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If I could add 6 more releases and Peter Pan is already a Platinum, then I would add:

Spring 2008: The Aristocats or The Rescuers
Fall 2008: The Hunchback Of Notre Dame

Spring 2009: The Great Mouse Detective
Fall 2009: Hercules

Spring 2010: The Sword In The Stone
Fall 2010: The Black Cauldron

If the studio wanted to release these titles closer together, that would be okay in my book! :D :D
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Wow, this thread's only been around four hours, and it already has two pages. Like Wondy, I used to care about Disney's rankings and collections. Now that they've gone all higglety pigglety with their animated classics, I don't care much anymore. If, though, in a perfect world the Platinum name actually meant something really special, here's what I'd like to see added:

Dumbo
Alice in Wonderland
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
Pocahontas
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Hercules

Dumbo and Alice deserve to be in the line because they're the only substantial Disney features from Walt's era not included (Sword in the Stone isn't regarded very highly by critics or the general public). Pooh deserves a spot due to its timelessness and the fact that Disney owes that movie thanks for their successful (and milked to death) franchise. Pocahontas, Hunchback, and Hercules deserve to be included because all three were financially successful (even if Disney found their grosses disappointing compared to the previous ones), and they're all prestigious Alan Menken musicals. I debated for a while about whether or not Tarzan or Lilo should be included, but I decided not to because even though I prefer both over Pocahontas and Hercules, they're a bit too recent to be part of the collection, in my opinion.
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stitcharielbeast wrote:The Rescuers Anthology - because it was a tremendous success that helped Disney regain money from Black Cauldron
First off, the original Rescuers came out before the Black Cauldron. The Rescuers down under came out 5 years later, after The Little Mermaid. Neither of the films helped Disney regain money from the Black Cauldron.

My five picks would be: Dumbo, Alice in Wonderland, Pocahontas, Winnie the Pooh, and The Black Cauldron.
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uuum thats a hard one. I would add

Hercules-YES
Alice in Wonderland-YES but the masterpiece edition is already out
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh-YES
Mulan-I think yeah but it wouldnt be as good as the other platinums
Tarzan-same reason as Mulan
The Hunchback of Notre Dame- Same as mulan and tarzan...good movies but not as good as the other platinums. Thats just my opinion thought
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The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
Peter Pan
Sword in the stone
The Rescuers
Alice in Wonderland

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Disneykid wrote:Pocahontas, Hunchback, and Hercules deserve to be included because all three were financially successful (even if Disney found their grosses disappointing compared to the previous ones), and they're all prestigious Alan Menken musicals. I debated for a while about whether or not Tarzan or Lilo should be included, but I decided not to because even though I prefer both over Pocahontas and Hercules, they're a bit too recent to be part of the collection, in my opinion.
I dunno, I feel that Tarzan and Lilo and Stitch were both instant classics that deserve to be in the Platinum line, I mean sure they were recent films but by the time their respective platinums could come out, it could be in 2010 and beyond which puts them in the same timeline that Beauty and the Beast and Lion King came out as Platinums.

Alice in Wonderland, Hercules and Hunchback of Notre Dame, while fine movies, all had very jarring flaws which sends them leagues below the classics that preceeded them. Now if either Hunchback or Hercules won an academy award or two, then yes they deserve to be platinums but they didn't. Pocahontas however, did get the same accolades as the big 4. that's why I think Pocahontas deserves Platinum-hood

the one other films that deserve the platinum title out of the their over-all quality and financial success would be Mulan and Dumbo. Mulan because it was a finely crafted picture with a well rounded story that audiences around the world loved, plus it was the last broadway-style musical. Dumbo because it is the only movie omitted from Walt's first 5 animated features which doesn't make sense because it is one fo Disney's most popular movies. In fact, Dumbo deserves Platinum-hood way before Peter Pan (which would be on the same level as Mulan) or Sleeping Beauty (which would be on the same level as Pocahontas).


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stitcharielbeast wrote: I dunno, I feel that Tarzan and Lilo and Stitch were both instant classics that deserve to be in the Platinum line, I mean sure they were recent films but by the time their respective platinums could come out, it could be in 2010 and beyond which puts them in the same timeline that Beauty and the Beast and Lion King came out as Platinums.

Alice in Wonderland, Hercules and Hunchback of Notre Dame, while fine movies, all had very jarring flaws which sends them leagues below the classics that preceeded them. Now if either Hunchback or Hercules won an academy award or two, then yes they deserve to be platinums but they didn't. Pocahontas however, did get the same accolades as the big 4. that's why I think Pocahontas deserves Platinum-hood

the one other films that deserve the platinum title out of the their over-all quality and financial success would be Mulan and Dumbo. Mulan because it was a finely crafted picture with a well rounded story that audiences around the world loved, plus it was the last broadway-style musical. Dumbo because it is the only movie omitted from Walt's first 5 animated features which doesn't make sense because it is one fo Disney's most popular movies. In fact, Dumbo deserves Platinum-hood way before Peter Pan (which would be on the same level as Mulan) or Sleeping Beauty (which would be on the same level as Pocahontas).


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You make good points regarding Tarzan and Lilo. As for Mulan, the way you feel about it is the same way I feel about Hunchback. I think Hunchback is more deserving because it was more daring than Mulan. It tackled themes Disney never even glanced at before, and it did it with artistic flair and drama that shames most live action films. Mulan was great, but was sort of more of the same stuff Disney audiences were familiar with (it fits the so-called "Disney formula" much easier than Hunchback).

As for Dumbo, it being one of Walt's first films isn't the reason why I think it should be in the Platinum line. What I meant was Disney critics consider the films from Snow White to Bambi Disney's first golden age, and the films from Cinderella to Sleeping Beauty to be the second golden age. To leave off one film from each (Dumbo and Alice) makes their exclusions from the Platinum line seem glaring. It's like leaving off Aladdin (which is part of Disney's third golden age) just because it's not quite as popular or critically acclaimed as Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, or Lion King.

Acadamy Awards wins shouldn't be a factor in this at all, either. If that were the case, the only fims in the collection would be Snow White, Pinocchio, Dumbo, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King. As you can see, that leaves off an alarming amount of beloved films already in the collection.

It all boils down to our opinions, of course. You think Mulan and Dumbo both deserve to be in it way before Peter Pan and Sleeping Beauty. Despite my rooting for Dumbo to be included, I think Peter Pan and Sleeping Beauty are far worthier entries. I also would put Alice in the collection before Mulan any day. Alice is far more significant and easily recognized by the general public than Mulan is.

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I wouldnt really add six... well... let me think about it...

Hunchback of Notre Dame
Hercules
Sword in the Stone
Black Cauldron
Rescuers
Oliver & Co.


well, what do you know? I would add six.. but not in that order. =p
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Disneykid wrote: You make good points regarding Tarzan and Lilo. As for Mulan, the way you feel about it is the same way I feel about Hunchback. I think Hunchback is more deserving because it was more daring than Mulan. It tackled themes Disney never even glanced at before, and it did it with artistic flair and drama that shames most live action films. Mulan was great, but was sort of more of the same stuff Disney audiences were familiar with (it fits the so-called "Disney formula" much easier than Hunchback).

As for Dumbo, it being one of Walt's first films isn't the reason why I think it should be in the Platinum line. What I meant was Disney critics consider the films from Snow White to Bambi Disney's first golden age, and the films from Cinderella to Sleeping Beauty to be the second golden age. To leave off one film from each (Dumbo and Alice) makes their exclusions from the Platinum line seem glaring. It's like leaving off Aladdin (which is part of Disney's third golden age) just because it's not quite as popular or critically acclaimed as Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, or Lion King.

Acadamy Awards wins shouldn't be a factor in this at all, either. If that were the case, the only fims in the collection would be Snow White, Pinocchio, Dumbo, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King. As you can see, that leaves off an alarming amount of beloved films already in the collection.

It all boils down to our opinions, of course. You think Mulan and Dumbo both deserve to be in it way before Peter Pan and Sleeping Beauty. Despite my rooting for Dumbo to be included, I think Peter Pan and Sleeping Beauty are far worthier entries. I also would put Alice in the collection before Mulan any day. Alice is far more significant and easily recognized by the general public than Mulan is.

And yes, I'm a Gilmore Girls fan and proud of it. :D I've been re-watching all of my DVDs in preparation for the DVD release of season six, which in turn will prep me for the season seven premiere.
well if Mulan shouldn't be considered anything significant, so shouldn't Peter Pan, in retrospect, both share the same kind of rank within their own eras. Peter Pan was enjoyable but not as spectacular as Cinderella or Lady and the Tramp, as would Mulan be compared to the big 4 musicals of the renaissance.

Dumbo is indeed a glaring omission from the Platinum line and certainly deserves the title.

Hunchback of Notre Dame in my opinion has some of the strongest music of all the Disney musicals, not to mention one of the most aesthetically spectacular. However, I felt the story was too daring for its own good. Its themes went too adult and too gloomy that it kind of strayed away from its core audience. I wish they would revisit this someday as a full-fledged Broadway Musical as I believe it would truly soar in that arena. Although, if a visually stunning yet poorly written film like Sleeping Beauty could be a Platinum, I really so no reason why Hunchback shouldn;t be...maybe 10 years from now, Hunchback would be the new Sleeping Beauty.

My main beef with Hercules is that the movie never gave you a reason to root for anyone and it was musically all over the place, it did not have the epic unity that can be found in all of the Disney musicals that preceeded it. They could have gone so far with the use of the Muses as Gospel girls and so many other things, The film had such potential but it was a pretty dissapointing execution.

as for Alice in Wonderland, Walt himself didn't like the outcome and blamed the heroine not having any heart for its failure.

I believe The Recuers deserve induction into the Platinum circle simply because it was the only post-Walt, pre-renaissance hit and that its success was what helped Disney get back on their feet after the failure that was The Black Cauldron. It's a film that never really got the respect it deserves, along with its beautifully crafted sequel, these 2 films deserve to be packaged together as a single Platinum release.

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Pocahontas
The Hunchback Of Notre Dame
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Hmm, good question. I don't really need the name "Platinum Collection" tied to them (not anymore, anyway), as long as it's a great 2 disc set. Therefore, I'm satisfied with my 2 disc sets of Alice, Tarzan, Mulan, The Emperor's New Groove, Atlantis the Lost Empire, and Pocahontas (especially since they restored that song!). I'm not sure, as I haven't had a chance to sit and watch it yet, but I think Brother Bear is 2-disc too, isn't it? Don't know how good though. I don't remember if Treasure Planet is 2 or one.

Anyways, my top six choices (because, naturally, I'd like to get thorough 2-discs of ALL this stuff....)

Make Mine Music (purely because I need this UNEDITED, so I'd expect it that way)

Melody Time (purely because I need this UNEDITED, so I'd expect it that way)

The Black Cauldron (not because it is a fave of mine, though I adore Eilonwy, but mainly because I'd love a ton more extras, including deleted scenes!)

Hunchback of Notre Dame (this was an amazing, glorious film with incredible music, etc..., definitely worthy of a major edition)

Hercules (I just find this to be a movie that definitely needs an excellent DVD treatment, partly because I love it as a fun movie with great music and humor, and partly because the previous DVD offered so little, as I remember it)

Lastly, I think any of the following would make a worthy 2 disc edition, though I mainly only included Saludos because I think I heard it is edited too, and I want an unedited version.


Saludos Amigos
The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad
The Sword In The Stone
Robin Hood
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
The Rescuers and The Rescuers Down Under
The Great Mouse Detective
Oliver and Company
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Let's just have a 2-disc edition of a title if there's enough interesting supplemental material available.

As for the Platinum-ness - I can hardly see that's very special any more with all those titles included...
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I had completely missed out on the fact that there had been added 4 more movies to the line. Yay for Sleeping Beauty and Fantasia! :D

Anyway, my list of 6:
Hercules
The Rescuers
Lilo and Stitch
The Emperor's New Groove
Pocahontas
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Dumbo
The many adventures of Winnie the Pooh
Hunchback of Notre Dame
Mulan (But there is already a great 2-Disc set)
Tarzan (same as Mulan)
Lilo and Stitch (Where the heck is that 2-Disc Edition of the last really great Disney movie!!!????)
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I agree, I love the Platinum line as it is, and even though The Hunchback of Notre Dame and The Emperor's new groove are in my 14 favourites, I don't think they are deserving of the right to be in the Platinum Line, 2-Disc Special Editions would be great though, and I'd definately pick up a copy of these if they were 2-disc'ers, platinum or not!

Pocahontas- A lot of people bash this movie, however it is a classic and has some of the greatest animaition quality, character design is a bit week though. There's already a 2-Disc Release of this, but I still think it deserves more :D
The Hunchback of Notre Dame- Incredible, I still can't see why it's only a single disc.
Hercules- This movie gets better everytime I see it!
Alice in Wonderland- HOW! can they include Cinderella, Peter Pan, LatT and Sleeping Beauty, but not Alice?!?!?!?!
(Alice in Wonderland in Australia is only a single-disc)
Dumbo- They've included SWat7D, Pinocchio, Fantasia and Bambi, but not even Dumbo can get a 2-disc release! (In Australia anyway) :( Come on, this is one of Walt's classics!
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh- Without Pooh, where would Disney be? :)

I would've included, The Emperor's New Groove, Lilo and Stitch, Tarzan and Mulan, but the 2-Disc versions are already available. :D
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I think the Platinum Line should only include movies from Snow White to the Lion King just becuase they are older and more special. and we already have those awesome Collectors Editions from alot of the titles named. Thats just my opinion though... heres my 6 even though I do agree anymore is taking away the specialness thats already withering away from the platinum's alreardy. EVEN though Little mermaid should be great. and hopefully we GET 101 dalmations and the Jungle book shouldnt we know SOMETHING about these by now?? and doesnt anyone else wonder why sleeping beauty was added to the list it already had an awesome 2 disc set. I want pinoccio too!

1. Dumbo(the big top edition almost made me not want to collect disney DVD's anymore)
2. Alice in Wonderland(LOVE this movie and the masterpiece edition was good but wheres my making of???)
3. Great Mouse detective(Becuase it started the 3rd Golden Age in my opinion)
4. The Fox and the Hound(AT LEAST A 2-DISC :( even though we arent getting it)
5. All the Music ones between Bambi and Cinderella in a box set anthology
6. The Rescuers and Rescuers Down Under

I also think Hercules and Hunchback deserve great 2-Disc sets there the only ones from the 90's that dont have a 2-disc set and it anoys me that there not in my collection. I also think that brother bear needs a slip cover does it not bother anyone else when brother bear 2 has one and not the first!!! but I guess thats a different topic. oohh yea and one more thing WHERES MY LILO AND STITCH 2 DISC!!
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stitcharielbeast wrote:....
As for Dumbo, it being one of Walt's first films isn't the reason why I think it should be in the Platinum line. What I meant was Disney critics consider the films from Snow White to Bambi Disney's first golden age, and the films from Cinderella to Sleeping Beauty to be the second golden age. To leave off one film from each (Dumbo and Alice) makes their exclusions from the Platinum line seem glaring. It's like leaving off Aladdin (which is part of Disney's third golden age) just because it's not quite as popular or critically acclaimed as Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, or Lion King.

Acadamy Awards wins shouldn't be a factor in this at all, either. If that were the case, the only fims in the collection would be Snow White, Pinocchio, Dumbo, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King. As you can see, that leaves off an alarming amount of beloved films already in the collection.
I think the argument I see here has to do with what exactly is the criteria for being a Platinum edition? is it the amount of money the film brought in in its day? Does anyone know what Disney's criteria is for putting a film into the Platinum series?

To me, it seems to be ones that were either historic or if they are recent films, they had to be blockbusters, correct?

If it were me deciding what the criteria would be, it would be the historic significance of the film. Therefore I definitely would want to see all the package films put into the platinum series and there's 5 of those (either grouped like 2 to a release or separate); and the remainder of my choices would be:

Peter Pan
Dumbo
Alice in Wonderland

I've probably gone over my allotment if the package films are not grouped so I'll end my list now!
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Well, I used the criteria of which movies needed rereleases badly (and I always think rereleases should be 2-disc sets), and which had interesting things I wanted to see, like the cut stuff from Black Cauldron. But, I also included a couple that I think deserve the treatment just because they are fantastic Disney films: Hunchback and Hercules (since it clearly was not a collection exclusive to stuff from Walt's day). Hunchback deserves Platinum Treatment at the very least.
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5. All the Music ones between Bambi and Cinderella in a box set anthology

I also think that brother bear needs a slip cover does it not bother anyone else when brother bear 2 has one and not the first!!! but I guess thats a different topic.
Whoops, had to edit this post because I meant to include the following response. I'm a bit annoyed about the slip cover situation, because sometimes I don't get them. If you wait a bit too long to buy a movie, the slip covers disappear. Also, sometimes Amazon.com sends the DVDs without the slip covers. Because of that, my Lion King 2 (or 1 1/2, I forget which) doesn't have a slip cover, nor do my Pocahontas or Mary Poppins 2-discers. It's REALLY irritating. Plus, I was going to by Napoleon Dynamite on sale a few weeks ago, but Best Buy took off the motion slip covers from them during the sale (even though they had them in the ad)! That was just plain crooked! Best Buy has been doing A LOT of crooked things lately, which really ticks me off, because I buy most of my movies there and at Target (then Wal-Mart and Circuit City, and that's mostly it). Well, I guess I buy A LOT at Wal-Mart, but usually from the 5.50 bin.

Anyways, I also wanted to say, putting Make Mine Music and Melody Time (both uncut) together in a 2-disc set would be a great idea. Same goes for Saludos Amigos and Three Caballeros. They could do that for Disney Treasures sets if need be. Same could work for Song of the South and So Dear to My Heart, and Ichabod and Mister Toad and Fun and Fancy Free.
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