Treasures Series - - Too late to Collect?

[Mr. Toad]

James is right - Disney clarified their positions, only the tins were limited editions. The content was not. It can be released again, and who knows next time it may be in HD.

[Pluto Region1]

But won't it just bum you out when you finally get all the tins, paying a premium to get the early waves, and then Disney announces they are now releasing the whole series all over again, but this time in HD?

That WOULD be a big bummer IMO.

[TM2-Megatron]

But won't it just bum you out when you finally get all the tins, paying a premium to get the early waves, and then Disney announces they are now releasing the whole series all over again, but this time in HD?

That WOULD be a big bummer IMO.

Given the age of a lot of these shorts, I really doubt it's even possible to put them in actual HD... they weren't originally done with enough detail. The best they can do is make new transfers in an HD resolution, but it wouldn't look anywhere near as good as most things do in HD.

[Douglas Fir]

But won't it just bum you out when you finally get all the tins, paying a premium to get the early waves, and then Disney announces they are now releasing the whole series all over again, but this time in HD?

That WOULD be a big bummer IMO.

Given the age of a lot of these shorts, I really doubt it's even possible to put them in actual HD... they weren't originally done with enough detail. The best they can do is make new transfers in an HD resolution, but it wouldn't look anywhere near as good as most things do in HD.

Or they could put them out in the same resolution but just pack the HD-DVD with a lot of material - I don't know the figures but I'd imagine they could probably say do a complete Mickey Mouse set on one disc!

At the moment I'm happy with my DVDs though - hopefully we get at least a few more waves of Treasures to fill in the gaps before they abandon DVD forever!

[jlppr]

i've read about HD DVD's and blue-ray. but i don't understand them very much. what is the difference between those and the regular dvd's? either way i think it will be a while before regular dvd's disappear.

i also read that for a while dvd's will not only come as HD DVD or Blue-ray but they will be coming out as regular dvd's as well. so there will be two maybe three forms of dvd's

[Pluto Region1]

Given the age of a lot of these shorts, I really doubt it's even possible to put them in actual HD... they weren't originally done with enough detail. The best they can do is make new transfers in an HD resolution, but it wouldn't look anywhere near as good as most things do in HD.

Ok so that brings up a technical question (we've already steered off subject so might as well....) does that mean that old content that was made in the old days (like 1940s movies) is just going to look crappy in HD and therefore all these studios would be shooting themselves in the foot to release any old movies etc in HD (loose alot of potential revenue) because they'd just look crappy?

[Edge]

I don't think its ever too late to collect something you like, just so long as you understand it's going to cost you. I am slowly building my archives of Disney comics..... it's going to take a long time.

I never really understood why Disney released the shorts in the treasure format to be honest.

I could care less about how limited they are, I just wanted to be able to watch all the classic cartoons in one collection. The treasures were the only way to do that.

But had they issued them seperatly as regular DVD's, that'd have been fine by me.

Personally I think it's a bad move to only offer all the cartoons to a "collector" market. Casual fans who just like animation, are fans of disney or want to introduce their kids/grandkids to the cartoons are stuck with some pretty mediocre compilations. In the long run, that's not going to help disney.

As for value being cheapened by other versions, I don't see it happening. Comics are a perfect example with reprints, etc.

The originals and limited editions are there for the collectors. For the casual fans who just want to view the material, there are cheaper alternatives.

[MickeyMousePal]

Yes, you can start your collection but it will hurt your wallet since you have to find all of them on ebay or Amazon.

[James]

I am really hoping that Disney decides to re-release all of these in the next few years, after they've all been released, or after they've finished releasing all of the DVDs that they deem to be Treasures. I would love to have all of them, but seeing as I can't buy off the internet (even if I did, I'd have to receive all of my years pocket money to buy them), and they've only released two of them here in Australia. They're the same as the ones released in the UK, and I actually bought the Silly Symphonies DVD. I'm glad that I did, because I mightn't be able to get it in future years, but I hope that they decide to release the second volume of Silly Symphonies here in Australia. I will be extremely angry if they don't. I'd also like to see Disney Rarities released here, but I highly doubt it.
I hope that if they decide not to release them again, then I can buy them, when I'm old enough, off the net. I don't even care about the tins, but they'd still be a few hundred each. But I don't mind. Hopefully I'll have a really nice job so that I can easily afford the Treasures sets.
Adam- How do you buy them off DMC?
-James

[Pluto Region1]

and they've only released two of them here in Australia. They're the same as the ones released in the UK, and I actually bought the Silly Symphonies DVD. I'm glad that I did, because I mightn't be able to get it in future years, but I hope that they decide to release the second volume of Silly Symphonies here in Australia. I will be extremely angry if they don't. I'd also like to see Disney Rarities released here, but I highly doubt it.
Adam- How do you buy them off DMC?
-James

James are you saying they have not been releasing all of the Treasure Series in Australia and they've only been releasing 1 or 2 of the various series? I live in Region 1 so I don't know anything about the Australian or Worldwide releases but (Correct me if I am wrong, anyone) I understand that Region 2 releases are not "limited" and are supposedly easy to get and inexpensive. Maybe this would be an option for you?

I have actually considered buying the older Treasures that I am missing in one of the other Regions since they seem to plentiful and inexpensive compared to trying to obtain the remaining very hard-to-find and expensive older Region 1 releases I am missing. (My husband supposedly did something to the DVD player so it supposedly would play any region but we've not tested it out).

As far as I know, Disney is not selling these or any of their DVD content online anywhere.

[MK Sharp]

James are you saying they have not been releasing all of the Treasure Series in Australia and they've only been releasing 1 or 2 of the various series?

They released Mickey Mouse In Colour 1 and Silly Symphonies here in May 2004, closely followed by Mickey Mouse In Colour 2 and Chronological Donald 1 in August 2004. And that's your lot. It's only that same small selection that's been released in the UK/Region 2 as well.

I assume they were testing the market by releasing a few of the more obviously commercial titles first, and there wasn't the demand to keep going. Of course, that could be Disney's own fault for leaving it so long - by 2004 I'd long given up on seeing them released locally and had been enthusiasically importing from the States each year on release.


I see Amazon.co.uk have the UK versions for £5.97 at the moment, which is a staggeringly low price if you need to plug those pesky gaps and have the ability to play R2 PAL discs.

[Pluto Region1]

They released Mickey Mouse In Colour 1 and Silly Symphonies here in May 2004, closely followed by Mickey Mouse In Colour 2 and Chronological Donald 1 in August 2004. And that's your lot. It's only that same small selection that's been released in the UK/Region 2 as well.

MK, you are saying that Region 2 then, does NOT have the complete waves like we have here in the USA.... If so, then there would be no point in me trying to fill my collection with Region 2 releases since they don't exist. I do happen to need MM IN Color Vol. 1 and II I think, but I also need titles like Disneyland and Goofy and Davey Crocket.

Are there any other DVD regions besides Region 1 and 2? is there a Region 3 in the Orient or something? Just curious.

[Ting Ting]

I'm thinking of starting a Treasures collection as well. I already collect the movies, but the Treasures never interested me until now.

If I do, I think I'll just start with the wave that's currently availible and slowly buy from past waves when I have some extra dough.

[James]

I live in Region 1 so I don't know anything about the Australian or Worldwide releases but (Correct me if I am wrong, anyone) I understand that Region 2 releases are not "limited" and are supposedly easy to get and inexpensive. Maybe this would be an option for you?

Yeah, you'd think so, but none of the stores within a viable radius sell any of them. I guess that no one wanted the Treasures, so Disney thought it would be easier to just not sell them. I've looked at some stores close to me, but they just don't sell them anymore. They released them in 2004, and it was hard to find them then. The copy of Silly Symphonies that I found was hidden on the back of MYER. I was so happy that I found it, I bought it the next day, when I had got some money to pay for it.
Yeah, thanks very much for the suggestion, but unfortunately I can't use it. But thanks!
-James

[Lars Vermundsberget]

Are there any other DVD regions besides Region 1 and 2? is there a Region 3 in the Orient or something? Just curious.

There are six of them, covering the whole world.

[MK Sharp]

MK, you are saying that Region 2 then, does NOT have the complete waves like we have here in the USA....

Correct. The complete waves are limited to North America only. We here in The Rest Of The World have only had those four titles.

If so, then there would be no point in me trying to fill my collection with Region 2 releases since they don't exist. I do happen to need MM IN Color Vol. 1 and II I think, but I also need titles like Disneyland and Goofy and Davey Crocket.

Indeed. But if you can play PAL R2 discs, you might as well go for the UK version of MMICv1, rather than paying silly money for a US version. Save your silly money for Goofy instead...

Are there any other DVD regions besides Region 1 and 2? is there a Region 3 in the Orient or something? Just curious.

Wikipedia on DVD Regions

[Pluto Region1]

Correct. The complete waves are limited to North America only. We here in The Rest Of The World have only had those four titles.

So what are you guys over there in Europe, England, Australia etc doing? Are you buying the American R1 versions on Amazon or something (those of you who are collecting) and playing on a Region-free DVD player? My husband seems to think that might not work because the TVs are different or something he says the image on your screen might be cropped funny depending on how the player does the conversion. Based on what he says, I'm not going to buy the Region 2 releases as it might not play good here.

[Lars Vermundsberget]

So what are you guys over there in Europe, England, Australia etc doing? Are you buying the American R1 versions on Amazon or something (those of you who are collecting) and playing on a Region-free DVD player?

"We" definitely do - "we" use the whole world as our playground!

[2099net]

Correct. The complete waves are limited to North America only. We here in The Rest Of The World have only had those four titles.

So what are you guys over there in Europe, England, Australia etc doing? Are you buying the American R1 versions on Amazon or something (those of you who are collecting) and playing on a Region-free DVD player? My husband seems to think that might not work because the TVs are different or something he says the image on your screen might be cropped funny depending on how the player does the conversion. Based on what he says, I'm not going to buy the Region 2 releases as it might not play good here.

Most PAL tv's manufactured in the past 15 years or so are multi-standard, so play NTSC perfectly fine.

However, the situation isn't the same for US NTSC tvs - you need a multi-region player which converts the PAL signal to NTSC internally. Because it's effectively doing realtime format conversion, minor artifacts and imperfections are common (but it must be said, most people wouldn't notice these).

Basically, every region apart from R1 seems to be open to multi-region players, and places like Amazon.co.uk sell multi-region players openly. Do a quick search yourself. The whole region encoding method has been a huge flop.

Yet oddly, the US seems to stick to it. So much for the fabled American Consumer Choice and putting the consumer first.

Meanwhile the rest of the world can pick and choose whichever DVD it chooses, and it does. We may not get all titles released, but we can still buy them from elsewhere. (Personally, I'm annoyed Space Ghost Vol 4 is going to be a US Website exclusive, because it means I can't order it Do they not want my money?)

[Daisy Duck]

Has anyone else noticed that Amazon.com has some of the earlier released Treasures in stock again? Such as "On the Front Lines", "Disney Rarities", "Tomorrowland" and "Behind the Scenes...". I could have sworn they were previously out of stock on Amazon.com and I assumed they wouldn't be restocked as they are limited editions. I just found that unexpected, yet I took the opportunity to order the "On the Front Lines" Treasure.