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DuckTales is Messed Up a Bit

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I asked about this somewhere but can't find it now. Anyway, I asked if watching the episodes in production order caused any foul ups. Charaters being introduced for the first time after they have already been in some previous episodes. I seem to recall someone saying they hadn't noticed any problems like that.

Well I have come across one. I am in the middle of compiling a DuckTales DVD Episode Guide (the guide in DVD order) and when I get to Treasure of the Golden Suns it says, in the synopsis, first appearance of "Mrs. Beakley, Webby Vanderquack, and Launchpad McQuack".

Well they are in some episodes on volume 1 so you see them in volume 1 and then are introduced to them for the first time on volume 2.

Dang I hate that.

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Those episodes are acutally the 5 part pilot arc that was mysteriousy NOT included on the volume one set. They are now being included on the volume 2 set which will put those five episodes out of order if you watch them in DVD order. Check out the DVD review here:

http://www.ultimatedisney.com/ducktales-volume1.html

and the box art picture here:

http://www.ultimatedisney.com/coverart.html#nov

double click on the box art for volume 2 and on the bottom, the box explains that the pilot to the series is included on this volume 2 set....hope this helps.
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I am aware of that. They actually didn't forget the 5 episodes in the first volume. They are releasing the DVDs with the episodes in production order. That's the order the episodes were produced in. And, unfortunately for us, they were not produced in chronological order (how they were shown on TV which was also in story line order).

The 5 episodes were produced with numbers 37 to 41. They were produced after episodes 1 - 36, not first. That's why they are in Volume 2.

I have no idea why Disney did this. No idea in the world. Makes no sense at all.

And as I stated Webby, for example, is on Volme 1, then in Volume 2, the boys meet her for the first time. The way it was done you could literally see a character die, and then later in the series, they would magically appear again. Really messes up the whole thing.

I think I will not watch Volume 1 untill I get Volume 2 and at least watch the 5 episodes that were first chronolocally. That won't solve the problem as there are probably other examples of characters showing up before they were supposed to but it will help a bit.

James :)
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JamesDFarrow wrote:The 5 episodes were produced with numbers 37 to 41. They were produced after episodes 1 - 36, not first. That's why they are in Volume 2.

I have no idea why Disney did this. No idea in the world. Makes no sense at all.

And as I stated Webby, for example, is on Volme 1, then in Volume 2, the boys meet her for the first time. The way it was done you could literally see a character die, and then later in the series, they would magically appear again. Really messes up the whole thing.

I think I will not watch Volume 1 untill I get Volume 2 and at least watch the 5 episodes that were first chronolocally. That won't solve the problem as there are probably other examples of characters showing up before they were supposed to but it will help a bit.

James :)
I think Disney is calling it "pilot" episodes and they were really thinking "let's go back in time and see the ducks meet the other ducks and call it the never before seen pilot. They're kids, they won't notice."

I remember when Rescue Rangers aired on TV, we didn't see Chip n Dale meet Gadget until a lot of episodes later. I don't know if this is because the "pilot" wasn't produced until after the first season or if we were watching the show's reruns and the cycle started up again.
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JamesDFarrow wrote:I asked about this somewhere but can't find it now. Anyway, I asked if watching the episodes in production order caused any foul ups. Charaters being introduced for the first time after they have already been in some previous episodes.
According to Wikipedia, the five-part serial "Super DuckTales", which introduces the character of Fenton Crackshell, was produced after the episodes "The Land of Tra-La-La", "Allowance Day" and "My Mother, the Psychic", in which Fenton appears.
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The wonderful thing about DVD is...once a show is available in its entirety, you can watch it in whatever order you please. Chronological marathon? Yes. Random episode here and there? Sure. Entire run over the course of a few days, in production or airdate order? You betcha.

When it comes to production vs. airdate order, there isn't always a case of one being preferred. It's usually not a big deal on shows where continuity is a non-issue and when it <i>is</i> an issue, then it's usually clear what route should be taken.

If we weren't getting the pilot (or whatever you want to call it) ever, then I'd be upset. As it is, oh well. Anyone concerned enough by this has got to be a big enough fan to buy them all. Even if they can't afford that, then they should know about it and respond accordingly. I can kind of understand why having the pilot episodes on Volume 2 is not a real bad thing for them or us. However, the not having any bonus features whatsoever is just lazy on their behalf, especially when studies show that (watched or not) bonus features play a major part in many consumer's buying habits.
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lis wrote:
JamesDFarrow wrote:I asked about this somewhere but can't find it now. Anyway, I asked if watching the episodes in production order caused any foul ups. Charaters being introduced for the first time after they have already been in some previous episodes.
According to Wikipedia, the five-part serial "Super DuckTales", which introduces the character of Fenton Crackshell, was produced after the episodes "The Land of Tra-La-La", "Allowance Day" and "My Mother, the Psychic", in which Fenton appears.
Not the way I read it - they are all after SuperDucktales on the page.
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Luke wrote:The wonderful thing about DVD is...once a show is available in its entirety, you can watch it in whatever order you please. Chronological marathon? Yes. Random episode here and there? Sure. Entire run over the course of a few days, in production or airdate order? You betcha.

When it comes to production vs. airdate order, there isn't always a case of one being preferred. It's usually not a big deal on shows where continuity is a non-issue and when it <i>is</i> an issue, then it's usually clear what route should be taken.
Leaving the pilot for the second volume breaks the continuity and it is a reason for most of the complaints. So continuity _is_ an issue in this case.
I agree with you that with DVDs you can watch the episodes in any order you like. But changing the DVDs and going through the scene selection menus just to watch the show in the sequence that makes some sense can be a little inconvenient.
drnilescrane wrote:Not the way I read it - they are all after SuperDucktales on the page.
The list is put in airdate order. You have to look at the last column for the production numbers. :)
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The thing I don't get is, it's not like you're changing the DVDs constantly; just watch one disc first and then start over.

I just don't get the fuss; it's not like the show was run over a continuous arc. Ducktales had the Bubba episodes, as I recall, a bit later on, but it's not like characters reference things that happened in these pilot episodes so that they wouldn't make sense and it's not like if you watched the first volume and then the second that you'd be interrupting a story (like a soap opera or something).

Besides the Bubba episodes I've mentioned they could put the episodes in any order on the DVD and I'd be none the wiser (perhaps with slight differences to the title sequence or animation).
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JamesDFarrow wrote:
The 5 episodes were produced with numbers 37 to 41. They were produced after episodes 1 - 36, not first. That's why they are in Volume 2.

I have no idea why Disney did this. No idea in the world. Makes no sense at all.


Ideas, stories and strong characters don't just magic themselves up overnight and appear on screen fully formed from the get go...

When a new crew starts on a TV show, especially when 65 episodes have to be churned out in 18 months or so, it's not exactly easy to get a handle on the characterisation of each character straight away. Some cast members may have sounded like they had great potential in the original series pitch to the network, but after a few episodes, maybe they just don't work on screen or mix well with the leading characters. Other bit players may evolve out of a story development meeting on, say, episode 10 once the show is in production and steal the screen. No-one can ever know exactly what the tone of the show is going to be like before it's made, and the first few epiosdes may be a little too slow, too goofy or too serious. These problems need to be stumbled over, then addressed and improved upon to make the show better.

Rather than make the introducturary episodes first, the program makers need to be sure that they best represent the tone and the facets of the lead characters across the whole 65 episode run, so that people are glued to the screen from the start. The Golden Suns five-parter only packs the punch it does because the writers waited until they were at the top of the game and understood which elements made the show fly. If the DuckTales pilot had been made first on the production slate, you'd have probably ended up with Doofus rather than Webby being key to the action, as I don't think the crew realised her potential straight away. Doofus, on the other hand proved a lame duck very early into production, but if he appeared in a major role in episode one, they may have been stuck with him. By quietly dropping him before he ruined the show, those few weaker episodes that he starred in can then be hidden later in the run where their events don't seem so significant.

Season Two is a great example of this character u-turning. The first batch of episodes that went into production all feature Bubba Duck. I guess Bubba wasn't the wildly suceessful character on-screen that the team had was hoping for as, rather than stay in the corner they had written themselves into, they retooled the show dumping Bubba and introducing new character Fenton Crackshell. Fenton fitted much more snuggly into contemporary Duckburg than a one-note caveman character from the past. His strongly written identity and superhero twist prompted many great story ideas, and once they hit gold, Fenton stayed for the duration of the series. When the show went to air, rather that make the u-turn blatantly obvious to the viewers, both batches of shows were introduced at virtually the same time and then randomly interspersed throughout the season. It kept both sets of new characters fresh and meant that they didn't risk audiences getting bored with the Bubba episodes and miss the joys of Gizmoduck completely.

When Talespin went into production, there was no Kit Cloudkicker, Molly or Rebecca Cunningham. The shows weren't turning out as child-friendly and as fun as they could be with the limited cast directly from the Jungle Book (which may have sounded far more appealing in the original pitches to the networks than they eventually were), so before going too much further, the show was retooled and the younger cast members and mother-figure/potential love interest were added and quickly proved to give the show the kick it needed. As the producers had wisely saved making the introduction episodes until late in the production run, they could include every element that was now making the show a sucess and give Kit and the Cunninghams a back-story that made the episodes already in the can even more fascinating to watch. Those limited cast Baloo-centric episodes were then snuck into the airing order every so often later in the run so you wouldn't notice the difference.

Bonkers producers had the same problem with Miranda. She was in the first episodes made, but was felt to have limited appeal as the show had no family element. She was dropped and Lucky Piquel was developed, along with a daughter and wife, so that his episodes could have more of a human element, and Lucky's actions were driven by the motivation of providing for his family. When it came to making the intro episodes late in production, Lucky was right in the foreground, and again, set up in a way that the audience would feel sympathy for him. They had already had several shows experience of what makes Lucky tick and could introduce those strengths in character and play down any weaknesses.

In a quite unprecidented move, an episode was also made that showed Lucky and family LEAVING the show, right near the end of the production that INTRODUCED Miranda as Bonker's new partner. They could then save those percieved weaker and very different episodes until the latter end of the run once the audience was hopefully immersed in the show. I personally rather liked Miranda's epiosodes, and never particularly warmed to Lucky, so the early episodes acted as a breath of fresh air. I find it facinating that evolved in a completely different way than the broadcast order would suggest!

Hope I haven't gone on for too long, but I hope I've proved just why this situation isn't always as cut and dry as you think! Nobody was trying to ruin your future enjoyment of the show; they were just trying to make it better, and you can't complain at them for that!

Jamie B : )
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Post by Edge »

Basically in a nutshell, Disney screwed up.

That's the long and short of it.

They realized people weren't happy about the pilots missing and they did the next best thing they could, they put them on the second volume.

I doubt it has anything to do with production order and any other reason than the fact that Disney goofed. It took them longer then most to realize people wanted their shows on DVD and that the sets would actually sell and when they produced the first sets they made a few mistakes. Doesn't make sense, but it happens.

As for Chip N' Dale, only certain markets saw the pilot AFTER the show was on the air. In major markets (like NYC for example) the pilot aired before the actual show was televised in a way similar to Ducktales.

Don't know how many major markets, but they certainly did a test pilot first.
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