Best Disney Animated not on Classic List

[Hogi Bear]

I can't believe nobody has listed Aladdin and the King of Thieves or Lion King 2: Simba's Pride.

As has already been pointed out in this thread, Touchstone is and always has been entirely owned and operated by Disney. The only thing that distinguishes Walt Disney Pictures from Touchstone Pictures is what division gets credit/blame for the film's performance.

I've always if there is even a seperate unit for Touchstone or if they're all done in the same unit (Disney live action (Eight Below, et cetera)).

[Disney Princess Ariellen]

I can't believe nobody has listed Aladdin and the King of Thieves or Lion King 2: Simba's Pride.

I'm not a big fan of Simba's Pride, but I'm right there with you on Aladdin and the King of Thieves. I think there's a lot of real heart and emotion in that movie. The animation isn't on the same level as the original Aladdin, but there are nice touches like the fact that Aladdin and Jasmine look older than they did in the original. The instrumental score is beautiful too. And hooray for character depth in a sequel.

I also love Mickey, Donald, Goofy: The Three Musketeers...I LOVE once again seeing the classic characters as CHARACTERS, not just generic cute characters on merchandise or particularly cute corporate corporate symbols. That movie is so sweet and so cute, and I like the use of classical music as the theme of the songs. The in-jokes and nods to some 'classic' traits of the main characters make me smile. Adorable movie.

[Prince Eric]

I totally agree with ya. I think Disney just wants a cut of money on that one. They also added some songs to a greatest Disney CD, which I don't know why, it wasn't Disney in the first place!

Wow. That statement just offended me in so many ways, because it was just so wrong.

You say Nightmare isn't a Disney movie. Well you know what, playing by those rules, your beloved "Beauty and the Beast" isn't a Disney movie as it wasn't created by ANYBODY from the Walt days.

That's just being trite and childish.

She probably just had a wrong idea of how the Touchstone/Disney partnership works. Even if she didn't, her claim would still have more legitimacy because Beauty and the Beast was created by Walt Disney Feature Animation. Logos may only be logos, but they are still markers that seperate the two. She wasn't knocking The Nightmare Before Christmas, you know.

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

The Prince and the Pauper
The Ugly Duckling
Mickey's Christmas Carol
The Goofy Movie
Twice upon a Christmas
Beauty and the Beast 2
Aladdin and the King of Thieves
Cinderella 2
Atlantis 2
Hunchback of Notre Dame 2

[Timon/Pumbaa fan]

Wow. That statement just offended me in so many ways, because it was just so wrong.

You say Nightmare isn't a Disney movie. Well you know what, playing by those rules, your beloved "Beauty and the Beast" isn't a Disney movie as it wasn't created by ANYBODY from the Walt days.

That's just being trite and childish.

She probably just had a wrong idea of how the Touchstone/Disney partnership works. Even if she didn't, her claim would still have more legitimacy because Beauty and the Beast was created by Walt Disney Feature Animation. Logos may only be logos, but they are still markers that seperate the two. She wasn't knocking The Nightmare Before Christmas, you know.

I didn't mean to offend anybody. If I did, then I'm sorry. I also know my example was a bad one, I just wanted to make a point.

However I'm just tired of people saying "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" and "Nightmare" not being Disney films just because they're Touchstone.

I mean it would make sense if she was starting a new thread called, "Why does Disney list NBC on their CD", but where Luke and I have already confirmed they're Disney on a thread, doesn't it seem non-sensical?

[Prince Eric]

No, it does not seem "non-sensical." It was an honest mistake.

[Escapay]

Well since we seem to be hung up on names and banners that Disney used, I've got a question:

I was watching my old Black Diamond VHS of "Beauty and the Beast" simply out of nostalgia, and noticed that in the beginning, it says

Walt Disney Presents

in association with
Silver Screen Partners IV

But the DVD doesn't have the SSPIV credit. So...what exactly was "Silver Screen Partners IV"? Was it another company that Disney later acquired and assimilated into WDFA? Or was it something Disney created and later got rid of (like Hollywood Pictures)?

Escapay

[2099net]

Well since we seem to be hung up on names and banners that Disney used, I've got a question:

I was watching my old Black Diamond VHS of "Beauty and the Beast" simply out of nostalgia, and noticed that in the beginning, it says

Walt Disney Presents

in association with
Silver Screen Partners IV

But the DVD doesn't have the SSPIV credit. So...what exactly was "Silver Screen Partners IV"?
Escapay

Oddly, that is still on the PAL DVD.

Now, I did look into this in the past. From what I can gather, it was still close to Disney's "Dark Days" and they needed additional funding for their films (their has been a Silver Screen Partners III and II) on earlier films. I also assume that there was a Silver Screen Partners for the first.

I think The Great Mouse Detective was the first animated film made with additional funding from outside the company. (SSP?)

Anyhow, I think they were basically a group of people with money, who invested it in animated Walt Disney films, and got a return on their investment, but no ownership. Let's face it, they probably made a killing (and still do).

I seem to remember reading that George W Bush was a member of the Silver Screen Partners.

http://www.psychotronicvideo.com/wow/bush/bush.html
(looks like they did more than just animated films)

Who would have guessed? DisneyBush?

[Escapay]

Thanks, netty.

Escapay

[MichaeLeah]

I am surprised that only one person mentioned Mickey's Christmas Carol. I also think Ben and Me is quite good.

[Noodle]

It's a close toss between Lion King 2: Simba's Pride & Lady and the Tramp 2:Scamp's adventure for me.Either way i love both movies.

[CJ]

My favorites are:
The Nightmare Before Christmas
Dinosaur
Ducktales: The Movie
Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin
The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

I am surprised that only one person mentioned Mickey's Christmas Carol. I also think Ben and Me is quite good.

Oh, I totally forgot about Ben and me! It's really quite nice! Its animation reminds me of Cinderella and the story is really very cute! I also like "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" but since it's considered to be a part of a Classic called "The Adventures of Ichabod and Mrs Toad" I can't mention it. I have to say also that I don't consider those bunch movies as classics, if each story of them was presented alone it would be ok. But something that combines 2 or 3 completely diferrent stories is not a movie to me, is more a video collection entitled "Disney Fables" or something. Disney should someday correct that mistake.

[MichaeLeah]

I agree it is strange when several stories are mixed and are called one movie but there is good reason for that when it comes to The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad. That is the way it was originally released to the theatre in 1949. You have to remember that the studio was still trying to get back on its feet after WWII. They couldn't afford to go through the whole process of developing a feature length story yet. The Adventures is part of the animation canon and it should remain as is. I think you can buy some collections on DVD that have the stories separated if you prefer. But I do see your reasoning and it makes sense.

[Karushifa]

From my childhood...I adored The Brave Little Toaster, and think it was done as well as a DTV movie could have been made. It was helped by the fact that there was some great voice talent (Jon Lovitz, Phil Hartman, Thurl Ravenscroft) and was co-written by Joe Ranft, I believe. The sequels were vastly inferior, IMO.

I also really liked Ducktales: The Movie, primarily because it was the only Disney Afternoon show to get its own theatrical feature film. Makes you wonder how awesome a Talespin or Darkwing Duck movie would have been...anyway, this movie is LONG overdue for a wide DVD release.

[Karushifa]

Oh, and MICKEY'S CHRISTMAS CAROL!!! Boy, did I drive my parents nuts with that one...I think I wore out the tape after a while

[Disney-Fan]

I was watching my old Black Diamond VHS of "Beauty and the Beast" simply out of nostalgia, and noticed that in the beginning, it says

Walt Disney Presents

in association with
Silver Screen Partners IV

I seem to recall that The Little Mermaid also has that company's name in the credits. I hope it's not edited out in the new release, for nostalgic reasons. It's odd that Disney would edit something so petty and unnoticed.

[Escapay]

I was watching my old Black Diamond VHS of "Beauty and the Beast" simply out of nostalgia, and noticed that in the beginning, it says

Walt Disney Presents

in association with
Silver Screen Partners IV

I seem to recall that The Little Mermaid also has that company's name in the credits. I hope it's not edited out in the new release, for nostalgic reasons. It's odd that Disney would edit something so petty and unnoticed.

Some of the old Disney films still have their RKO billing, though they got rid of it in Snow White. I think it's a case by case basis these days on what would get edited out. Netty pointed out that the SSPIV billing is still in R2, so it may still be there for TLM.

Escapay

[castleinthesky]

From my childhood...I adored The Brave Little Toaster, and think it was done as well as a DTV movie could have been made. It was helped by the fact that there was some great voice talent (Jon Lovitz, Phil Hartman, Thurl Ravenscroft) and was co-written by Joe Ranft, I believe. The sequels were vastly inferior, IMO.

The Brave Little Toaster was not DTV. It got released in some theatres.

[Karushifa]

The Brave Little Toaster was not DTV. It got released in some theatres.

If a movie is released in theaters...and no one is around to see it...

Then again, it was released in, what, 1987? So, before I was consicous of what was/was not running at a theater near me.

Okay...so I will say that The Brave Little Toaster was darn good for a "B-Crew" animated release