Mandarin track different in China and Taiwan as in France and Quebec?
If so, the R3 Disney DVDs are mandarin from Taiwan and the R6 from China.
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winniedu77 wrote:It is a question that I wanted to have the answer: Is the Mandarin track different in China and Taiwan as in France and Quebec?
If so, the R3 Disney DVDs are mandarin from Taiwan and the R6 from China.
i've noticed that the Hong Kong R3 dvd's tend to include the Mandarin (China) rather than Taiwanese dubs because Bu Xue-Liang's voice was never featured in my "Finding Nemo" dvd. i have seen bits of "Finding Nemo" featuring Bu Xue-Liang's voice, though.
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This is in reference to an earlier post on this thread to winniedu77.
After a little searching about, there doesn't seem to be any dubs for Alice in Wonderland in Mandarin Chinese anywhere...even the DVD pirates don't have a version with that track. Only Cantonese Chinese dubs available. It seems (and I might be wrong) that there was never any dub made for that movie....or at least any dub that exists today.

I thought only the R1 version of Finding Nemo had the FS version on the second disc. All other regions only got the WS version...right?!?
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WKS1979 wrote:This is in reference to an earlier post on this thread to winniedu77.
After a little searching about, there doesn't seem to be any dubs for Alice in Wonderland in Mandarin Chinese anywhere...even the DVD pirates don't have a version with that track. Only Cantonese Chinese dubs available. It seems (and I might be wrong) that there was never any dub made for that movie....or at least any dub that exists today.

I thought only the R1 version of Finding Nemo had the FS version on the second disc. All other regions only got the WS version...right?!?
I think that the VHS of Alice has the mandarin track. Can someone confirm?
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ive been told there is a 2-disc TLM region 3 on sale, its further proven by the poster promoting the 2disc platinum edition and a twinpack of the first and second movie. but i've never seen it anywhere. the retailers said theyre always sold out. can someone clarify this.

wks1979 is there any way that the cars r3 might have been poorly authored as well..we're missing the easter egg short from the main menu.
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I have the Region 3 edition of Cars, and the easter egg is on it...
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where is it where where where????? tell me whereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee is the one where mater and lighting is watching the sheep short????? i forgot the title. anywayyyy

the singapore disney distributor showed a pocahontas 10th anniversary cover on their website.. can they be the only asian distributor of the special edition????????

http://www.scorpioeast.com.sg/search.as ... &Submit=Go#
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akhenaten wrote:where is it where where where????? tell me whereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee is the one where mater and lighting is watching the sheep short????? i forgot the title.
Yup, that's the one. They're watching Boundin'. Just leave the meno on for a couple of minutes, a logo will appear in the bottomright corner. Click on it and the short will play.
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Hmmm...sorry for late reply. I wasn't around, anyways I haven't bought a copy of Cars yet. I don't think its worth the RM60 for the movie (although you can get the exact same LEGAL copy online for RM35). Seems like the feature is a 'hidden' one similar to the ones in The Incredibles.

There isn't any slated re-release of Pocahontas in R3 areas. Only the Gold Collection is available which you should avoid. A check with the Singapore distributor also confirms this (even on their website, they only have the Gold Collection DVD listed...I could be wrong again though). Anniversary editions of Pocahontas are most probably from R2 or R1. Grab the R1 version is possible cos the R2 version sounds wrong....too fast.

According to the vendors there wasn't any TLM release which featured the main movie. The latest release packages both TLM and TLM2 as a set. The funny thing is you can get TLM on VCD as a movie by itself and also packaged with TLM2 together....go figure :?

P/S: Has anyone bought a copy of the R3 Toy Story 2 10th Anniversary DVD? Just want to do a comparison about the content. It seems that everything on the R1 release is on the R3 except the DTS track, which would explain why it requires a second unnecessary disc.
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