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Look what i found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFdAnqhK ... atatouille :D

Anyway, its weird but this time around the teaser trailer seemed different from all the others, im not sure what it is, the animation? no "from the producers of Finding Nemo" or maybe its just that we havent seen the english version? :roll:
I do like the look of it though, and who cares if its another buddy movie? It works, people love it and they always turn out to be superb movies. I cant wait to see it when going to see Cars this July, i know this isnt the right place to ask but while im on the subject of the trailers before Cars are we getting a short this time around? One Man Band? Fill me in..... :?
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Thanks, so much, Andy! It looks interesting, from what I could understand. I can't wait to see an English version of this trailer!
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Is it just me, or does it look more like Dreamworks or Blue Sky rather than Pixar? :?
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Logoliker2004 wrote:Is it just me, or does it look more like Dreamworks or Blue Sky rather than Pixar? :?
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TheSequelofDisney wrote:
Logoliker2004 wrote:Is it just me, or does it look more like Dreamworks or Blue Sky rather than Pixar? :?
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Well, to be fair to Logoliker2004, I can see where he's coming from.

2099net does have a point it looks somewhat similar to "Tom and Jerry", (I still say it looks like a typical Pixar buddy comedy though) which sounds what Dreamworks would aim for more than Disney.

Plus with the rumored voice-cast, I can understand where he's coming from.
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No signature needed - Kyoto Animation put out some beautiful animation
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Thanks for posting those links, Hogi Bear! I like what I see!
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Prince Eric wrote:
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If Pixar are so well-loved and admired by the public, surely all this pre-pre-pre release hype isn't needed.
So all studios should just do away with their marketing divisions and let the craft do the talking? In an ideal world, that would make sense, but that's not the case now, is it? Advertising builds buzz, buzz builds excitement, and as far as I see, practically every household in America that has a toddler in their pack is in some way interested in Cars. Hype is different from buzz, and you are confusing the two. Hype is usually false excitement built up by studios industry talking heads for projects that often fail. Usually, hype is only recognizeable AFTER the fact. What Pixar is doing is generating buzz, and as I've said it's working.
Were clearly talking about two different things here Prince Eric. Being as this is a Ratatouille trailer thread, I'm primarily focusing on the fact that Ratatouille is being promoted over a year before its release.

So I never said films shouldn't be marketed. That would be silly. But marketing anything over a year from release is doing more then building "buzz". There's a difference between building "buzz" and brainwashing. I ask again, do we really need a trailer for a film 13 months away from release? I've just seen the trailer in English, and it still tells us next to nothing about the actual film, so all in all why is it there?

To get the name out? Well, I guarentee anyone who has an interest in Pixar and/or Disney will know about it already, and anyone who doesn't is likely to forget they even saw the trailer in a few months. Their attention's going to be hijacked by Pirates of the Caribbean 2, Superman Returns, Open Season, Santa Clause 3, Happy Feet... especially if the two CGI movies are popular and entertaining.

I'm pretty sure The Lion, the Witch and The Wardrobe wasn't being trailed 13 months before it's release, but it still managed to take more money than the last Harry Potter film, which had the benefit of building buzz through Potter newsworthy items and press releases throughout the year - from the release of the sixth book, to various revelations about the filming, release and publicity for the film itself.

So does early publicity generate "buzz", or as in my case (and I suspect others) generate apathy?
OK, so Cars just doesn't interest you. I understand that a teaser trailer may not generate any interest to an individual. That was the case with me with Over the Hedge, but it turned out pretty good. Just because you're not satisfied with a teaser doesn't mean that's indicative of the movie's quality. As I see it, that's what you're arguement amounts to, and I don't understand it at all. That's not an overreation. That's an honest REACTION to a confusing point in the first place.
I have no problems with the Cars trailers, but they just don't do a good job of selling ME the movie, but I'm only one person out of the several hundred million they're targeting, so fair play to them. The world doesn't revolve around me, but I reserve the right to make my choice about the suitability of a movie based on it's trailers (after all isn't they what they're made for?) I know trailers can lie, and most often do (Lucas is still the best trailer editor in the business - which is why it's even more baffling when his latest films fail to match the inspiration and skill found in their trailers).

But at the same time I do note that Cars is enjoying a record breaking promotional push from Disney - which to my mind IS hype - because Disney clearly aren't content to let Cars have the same release pattern of Pixar's other films. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but after the huge promotional campaigns for other films which failed to match the promotional onslaught; such as Sony's Godzilla, Pearl Harbor, Batman Begins, The Phantom Menace (which let's not forget had Lucasfilm's name behind it, a name just as strong as Pixar's is today); I immediately begin to ask myself "Why the excessive push? What's wrong with it?"

Not that the films I mentioned were all bad - they all had something to enjoy, but the viewer was fated to be disappointed on seeing the films after being told repeatedly, either directly or implicitly, how good the films were.
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Thanks Hogi Bear! I can't wait for more! Hey, can anyone identify who the voices are?
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2099net wrote:
Prince Eric wrote: So all studios should just do away with their marketing divisions and let the craft do the talking? In an ideal world, that would make sense, but that's not the case now, is it? Advertising builds buzz, buzz builds excitement, and as far as I see, practically every household in America that has a toddler in their pack is in some way interested in Cars. Hype is different from buzz, and you are confusing the two. Hype is usually false excitement built up by studios industry talking heads for projects that often fail. Usually, hype is only recognizeable AFTER the fact. What Pixar is doing is generating buzz, and as I've said it's working.
Were clearly talking about two different things here Prince Eric. Being as this is a Ratatouille trailer thread, I'm primarily focusing on the fact that Ratatouille is being promoted over a year before its release.

So I never said films shouldn't be marketed. That would be silly. But marketing anything over a year from release is doing more then building "buzz". There's a difference between building "buzz" and brainwashing. I ask again, do we really need a trailer for a film 13 months away from release? I've just seen the trailer in English, and it still tells us next to nothing about the actual film, so all in all why is it there?

To get the name out? Well, I guarentee anyone who has an interest in Pixar and/or Disney will know about it already, and anyone who doesn't is likely to forget they even saw the trailer in a few months. Their attention's going to be hijacked by Pirates of the Caribbean 2, Superman Returns, Open Season, Santa Clause 3, Happy Feet... especially if the two CGI movies are popular and entertaining.
OK, and you know what other people are registering in their minds when they see the Ratatouille how exactly? Like you pointed out, all of this is just speculation on your interpretation of the teaser.

Oh, and just another thing, the purpose of a teaser IS to "get the word out." It's not supposed to tell the audience anything about the movie. Then it wouldn't be a teaser - that's marketing 101 and I'm not getting into that here. :roll:
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Thanks for the link Hogi Bear. I admit, this is the first Pixar teaser that has actually got me pumped for the release. Oh, and from the looks of it, I think buddy comedy is out of the picture here. There ya have it all you naysayers! :P
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2099net wrote:To get the name out? Well, I guarentee anyone who has an interest in Pixar and/or Disney will know about it already, and anyone who doesn't is likely to forget they even saw the trailer in a few months. Their attention's going to be hijacked by Pirates of the Caribbean 2, Superman Returns, Open Season, Santa Clause 3, Happy Feet... especially if the two CGI movies are popular and entertaining.
If they have an interest in Pixar and/or Disney and a drive to look up things on the Internet, then they probably know about it. But I'm willing to bet there is an enormous number of families and children who love what Pixar does and don't know a thing about <i>Ratatouille</i> until now. Plus, keep in mind that this is the first time that Pixar has said anything officially about the movie (save for the mention at the Disney investors conference call - which I'm sure has a listenership far below Pixar's fanbase). It's to get the name out there and show what the studio is currently working on. It's a tradition and why NOT preview an upcoming movie from the makers of the one you're about to see. Branding is important and with the influx of CGI movies out there, it's especially important for Pixar to convey to audiences that their movies have consistently offered something that other CGI studios' have not and, for instance, that they are not responsible for <i>Shark Tale</i>, <i>Valiant</i>, <i>Chicken Little</i>, <i>Madagascar</i>, <i>The Wild</i>, etc. We take for granted that people know these things, but not everyone pays attention to studio names/track records. You can also think of it as a reward for people paying to see the Pixar movie on the big screen to be treated at a sneak peek of what's to come, just like <i>Incredibles</i> was preview during <i>Finding Nemo</i>, <i>Cars</i> during <i>Incredibles</i>, etc.
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Luke wrote: If they have an interest in Pixar and/or Disney and a drive to look up things on the Internet, then they probably know about it. But I'm willing to bet there is a gigantic number of families and children who love what Pixar does and don't know a thing about <i>Ratatouille</i> until now. Plus, keep in mind that this is the first time that Pixar has said anything officially about the movie (save for the mention at the Disney investors conference call - which I'm sure has a listenership far below Pixar's fanbase). It's to get the name out there and show what the studio is currently working on. It's a tradition and why NOT preview an upcoming movie from the makers of the one you're about to see. Branding is important and with the influx of CGI movies out there, it's especially important for Pixar to convey to audiences that their movies have consistently offered something that other CGI studios' have not and, for instance, that they are not responsible for <i>Shark Tale</i>, <i>Valiant</i>, <i>Chicken Little</i>, <i>Madagascar</i>, <i>The Wild</i>, etc. We take for granted that people know these things, but not everyone pays attention to studio names/track records.
Very well said, Luke!

I agree, die-hard fans will likely know about what Pixar has up their sleeves, but, the general population, likely, doesn't. Teaser trailers are nothing new, and I believe Pixar has always put a teaser trailer for their next film, in front of their current film, no matter how far out the release date of the next film is.
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Prince Eric wrote:OK, and you know what other people are registering in their minds when they see the Ratatouille how exactly? Like you pointed out, all of this is just speculation on your interpretation of the teaser.
I know, because most people are ignorant. I don't mean that in a cruel or nasty way, but they just don't care enough. While there are a percentage of people who do like to follow the film industry, the vast majority don't. Just like some people have a keen interest in a sport and take the time to study its schedule and stats, people with a passing interest in the sport don't. They just concern themselves with the bigger picture, they just care about the upcoming week's or month's schedule and plan their activities around that if there is a particular game they want to see, either by attending the game or watching it on TV. Some people even just come in, switch the TV on and are content to see whatever game is playing in its regular weekly slot.

Movies are the same, what entices the average viewer with a brief one minute teaser is quickly forgotten or pushed aside. Trust me. Only a few will have noted Ratatouille's release date, and even less will remember it. In a month's time you'll be lucky if a quarter remember it was coming out in 2007.
Oh, and just another thing, the purpose of a teaser IS to "get the word out." It's not supposed to tell the audience anything about the movie. Then it wouldn't be a teaser - that's marketing 101 and I'm not getting into that here. :roll:
But is it a good idea to get the word out 13 months before you can actually "purchase" something? If I was going to make a new candy bar, would you say it would be a good idea to show teasers on TV 13 months before I knew the candy bar would be in stores?

Major consumer goods, costing thousands of dollars have been launched without 13 months of mainstream pre-publicity. New cars have. Granted, they do get considerable trade publicity before their launch, but the public sees none of this (unless they have a particular interest in cars and actively seek information – just like people who have an active interest in movies can seek information in Variety or on IMDB.Com). It’s the same for the next DVD format… a lot more money is likely to be lost by either Time-Warner or Sony if one of their formats is dramatically eclipsed by the other, but even though both HD-DVD and Blu Ray are in the process of being launched* the mainstream pre-publicity for those has been, once again, limited to a couple of months or so pre-launch.

You know, a two or three months ago I was in a shop and a woman was having an argument with the sales assistant behind the counter. She was adamant Steve Martin's Pink Panther was available on DVD. When told it was still playing at the cinema, she said that "it came out months ago and should be on DVD now, and she saw an advert in a magazine saying it was". Now, I'm pretty sure The Pink Panther wasn't promoted 13 months before it's release, but the first trailers may have come out just before Christmas over here. But it doesn't matter. She probably remembered seeing the trailer and assumed, as one does when something is advertised, it was available/showing at that time. The trailer may have said coming soon at the start and or end, but maybe she forgot that. The "word was out", but it lacked context.

You may dismiss her as being an atypical, rather stupid member of the public, but if you've ever had a job that involves dealing with the public you'll seen discover that on the whole, the public is stupid. They don't read things. They don't pay attention to stuff.

Also, looking at the top 10 films for 2005, 2004 and 2003 most managed without having to resort to teasers months and months in advance.
Luke wrote:If they have an interest in Pixar and/or Disney and a drive to look up things on the Internet, then they probably know about it. But I'm willing to bet there is an enormous number of families and children who love what Pixar does and don't know a thing about Ratatouille until now. Plus, keep in mind that this is the first time that Pixar has said anything officially about the movie (save for the mention at the Disney investors conference call - which I'm sure has a listenership far below Pixar's fanbase).
But how is a child knowing a movie is coming out going to help? A year is a life-time for a child, and I'm pretty sure famlies don't plan their cinema trips months in advance. I'm not against publicity are a more appropriate time, but trailing a film NOW when it's now available for 13 months is just going to result in children pestering their parents.

* Yes, I know technically Blu Ray hasn't launched yet, as such, but it's only weeks away.
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TheSequelofDisney wrote:Thanks Hogi Bear! I can't wait for more! Hey, can anyone identify who the voices are?
As far as I can tell:

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For some of us that are in the UK or other parts of the country where Cars hasnt been released yet heres the english trailer for Ratatouille: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw82aRqm ... %20trailer
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Andy wrote:For some of us that are in the UK or other parts of the country where Cars hasnt been released yet heres the english trailer for Ratatouille: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw82aRqm ... %20trailer
YouTube is accessible to all parts of the world, and it doesn't matter what is uploaded. Once something is released to the public in one country, it's bound to go on the internet for all countries to access.
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Oh this movie has failure written all over it.

For one, the story doesn't look good. It could range from so many things, and frankly, all the things I can think of don't look good.

Also, I also feel Disney's experience with rodents can somewhat kill this movie. I mean when I told my Dad about this film, he said, "You mean Disney's making ANOTHER rat movie?" He was of course referring to The Great Mouse Detective and The Rescuers movies. Plus don't forget Mickey Mouse who's a mouse and is constantly advertise. There are even a lot of non-Disney rodent films like those Don Bluth "American" films, various Tom and Jerry shorts, and even the upcoming "Flushed Away"(which I repeat is NOT a copy). I mean, it was easy to sell Cars since there has never been popular animated Cars before, plus there were so many ways to advertise them. It won't be easy advertising for rats, especially considering how many times it has been done.

And then there was the audience's reaction. They laughed for a bunch of CG animated looking crap like "Open Season", "The Any Bully" that Nickelodeon movie with Cows. Then there was "Meet the Robinsons" which after three months is still getting laughs(thankfully :) ) but there were NO laughs from this teaser what-so-ever. Definetely not a good sign.

I definetely agree with 2099net they should wait at least until Cars comes to DVD to advertise it. Or better yet, wait until they thought of something funny, or interesting to show. Why bother advertising a movie 1 YEAR away?
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Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:Oh this movie has failure written all over it.

For one, the story doesn't look good. It could range from so many things, and frankly, all te things I can think of don't look good.

Also, I also feel Disney's experience with rodents can somewhat kill this movie. I mean when I told my Dad about this film, he said, "You mean Disney's making ANOTHER rat movie? He was of course referring to The Great Mouse Detective and The Rescuers movies. Plus don't forget Mickey Mouse who's a mouse. There are even a lot of non-Disney rodent films like those Don Bluth "American" films, various Tom and Jerry shorts, and even the upcoming "Flushed Away"(which I repeat is NOT a copy). I mean, it was easy to sell Cars since there has never been popular animated Cars before, plus there were so many was to advertise them. It won't be easy advertising for rats, especially considering how many times it has been done.

And then there was the audience's reaction. They laughed for a bunch of CG animated looking crap like "Open Season", "The Any Bully" that Nickelodeon movie with Cows. Then there was "Meet the Robinsons" which after three months is still getting laughs(thankfully :) ) but there were NO laughs from this movie what-so-ever. Definetely not a good sign.

I definetely agree with 2099net they should wait at least until Cars comes to DVD to advertise it. Or better yet, wait until they thought of something funny, or interesting to show. Why bother advertising a movie 1 YEAR away?
Timon/Pumbaa fan, I don't even know where to begin with your statement! Let me compose myself.....

Okay, first thing is first. TEASER TRAILER. It means just that. It is a tease (revealing very little), about the film. It is minute and a half clip, of which very little, if any, will even appear in the actual film. In my mind, I don't see how you could say that it has "failure written all over it", when you have absolutely NO idea about the story?!

Second, if the audience you saw it with didn't even chuckle, but, laughed out loud at the other CG animated trailers, then the entire audience must have had sticks up their butts! I can say that I couldn't even hear the last few seconds of the TEASER TRAILER, because the audience I saw Cars with was laughing so hard at the comment about "You know, if you can sort of muscle your way past the gag reflex, all kinds of food possibilites open up". If you, and the audience, couldn't find that scene/comment funny, then you must have the driest sense of humor since dirt.

Third, you should inform your father that Pixar is making a "rat" film. Disney is distributing it. Either way, trust that this will be a different film than what has been done, before.

Finally, we'll go down this road, again. Pixar has always shown a teaser of a coming film, in front of their current film, regardless of how far away the release date is. It's traditional, the audience expects it (to see what Pixar is doing next), and it is nothing new. Why is that SOOOOO FREAKING hard for some people to understand?!

If you want to call Ratatouille a failure, that's fine, but, do it AFTER the film has come out, and it is judged by a majority to be a failure. Let the dang film come out, first, and watch it! You jump to conclusions with VERY LITTLE information, state your opinion, and expect that what you've said is written in stone. It's ridiculous!

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as too harsh, but, statements like this really irritate me, and you make a lot of these types of statements, without actually having seen a film, used a product, etc.
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