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<center>Tron (1982)

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I think we're all become familiar with the concept of a computer becoming so clever it begins to take over. Well in 1982, Disney was at the forefront of the computer game genre in releasing Tron. Not only is this the tale of a computer trying to take over, but the story is told from inside the 'computer' itself. A world where computer programs are living things, existing in a world where information is stored in a disc they carry with them at all times. The same battle is being fought in the human world as inside the alternate computer reality.

Flynn, a computer game designer (Jeff Bridges) who worked for a large company had his ideas for 5 computer games stolen, the man who stole them went on to make a fortune and become executive of a company, in which his creation of a Master Control Program (MCP) is in use. The MCP is becoming out of control as it's intelligence goes beyond that of any human and plans to run the world and take over the Pentagon.
Flynn alongside 2 companions who work at the company sneak in, with the intention of finding the evidence to prove that his games were stolen. However when Flynn tries to get access on a computer the MCP, who is aware of what is happening drags Flynn from the real world into the computer by aid of a laser which is part of an experiment to transfer objects.

Once inside the computer the story becomes the sort of good against evil epic in the vein of The Lord of the Rings where the programs and being watched over by the omnipitent MCP who has taken control. Flynn inside the computer meets Tron a program designed by Flynn's real world friend to take down the MCP, thus the program tron has the appearance of his friend and is how he recognises him. In fact the film has a Wizard of Oz feeling as real world characters appear as computer programs.

The data to take down the MCP needs to be transferred from the real world to Tron, however the control towers which allow communication and transfer of data are under the control of the MCP.

The film is very difficult to describe, but is not as confusing upon watching it.

So my thoughts,

After a decade of not doing much of an importance in the live action field, Disney had the odd hit here and some brilliant films which for one reason or another never got the appreciation they deserve, most films were in the same slapstick vein. Disney had also been a trend follower, releasing films that were in the same veins as previous blockbusters, for example after 'Star Wars' was such a smash, Disney tried to cash in making it's own Space Sci Fi 'The Black Hole'. However with Tron Disney was their first, in fact probably a little prematurely as is mentioned on the DVDs 90 minute documentary. If Tron had been released a few years later, it probably would have been a smash blockbuster.

The film is without a doubt 'weird', however it is also a work of genius. To take a concept of a computer that tries to take over, and tell it from the point of view of the programs inside the computer in an alternate world is nothing short of inspired. The Religious/War/Good v Evil messages and overtones help to build a world which is I feel very believable. I feel the film would have been strengthened if it was longer, coming in at around 90 minutes, I feel an extra 10 minutes to build on the characters and insert a bit more explanation at the start of the film.

Could Tron be called the first CGI film? Well to a certain extent Yes. The world inside the computer is entirely CGI, as are the bikes and the solar sailor. If films like Mary Poppins and Song of the South can be called Animated/Live action, then I see no reason why Tron shouldn't be either. And if it were to be considered so, it would mean that Disney would beat Pixar to the title of first CGI film by a good 13 years ;). Also when you take into account that in order to create the 'glowing' look of the costumes from the backlighting, each frame of the film needed to be 'painted' individually, just like an animated film, before being shot again. This process is explained in great detail on the DVDs 2 Disc set. Truly Tron is a unique looking film. Even today, I don't feel the film looks dated. The CGI elements do look sparse and blank in comparison to what can be done on computers these days, but not I feel to the extent where it looks primitive. Also the special effects for this movie, would hold up even today. The glowing costumes have a very bewitching look to them.

However despite all the praise I have for this film, even though it is a marvel of film making, with a truly inventive plot, a well thought out world with a lot of creativity and ingenuity, on the whole after watching it, I do not feel a sense of fulfillment. It feels like so much more could have been done with this concept. A bit like if JRR Tolkien had condensed the Lord of the Rings trilogy into a 56 page paperback. It has more to offer as a concept than I feel it delivers.

However it can't be denied that Tron is a truly innovative film, no film had been attempted like it before, and none since.

I think every Disney fan *needs* to see this film, and all fans of CGI should check it out, to see CGI in its humble beginnings, 13 years before Toy Story.

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I've never seen Tron, but it's always looked interesting to me.
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TheSequelofDisney wrote:I've never seen Tron, but it's always looked interesting to me.
Well I strongly recommend you try to find the 2 disc 20th anniversary edition: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... /ref=nosim

This was made back in the day when Disney still knew how to make Special Editions. There a 90 minute documentary made espescially for the DVD, not to mention about another 2 hours of featurettes and other materials, and galleries, you ain't seen galleries till you've seen the Tron DVD. Think Aladdin Platinum Edition, and then some!
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<b>Tron</b> is awesome! It's funny (and a bit sad) that it didn't win an Oscar for best visual effects because the Academy thought they "cheated" by using computers.
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Wahoo! I get to plug one of my few UD reviews: Tron

You can read me opinion by clicking on the link.

But in all seriousness, I do think the film was a product of its time, and as such, it doesn't really stand up well today.

It's not really anybody's fault, but just like PacMan is fun today for a brief time, it doesn't take long for people to notice that its just doesn't cut it today. The same is true of Tron. Like most trailblazing concepts, it seems dated and perhaps even "quaint" today. Since Tron we've had Virtual Reality/Computer Gaming on the TV (VR5, Harsh Realm, Star Trek's Holodeck), and of course the groundbraking The Matrix (and its not so groundbreaking sequels) on the cinema screen, not to mention the amazingly successful sub-genre of Science Fiction called Cyberpunk in literally hundreds of books.

But this is what's important to remember, and put into context. Tron did it all first. Tron was the one that broke the rules. Tron was the one that made millions of Nintendo or C=64 addicts gasp in amazement as their imaginations were given form on the big screen. Nothing before or since, not King Kong, Phantom Menace Pod Races or planet wide destruction in The Day After Tomorrow can or will ever will excite or enthuse me as much as those LightCycles ever did.

Sometimes pioneers are held-up for history to remember, sometimes they are quickly forgotten. I think Tron sits proudly in the middle. We remember what it stood for, and what it represented, but modern viewers probably need to mentally skip over some of the plot elements, which strangely date the film far more than its special effects do.

As for the DVD for anyone who is interested, it was only after I agreed to review Tron and actually started, I realised exactly what I had bitten off. It was a chore to finish, especially as I set myself a self-imposed deadline, but it was a chore in a good way, as features and content revealed more about the movie for me. I recommend it to everyone.
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just got the 2-disc set in the mail last week. will catch it soon. looks interesting.
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I personally have never seen <i>Tron</i>, so you might say I have no business posting in this thread. However, I am not likely to let a chance of linking to the Tron Guy pass me by:

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Renata - noooooo not Tron Guy. Posting hardcore porn would be less disturbing(an OFFICE quote from last night I just had to use).

Kids - don't look at this. You have no idea how disturbing an old fat guy getting dressed up in Tron in 362 photos is.

I like the movie, not love but like. I am not sure it is as dated as Netty thinks and Jeff Bridges always does a good job.
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Tron is one of my favorite live action disney movies. I love it for the fact that its a great film, it was attempting to be technologically advanced for its time, and that its one of disney's rare ventures into science fiction. I also love it because its very underrated, It tends to be one of those forgotten movies that disney tries to pretend never exsisted, but not quite to the extent that it has to "black cauldron".

It is also extremely quotable and I love that all the computer lingo is used to sound super high-tech when it isn't. I also love that the Master Control looks like the kool-aid guy, and that there is a very blatant hidden mickey sequence. I recommend everyone at least check it out once. The 2 disc dvd is a really good release and has a really in-depth documentary worth watching.
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I rented this movie last year (the DVD, fortunately) and I quite liked it. Of course, it's undeniably dated and rather cheesy, but that adds to its charm. And considering that this was the spark that eventually led John Lasseter to making Toy Story, which in turn made Pixar the hot cake it is today, I think that even if you hate the film, you could the movie appreciate just for that.

As for whether it was the first computer animated feature, I say no. Toy Story was the first computer animated feature, naturally, but even considering it a computer animation and live action combination, it's not the first. Although not very common, computers had been used to create effects before in live action feature films, such as the film Futureworld (Disney obviously looked at this title when designing Epcot ;) ), which, according to the Shrek coffee table book that I read yet never buy in Borders from time to time, has a digital effect with Peter Fonda's head at some point. I would say that it's like the Who Framed Roger Rabbit of computer graphics. Whilst we had Mary Poppins, Song of the South etc beforehand, Roger Rabbit took combining live action and 2D animation to a new level. Equally, Tron did the same to computer graphics.
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Oh man! Tron guy is soooo funny!!!!! I can't stop laughing about it... anyways, to get back on topic, I first saw Tron back when the 20th anniversary DVD came out. I bought it after reading some reviews and was surprised at how much I liked it. I had seen "The Black Hole" which made me not want to see "Tron." I never got bored watching it. I'm also a huge Simpsons and Family Guy fan and both shows have parodied the film several times. In the Simpsons episode "Treehouse of Horror VI," Homer finds an alternate universe behind a bookshelf. It was mainly parodying "The Poltergeist," but when Cheif Wiggum asks Homer what it looks like in there, he replies "Have you ever seen Tron?" to which all of the cast replies individually "no." In the Family Guy episode "One If By Clam, Two If By Sea," Peter has a flashback from when he worked in a computer. He is riding a Light Cycle. There was also a South Park epsiode called "Jewbilee" in which Moses appears as the MCP. I think it's neat that these mega popular shows reference an almost 25 year old movie the my generation otherwise wouldn't care or know about. The 2-disc set is a great treatment and I really wish Disney would take this care when releaseing more of their films. Anyways, "Tron" is entertaining and still visually stunning. I reccomend that all Disney fans see it. In my opinion, it's the best live action film that came from the Mouse House in the 80's.
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TRON and The Rocketeer are two of Disney's most underrated films, ever. I would go as far to say that they are two of the most underrated films period.

Now if we could only get The Rocketeer in a DVD set as good as TRON's...
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A 2-disc set of Rocketeer would be awesome! Especially since I don't have it on disc yet. Definitely an underrated film from a great time at Disney!

Anyways... I was lucky enough to get the 2-disc Tron for free with one of those deals you find in Disney DVDs. You know, where you send in proof of purchases and receipts and get a free movie... I too often let those slide by until they expire. Anywho, I had never really sat and watched Tron, but I finally did, and I gotta say, weird is the best description for it. I can't say I don't like it, but I can't say I like it either. I guess, what I can say is that I like weird stuff (in moderation), so I like to watch "Tron" for its weirdness. That and the earnest performances are really the only positive things I can say about it. Aside from the "it's groundbreaking" bit and, of course, it has David Warner. Gotta love the Warner. He's one of those guys like Christopher Lloyd. He'll do anything, and he adds that certain something to it. Overall, I think it's worth at least one viewing, but, definitely, opinions will differ. And, I gotta say, that computer world in the movie, that's one way I could imagine Hell to be like. It really seemed like a horrible and creepy place to be! Now, let me think,... the girl was really cute and the new comic book from SLG seems kinda interesting (it's a sequel to the movie and 2.0 videogame, though I know nothing about the 2.0 game. I'm still operating on the original Playstation).

Personally though, I'll take "The Black Hole" over "Tron" any day. There's a movie I really feel was underrated. I loved it, especially the ending.
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I've never seen Tron but I want to. I have to check my Blockbuster and see if they have it. Since Tron's world was featured in Kingdom Hearts II I have an interest in watching it.

Actually I saw the Family Guy episode last night where he was on the Light Cycle and I was happy to know where it was from =D
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rexcrk wrote:I've never seen Tron but I want to. I have to check my Blockbuster and see if they have it. Since Tron's world was featured in Kingdom Hearts II I have an interest in watching it.

Actually I saw the Family Guy episode last night where he was on the Light Cycle and I was happy to know where it was from =D
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I got the 2-Disc Tron DVD a while ago. I'm a sucker for 80's stuff, so it's a must-have for me. :D It's actually not a bad movie, but I love the look of it too. And the bonuses are EXCELLENT. :D
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I grew up with Tron, I originally saw it on video in 1983 or 1984 or so. I've always loved it, but as I a got older and paid more attention to the story, I gained an even better appreciation of the film's story and concept.

I also grew up on the games, there was a Chuck E. Cheese's in the area that had a Discs of Tron cabinet (with seat) long into the 1990s.

Needless to say, I am a big Tron fan and love the film. I don't think it seems really too dated at all, except for the "real world" scenes and their styles. I really like the minimalist look of the computer world, and I still think it holds up to this day. I also love the Wendy Carlos score.
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I truly grew up with Tron. I was a projectionist in a movie theater in Sacramento, California when "Tron" was released. Only catching bits and pieces of it for about a week, I made it a point to come to the theater on my day off and watch it from the beginning. I was hooked. Never before had I seen such great special effects. The story was pretty good, but the special effects for that time were way above and beyond what anyone was doing.

Bruce Boxleitner was great as Tron, and David Warner as the voice of Master Control was very haunting. Jeff Bridges was along for the ride.

I maintain that if this movie were released today in theaters, it would become a major hit because no one back in '82 new enough about computers to get some of the inside jokes and some of the technical quirks that were thrown about. Today's audience is more oriented toward computers and computer-speak, and would understand a whole lot more about what is going on.

I love this movie and watch it on a pretty regular basis.

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totallyminnie86 wrote:It tends to be one of those forgotten movies that disney tries to pretend never exsisted, but not quite to the extent that it has to "black cauldron".
Really? I'd tend to disagree, don't forget that out of all of Disney's live action movies only 10 of them have been graced with 2 Disc editions and Tron is one of them. Alo Tron 2.0 the 'sequel' was released as a video game a couple of years back. Whilst Tron isn't fanfared, I wouldn't exactly say that Disney tries to forget it.
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ichabod wrote:Really? I'd tend to disagree, don't forget that out of all of Disney's live action movies only 10 of them have been graced with 2 Disc editions and Tron is one of them. Alo Tron 2.0 the 'sequel' was released as a video game a couple of years back. Whilst Tron isn't fanfared, I wouldn't exactly say that Disney tries to forget it.
Don't forget that the world of Tron is featured as one of the lands in one of the Kingdom Hearts games.
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