The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian

[TM2-Megatron]

All of the Christian symbolism was there with the exception of the reference to the Emperor Beyond the Sea.

I wouldn't say all of it was there; only the most blatant. The one I would've liked for them to leave in was the reference to Jadis as a descendant of Lilith, which was a rather interesting revelation in the novels.

[Prince Eric]

I agree with T/P Fan totally and completely 100%.

I also would like to know why you didn't like the movie.

You said earlier that you would have rather them approach it like the LOTR team approached that franchise. I think they did. Heck, even WETA, the same digital effects team that worked on LOTR, created all the Narnia creatures.
How would you have made it better?

I've already stated my dislikes. I would think making them the opposite would show what I think would make it a better movie.

There's more transfering the book's deeper meaning's than to simply inserting references to the myths of the book. I'm not even going to get into that, because it'll be an exercise in futility, I'm sure.

Timon/Pumba Fan - If I right opinionated reviews, tough! Get over it, all of you. Opinions aren't personal attacks

[numba1lostboy]

There's more transfering the book's deeper meaning's than to simply inserting references to the myths of the book. I'm not even going to get into that, because it'll be an exercise in futility, I'm sure.

Timon/Pumba Fan - If I right opinionated reviews, tough! Get over it, all of you. Opinions aren't personal attacks

I don't understand what you just said AT ALL...maybe I'm just tired, but that sentence did not make any sense to me.

What deeper meanings do you see in the books?

Also, I agree that you have your right to be opinionated, but do you really need to state them so forcefully? You might consider people's feelings...

[Prince Eric]

There's more transfering the book's deeper meaning's than to simply inserting references to the myths of the book. I'm not even going to get into that, because it'll be an exercise in futility, I'm sure.

Timon/Pumba Fan - If I right opinionated reviews, tough! Get over it, all of you. Opinions aren't personal attacks

I don't understand what you just said AT ALL...maybe I'm just tired, but that sentence did not make any sense to me.

What deeper meanings do you see in the books?

Also, I agree that you have your right to be opinionated, but do you really need to state them so forcefully? You might consider people's feelings...

Yeah, I don't understand that sentence easier. I guess it's called having-to-defend-yourself-at-midnight-for-no-obvious-reason. The deeper meanings I see in the book that did not manifest themselves onscreen were that of family, and human loss, and innocence that is lost at the expense of experience. Some of these were obviously there, but like I maintain, the hokey filmmaking did nothing to move me. I can't believe in a fantasy world that looks physically fake and is emotionally fake, as well.

As for the last part of your comment, I'm confused. In fact, I'm just going to drop it because it makes no sense at all. I didn't know people's feelings were so delicate when it came to movies I didn't like.

[Timon/Pumbaa fan]

Timon/Pumba Fan - If I right opinionated reviews, tough! Get over it, all of you. Opinions aren't personal attacks

Well believe it or not, I'm not forcing you to change your opinion. You say you don't want to "exercise" yourself to say why you didn't like it, but as you can see, you have made three members confused by saying it didn't have the emotional depth of the film. So give us the hard details why you didn't like it. Even Disneykid is confused, and he maybe the biggest fantasy book/movie lover I know. Heck while your at it, explain to us how the "emotional" Lord of the Rings films were better than Narnia, cause I personally think Return of the King shouldn't have won Best Picture, because the Oscars have always been baised towards "blockbusters" and "fantasies". Yet the give it "Best Picture" for some bizzare reason.

Also, why do all movies have to have "messages" on society, politics, religon to be good? I mean you are after all on a Disney board and even the film you took your name from doesn't have those "messages". So once again, what did you want from Narnia which it didn't have.

So please, if you do want to respond, again, put more depth in your posts. No one is trying to change your opinion.

[jwa1107]

All of the Christian symbolism was there with the exception of the reference to the Emperor Beyond the Sea.

I wouldn't say all of it was there; only the most blatant. The one I would've liked for them to leave in was the reference to Jadis as a descendant of Lilith, which was a rather interesting revelation in the novels.

I would speculate that the Lilith reference was left out due partially to the lack-of-common-knowledge involving Lilith and partially due to the ambiguity in the many mythos of who/what Lilith was (for lack of direct Biblical reference).

[Prince Eric]

Timon/Pumba Fan - If I right opinionated reviews, tough! Get over it, all of you. Opinions aren't personal attacks

So please, if you do want to respond, again, put more depth in your posts. No one is trying to change your opinion.

I think someone had a bet on here that if you put a little more thought into your posts, then everyone else would. Making cyclical arguements is not the same thing, FYI. What do you not understand? I didn't buy the supposed "emotional" elements because everything was FAKE. The acting was fake. The dialogue was fake. The production was fake. I responded to The Lord of the Rings films (like every other cineaste did) because the guy who made them was practically a Tolkein scholar himself. The worlds were real. The characters were what you call rounded and real. Everything was real.

Disneykid may be a big fantasy buff, but that doesn't he has authority over anyone who doesn't like the movie.

[Timon/Pumbaa fan]

There goes Prince Eric AGAIN.

I said go into more detail why. You didn't. You said the movie was "fake". Well every movie was "fake" so your just confusing everyone with your "intellegent" arguement. If your saying it was bad, put more detail to why it was bad. Peter Jackson may appreciate the books, but he should've learned there was a lot of stuff those movies could've done without. He even tops it with the EVEN WORSE King Kong. I don't see how the characters were more "rounded" then the ones in Narnia. There was TON of stuff that happened with the characters in the Lord of the Ring franchise that didn't even BELONG. So why don't you go into more detail like I asked?

But why bother, it's clear you're never going to give a "clear" answer, like you do with like 90% of your posts. Escapay's right.

[Prince Eric]

The only person who wrong here are the certain people who fail to let others have a minority opinion. From my count, that person is definately not me. I'm not going to continue giving "details" when all you do is shoot off at the mouth at how I think everyone else is less intelligent that myself.

[Timon/Pumbaa fan]

I'm not going to continue giving "details" when all you do is shoot off at the mouth at how I think everyone else is less intelligent that myself.

Well "duh" we "shoot off at the mouth at how you think everyone else is less intelligent that myself".

I guess we should let you just insult everyone on this board. Well the majority of us here are probably just going to ignore you from now on.

[numba1lostboy]

So...back to the reason that this thread was created....

Who do you guys think would make a cool Prince Caspian? Do you think they'll get an unknown, like they did with the first four principal characters?

[Disneykid]

I definitely think Caspian (and all the other children coming up in the series like Eustace, Jill, Diggory, and Polly) should be an unknown. I'd really like to see Marton Csokas play King Miraz, though. He'd be absolutely perfect for the role.

The film is going to be VERY hard to adapt, though. It just may be the hardest of the Narnia books to translate to film (hence why the BBC film was only a barebones, one-hour version of the story that acted as a prelude for Voyage of the Dawn Treader). They have to juggle back and forth between Caspian's story line and the Pevensies', not to mention having to beef up the story considerably once the kids return to Narnia. There's a lot of sitting and talking before the big battle, and what little there is very strongly reminiscent of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe:

SPOILERS!

* There's a tyrannical ruler in Narnia (Miraz) in place of the rightful king (Caspian).
* Lucy sees something (Aslan) that no one else can see, and so they once again doubt her.
* There's another race to get to the Stone Table before the enemy (Miraz's army) does.
* Peter goes on a one-on-one duel with the villain.
* Lucy and Susan ride off with Aslan as he summons people to follow him

Somehow they're going to have to make the Pevensies' stay in Narnia more eventful than it is in the book. All the stuff I mentioned in the spoilers happens in the last third of the book. The first third is catching us up on Caspian's story via flashback, and the middle is simply a lot of planning and anticipation for the battle. I trust the filmmakers will know how to approach all of this, though. If they were able to make a film so amazing that it topped an already great book, I can't wait to see how they'll improve a book that's simply good but not great.

[Prince Eric]

I'm not going to continue giving "details" when all you do is shoot off at the mouth at how I think everyone else is less intelligent that myself.

Well "duh" we "shoot off at the mouth at how you think everyone else is less intelligent that myself".

I guess we should let you just insult everyone on this board. Well the majority of us here are probably just going to ignore you from now on.

I don't think three posters (five at the max) make up a majority. I also maintain that I have never insulted anyone on this board, otherwise, I wouldn't be here right now.

[kbehm29]

The film is going to be VERY hard to adapt, though. ...Somehow they're going to have to make the Pevensies' stay in Narnia more eventful than it is in the book.

Did anyone read my post on the 2nd page about them possibly delaying this movie until December of 2008? They say the reason for this is because the film is so hard to adapt and having more CG effects.

[Escapay]

It's been awhile since I've read Prince Caspian, so with it being delayed, I do have some more catchup reading to do, lol. But if it's to improve the CG, maybe it'll be a better film for it. Then again, sometimes less is more, and perhaps they should focus more on how to better adapt the story than how to better "fix" the CG effects.

Escapay

[2099net]

It's been awhile since I've read Prince Caspian, so with it being delayed, I do have some more catchup reading to do, lol. But if it's to improve the CG, maybe it'll be a better film for it. Then again, sometimes less is more, and perhaps they should focus more on how to better adapt the story than how to better "fix" the CG effects.

Escapay

Escapay nails it again. I couldn't have put this better myself.

[Escapay]

It's been awhile since I've read Prince Caspian, so with it being delayed, I do have some more catchup reading to do, lol. But if it's to improve the CG, maybe it'll be a better film for it. Then again, sometimes less is more, and perhaps they should focus more on how to better adapt the story than how to better "fix" the CG effects.

Escapay

Escapay nails it again. I couldn't have put this better myself.

I love it when netty agrees with me.



And they're not even dancing for a UD review!

Escapay

[Timon/Pumbaa fan]

Oh dear.

The Hollywood Reporter lives up to its name with the breaking news that the much-anticipated Disney/Walden sequel The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian has been rescheduled to open in the summer of 2008. Previously slated for December 14, 2007, the feature adaptation of C.S. Lewis's fantasy novel was moved in part due to Walden's family fantasy The Water Horse (a co-production with Columbia Pictures) being pegged for a December 7, 2007 opening.

Well the bad news is the longer wait. However, it'll be interesting to see if it does as well as TLTW&TW. Though, I liked how it was near Christmas time, you know, for a series with Christian themes.

[lord-of-sith]

The thing about the move is that it was pretty obviously comming. One could argue that the films in the Harry Potter series, even though they come out only 1 1/2 years apart, they still have phenominal visual effects. Also, one could argue that the Star Wars prequels had better effects, and they were 3 years apart. My guess is that they weren't sure if they were gonna do a sequel (they didn't know how well TLTWATW was going to do money-wise). So when the first film was a sucess, they set a date that was too early, without realizing that they hadn't even started work on it yet. The Harry Potter films have always started production before the previous film was released, because there was no doubt that it would be a sucess, the same could not be said here.

[lighthousemike]

The Walt Disney Co has postponed the release of "Prince Caspian" -- the sequel to its hit film "The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" -- to summer of 2008 from the 2007 holiday season, a company spokesman said on Wednesday.

The delay was meant to give director Andrew Adamson more time to work on the special-effects-laden film, which is based on the children's book by C.S. Lewis, spokesman Dennis Rice said.