I am very VERY UPSET myself.
I have been waiting for this wave 3 for over a year. And the double cd of the wartime cartoons, over 2 years, when it was only a rumour.
Disney Marketing strategies have changed over time. And in the last few years, they truly suck. They are so faraway from the average consumer's interest: the demand is huge and they wanted to give us a very limited release. Of course, ebay people are the ones taht get profit from it.
I don't know. I am frustrated and disapointed.
Of course I will wait. Of course I will buy. Of course, in the other hand, my interest on Disney is getting rusted, due to the lack of respect to their customers and ultimately, fans.
Treasures Wave 3 moved back?!
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So how's this for an idea: Disney (a mega-conglomerate) talks to eBay (the largest online goods transaction site) and asks them to pull auctions for Wave 3 DVDs. They already have a solid relationship with the Disney auctions. Disney releases their already announced print run of limited-edition "collectable" tins and a note to retailers announcing a second run in May. They plan better for Wave 4. What's so hard about this?
I know, there have been several posts stating how "unfair" that is and how some may get the sets and some may not. But as I recall, this was also the case with Waves 1 and 2. And my local retailers had the tins months and sometimes YEARS after the initial release. I picked up Davy Crockett over 18 months after its release and ON SALE!
So what's going on here? I cannot believe that the discs haven't been pressed this close to the release date regardless of how popular POTC and Nemo have been. This is complete lunacy. I will say it again: who bloody cares about limited edition, numbered anything?!? Release the discs now and back it up with another print run in the spring. Retailers will have SOMETHING to sell for Christmas even if it's not the complete order they wanted. At the very least, some holiday sales will be saved which makes people happy...more happy than NOTHING. Bah.
Here's another idea: ditch the stupid limited-edition crap that's only there for the marketing people and release it as an unlimited edition Treasures set. Ah, I'm grasping at straws here...
I know, there have been several posts stating how "unfair" that is and how some may get the sets and some may not. But as I recall, this was also the case with Waves 1 and 2. And my local retailers had the tins months and sometimes YEARS after the initial release. I picked up Davy Crockett over 18 months after its release and ON SALE!
So what's going on here? I cannot believe that the discs haven't been pressed this close to the release date regardless of how popular POTC and Nemo have been. This is complete lunacy. I will say it again: who bloody cares about limited edition, numbered anything?!? Release the discs now and back it up with another print run in the spring. Retailers will have SOMETHING to sell for Christmas even if it's not the complete order they wanted. At the very least, some holiday sales will be saved which makes people happy...more happy than NOTHING. Bah.
Here's another idea: ditch the stupid limited-edition crap that's only there for the marketing people and release it as an unlimited edition Treasures set. Ah, I'm grasping at straws here...
If Disney did this because of EBay auctions, then that is lunacy. Retailers and AUCTIONS are historical mainstays in America. The only difference now is the availability of use (e.g., from home at the touch of a button). So what if persons buy the Tins to sell at auction at an otherwise inflated dollar amount, which by the way, is not a price, but true market conditions at the time it is sold. (Isn't that one of the basic American values?).
Disney maybe attempting to capture the profits from all markets, including auctions; it may not like the fact that others are making a sizeable profit on their product. The FACT is that auctions have sold collectables, a classic example being paintings, for sizeable profits for hundreds of years - Disney should get use to it.
Disney maybe attempting to capture the profits from all markets, including auctions; it may not like the fact that others are making a sizeable profit on their product. The FACT is that auctions have sold collectables, a classic example being paintings, for sizeable profits for hundreds of years - Disney should get use to it.
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Well. if this is indeed being confirmed as a sell-in issue (pre-orders exceeding initial print runs) then I really do back anyone that says "Shame on you, Disney/BVHE". As Netty has pointed out a few times, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what they are sitting on with this line. I could have been hired in at about $50,000/year less then what they are most likely paying their Product Research/Marketing guy and these Tins would still be on track for a 12/02/03 release date.
Three weeks out and all of a sudden they realize the error of their ways?
It just doesn't make sense to me....
Somebody in the know...what is Disney's Fiscal Year-end? Is it 12/31 or 6/31?
Three weeks out and all of a sudden they realize the error of their ways?
It just doesn't make sense to me....
Somebody in the know...what is Disney's Fiscal Year-end? Is it 12/31 or 6/31?
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The FACT is that auctions have sold collectables, a classic example being paintings, for sizeable profits for hundreds of years - Disney should get use to it.
That's fine if we're talking about a one-of collectable or something that was produced several years ago and is no longer generally available. It's another thing entirely for scalpers to buy up a gross of something that is just made available, then inflate the price on eBay immediately afterward. It may be capitalism at it's most basic but it's not very responsible, ethical, or polite. And that, more than anything including capitalism, is what this country is about.
That's fine if we're talking about a one-of collectable or something that was produced several years ago and is no longer generally available. It's another thing entirely for scalpers to buy up a gross of something that is just made available, then inflate the price on eBay immediately afterward. It may be capitalism at it's most basic but it's not very responsible, ethical, or polite. And that, more than anything including capitalism, is what this country is about.
i wonder if the delay is going to affect the release of the Lilo & Stitch and Pochontas Special Editions. I can't see Disney releasing 2 special editions AND 4 treasures all in the month of May.
since mary poppins SE has to come out in August (30th anniversary) and aladdin platinum will dominate October, i'm hoping they release the Pocahontas & Lilo & Stitch SE's in March.
since mary poppins SE has to come out in August (30th anniversary) and aladdin platinum will dominate October, i'm hoping they release the Pocahontas & Lilo & Stitch SE's in March.
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There really is a simple soution for Disney.
Get Rid of OOP. Release a regular edition disk that stays in print once released.
Release a Collectors edition of 150k (or whatever units) to keep the collectors happy.
That way eveyone's happy. Its not rocket science. OOP is a stupid relic from the past and needs to be shelved.
Look at the Lord of the Rings DVD's as an example. One normal Edition...One fancy edition....One super fancy edition. And guess what....they don't go OOP and they still sell milions
Disney hack executive:
"OH MY GOD...what a revelation...how we release DVD's is totally stupid, confusing, retarded, and confuses the consumer....maybe we should simplify this process?"
What an annoying company
I personally think the Treasure tins can rot. It will be a cold day in hell before I spend money on even one. Which is sad because I know I would enjoy them. Unfortunately the whole situation has completely turned me off...pitiful...
Get Rid of OOP. Release a regular edition disk that stays in print once released.
Release a Collectors edition of 150k (or whatever units) to keep the collectors happy.
That way eveyone's happy. Its not rocket science. OOP is a stupid relic from the past and needs to be shelved.
Look at the Lord of the Rings DVD's as an example. One normal Edition...One fancy edition....One super fancy edition. And guess what....they don't go OOP and they still sell milions
Disney hack executive:
"OH MY GOD...what a revelation...how we release DVD's is totally stupid, confusing, retarded, and confuses the consumer....maybe we should simplify this process?"
What an annoying company
I personally think the Treasure tins can rot. It will be a cold day in hell before I spend money on even one. Which is sad because I know I would enjoy them. Unfortunately the whole situation has completely turned me off...pitiful...
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See, I'm thinking there's more to this than we know...which is why I asked about the whole fiscal year-end thing. It's possible that things may be shaping up so that these two SEs slip even further. Disney is then in the position of losing revenue at a possible fiscal year-end time (note, I still don't know if 6/31 is indeed their FYE).Lady wrote:i wonder if the delay is going to affect the release of the Lilo & Stitch and Pochontas Special Editions. I can't see Disney releasing 2 special editions AND 4 treasures all in the month of May.
So ... they can push the Tins back, bump up the print runs substantially to cover the loss of anticipated revenue from the two SEs and cover their proverbial asses in the May '04 release of all 4 Treasures. Conspiracy theorists unite!
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It's another thing entirely for scalpers to buy up a gross of something that is just made available, then inflate the price on eBay immediately afterward.
How in the world can auctions inflate the price when all too often the initial aucton starting bid is less than half of the cost of the item? Who inflates it??
People generally get excited at auctions, and that is why prices soar at auctions. Why does'nt Disney go straight to the auction block for new DVDs, like they do for movie props that regularly show up on EBay? The fact of the matter is that Disney does not desire to go that route when it has equal opportunity to do so.
Do you remember what happened to the cabbage patch dolls? Answer - the exact same thing.
This kind of thing happens to almost all of todays collectables. What makes it collectable in the first place all too often? The companies that produce a limited number of them.
Yes, let capitalism proceed.
How in the world can auctions inflate the price when all too often the initial aucton starting bid is less than half of the cost of the item? Who inflates it??
People generally get excited at auctions, and that is why prices soar at auctions. Why does'nt Disney go straight to the auction block for new DVDs, like they do for movie props that regularly show up on EBay? The fact of the matter is that Disney does not desire to go that route when it has equal opportunity to do so.
Do you remember what happened to the cabbage patch dolls? Answer - the exact same thing.
This kind of thing happens to almost all of todays collectables. What makes it collectable in the first place all too often? The companies that produce a limited number of them.
Yes, let capitalism proceed.
Chet Dakota wrote:I just pre-ordered the four Wave 3 Treasures on Amazon, and although the release date for each is still listed as December 2, 2003, the Estimated Ship Date in listed as May 10, 2004.
This looks to be true.
I'm wondering now if this "delay" is for a second print of the DVD's and Tins. I ordered mine the day they went on sale on Amazon which was early August, and as of right now, my order is still saying December 5th as the ship date, and Amazon is usually pretty quick in updating changes in orders.
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How in the world can auctions inflate the price when all too often the initial aucton starting bid is less than half of the cost of the item? Who inflates it??
This kind of thing happens to almost all of todays collectables. What makes it collectable in the first place all too often? The companies that produce a limited number of them.
You're absolutely right. People are sheep and they bid extremely stupid amounts of money for something that should be made readily available. By doing away with the "collectable" nature of the DVDs, the problem is solved. Release what is printed now along with more in the future when the factories aren't churning out POTC and Nemo.
We're in agreement here. Disney doesn't care about auctions. They care about profits. Unfortunately, it used to be about the art.
This kind of thing happens to almost all of todays collectables. What makes it collectable in the first place all too often? The companies that produce a limited number of them.
You're absolutely right. People are sheep and they bid extremely stupid amounts of money for something that should be made readily available. By doing away with the "collectable" nature of the DVDs, the problem is solved. Release what is printed now along with more in the future when the factories aren't churning out POTC and Nemo.
We're in agreement here. Disney doesn't care about auctions. They care about profits. Unfortunately, it used to be about the art.
You may have a good point here. Disney has gone back on it's word a number of times when it issued "Limited Issue" DVDs such as Peter Pan only to print a second version "Special Edition." However, those DVDs did not have a number specified for the amount of print. The tins have a stamped number. Given the past history of Disney, and the fact that sales went off the scale beyond the availability of the tins, I would not put it past Disney to somehow get around this issue (again) and have two offerings of the same tins within six months of each other.rnrlesnar wrote:Chet Dakota wrote:I just pre-ordered the four Wave 3 Treasures on Amazon, and although the release date for each is still listed as December 2, 2003, the Estimated Ship Date in listed as May 10, 2004.
This looks to be true.
I'm wondering now if this "delay" is for a second print of the DVD's and Tins. I ordered mine the day they went on sale on Amazon which was early August, and as of right now, my order is still saying December 5th as the ship date, and Amazon is usually pretty quick in updating changes in orders.
Limited issue, Special Edition, Platinum Edition, etc, partly means that the DVD has unique features (documentary, how it's made, interviews, add-ons) not available anywhere else. All Disney needs to do is change the features, and they have a completey different DVD with the same exact cartoons and possibly change the "Chronological Donald" name to the "Complete Donald" name ... and whala, two printings ... December 2003 and May 2004!
I will believe the May 2004 delay in the Wave 3 Treasures when Amazon changes my shipping date on my order. I ordered these the first day I noticed them available for pre-order on Amazon - 8 August. So far, no changes to my order yet.
Amazon has always immediately changed delivery dates on other orders that were delayed for various reasons.
I do understand that it may be taking Amazon a while to change delivery dates on all the Treasures orders - they may be changing the delivery dates of the most recent order dates, first...or there may be no plan for when various customers are notified of the delay.
A previous post by someone mentioned the problems Disney would cause by only sending 50% of the distribution orders. I believe Disney is willing to do this, because they did it to me last December. I ordered the Wave 2 sets thru my local Suncoast Video store and they never arrived. According to the manager, Suncoast received only a small percentage of the sets that they had ordered. Luckily, I didn't trust my pre-order thru Suncoast (since Suncoast did not carry the Wave 1 sets) and bought the set the same day it was released at my local Wal-Mart.
So, based on that, I feel it is possible that Disney "MIGHT" go ahead and ship out what they have to ship and do a later "second printing" in May 2004. Assuming that the packaging and discs and tins are completed, why can't Disney send out the 125,000 (or whatever) for December and number the new tins in May starting with 125,001?
Of course, this is just theorizing and it is very likely nothing will be released until May 2004.
Amazon has always immediately changed delivery dates on other orders that were delayed for various reasons.
I do understand that it may be taking Amazon a while to change delivery dates on all the Treasures orders - they may be changing the delivery dates of the most recent order dates, first...or there may be no plan for when various customers are notified of the delay.
A previous post by someone mentioned the problems Disney would cause by only sending 50% of the distribution orders. I believe Disney is willing to do this, because they did it to me last December. I ordered the Wave 2 sets thru my local Suncoast Video store and they never arrived. According to the manager, Suncoast received only a small percentage of the sets that they had ordered. Luckily, I didn't trust my pre-order thru Suncoast (since Suncoast did not carry the Wave 1 sets) and bought the set the same day it was released at my local Wal-Mart.
So, based on that, I feel it is possible that Disney "MIGHT" go ahead and ship out what they have to ship and do a later "second printing" in May 2004. Assuming that the packaging and discs and tins are completed, why can't Disney send out the 125,000 (or whatever) for December and number the new tins in May starting with 125,001?
Of course, this is just theorizing and it is very likely nothing will be released until May 2004.
Still shows December 2nd
http://disney.go.com/DisneyVideos/disne ... index.html
Now states Late Spring 2004.
http://disney.store.go.com/DSSectionPag ... _Id=145589
When I called 1-800-72-DISNEY they confirmed May 2004.
According to her, and DisneyStore.com the set is now limited to 250,000 (Donald Duck) Didn't check the others.
http://disney.go.com/DisneyVideos/disne ... index.html
Now states Late Spring 2004.
http://disney.store.go.com/DSSectionPag ... _Id=145589
When I called 1-800-72-DISNEY they confirmed May 2004.
According to her, and DisneyStore.com the set is now limited to 250,000 (Donald Duck) Didn't check the others.
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i'm wondering how this impacts wave 4 or if it doesnt and they just know to produce more next time.
i dont see why these sets have to be limited editions anyway, i think it's not right that people wait all this time for stuff only to have it released in limited quantities.
i mean dvd offers a format so much beyond VHS. they never could have done this ten years ago. the ability to put 36 cartoons at high quality on two discs would have been a pipe dream for disney fans a decade ago. so what happens now? we gotta fight it out just to see our favorite characters and shows.
if i wanted that mentality i would collect mcfarlane's and comic books. i simply wanna watch some amazing work. whether they make 5 or 5 million doesnt matter to me. i buy it to watch, not to collect.
i dont see why these sets have to be limited editions anyway, i think it's not right that people wait all this time for stuff only to have it released in limited quantities.
i mean dvd offers a format so much beyond VHS. they never could have done this ten years ago. the ability to put 36 cartoons at high quality on two discs would have been a pipe dream for disney fans a decade ago. so what happens now? we gotta fight it out just to see our favorite characters and shows.
if i wanted that mentality i would collect mcfarlane's and comic books. i simply wanna watch some amazing work. whether they make 5 or 5 million doesnt matter to me. i buy it to watch, not to collect.
I think the May release of the 2 Special Editions and apparently the new date for the Tins is simply because May is when DVD sales pick up after Christmas.indianajdp wrote:See, I'm thinking there's more to this than we know...which is why I asked about the whole fiscal year-end thing. It's possible that things may be shaping up so that these two SEs slip even further. Disney is then in the position of losing revenue at a possible fiscal year-end time (note, I still don't know if 6/31 is indeed their FYE).Lady wrote:i wonder if the delay is going to affect the release of the Lilo & Stitch and Pochontas Special Editions. I can't see Disney releasing 2 special editions AND 4 treasures all in the month of May.
I read an interview with somebody somewhere, I think it was the UK Head of Marketing at Columbia Tri-Star home video, who was explaining about getting all the big releases out for Christmas. Sometimes they reduce the theatrical to sell through window to do this. If they miss, they often extend the window to late April-May times as this is when sales pick up again.
Sales are still slightly above average for January, but a way down for February and March then start to move up for April and go higher in May.
I don't know why - you would imagine January would be lots of Christmas money being spent and February-March would be full of people buying discs for their new DVD players.
Most of my Blu-ray collection some of my UK discs aren't on their database
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Nah i remember working retail and it really does drop off considerably.
Oct-Nov-Dec everyone is shopping for gifts.
January everyone is spending their christmas cash and exchanging gifts.
Feburay-March people realize they spent too much and the credit card bills come.
April-May, people get their tax returns and spend it.Also because it isnt holiday season {And thus a little slower in an office} most people get raises or performance bonuses around this time.
Oct-Nov-Dec everyone is shopping for gifts.
January everyone is spending their christmas cash and exchanging gifts.
Feburay-March people realize they spent too much and the credit card bills come.
April-May, people get their tax returns and spend it.Also because it isnt holiday season {And thus a little slower in an office} most people get raises or performance bonuses around this time.