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BasilOfBakerStreet427 · Sat Oct 18, 2003 1:09 pm

Hint:Founded by Brigham Young.

Today4U · Post by **Today4U** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 3:27 pm

I'm not even the slightest bit religious, but I still find the religion-bashing here to be very offensive. Everyone has their own beliefs and that is a good thing. We are all here to discuss Disney, so let's keep it positive and not make anyone feel alienated just because you don't agree with their beliefs.

Porce · Post by **Porce** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 3:29 pm

BasilOfBakerStreet427 wrote:Hint:Founded by Brigham Young.

No, it was founded by Joseph Smith. Brigham Young was the second leader of this cult. Just some trivia for you in case you're ever a contestant on a game show...

Porce · Post by **Porce** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 3:31 pm

Today4U wrote:I'm not even the slightest bit religious, but I still find the religion-bashing here to be very offensive. Everyone has their own beliefs and that is a good thing. We are all here to discuss Disney, so let's keep it positive and not make anyone feel alienated just because you don't agree with their beliefs.

I agree, I hate when people say "some religious fanatic" or "crazy religious nut."

Prince Adam · Post by **Prince Adam** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 3:43 pm

Today4U wrote:I'm not even the slightest bit religious, but I still find the religion-bashing here to be very offensive. Everyone has their own beliefs and that is a good thing. We are all here to discuss Disney, so let's keep it positive and not make anyone feel alienated just because you don't agree with their beliefs.

I'm a Christian, and I want to thank you.

Lady · Post by **Lady** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 5:12 pm

being religious is not the same as being a religious fanatic.

then who is calling the rescuers a porno film? if not a religious nut, then some other variety of nut. or maybe some overzealous soccer mom. . . i think what everyone was doing was criticizing the kind of people (whomever they may be) who would actually consider the entire rescuers movie pornographic.

Drexl · Post by **Drexl** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 5:56 pm

Where did these quotes come from? I'd have to see them in context to find out how I'd feel about them.

For example, I could see a newspaper printing an article with the headline "Disney recalls 'dirty' movie" just to get people to read the article-not because whoever wrote the article really thinks it's dirty.

Maerj · Post by **Maerj** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 10:56 pm

No religious group controls the MPAA. Those quotes about The Rescuers were most likely either done in jest or were done by some really misguided person. The offending frames only ever appeared in that one VHS release, so its old news.

BasilOfBakerStreet427 · Sun Oct 19, 2003 12:05 am

Hail to the Christians,the Christians are so awesome.

Loomis · Post by **Loomis** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 2:27 am

Maerj wrote:No religious group controls the MPAA.

True, but all it takes is a couple of people to write a letter to spoil it for everybody.
Take the recent example of Baise Moi in Australia (or even Ken Park). 50,000 people went and saw it at the cinema, 4 people wrote and complained. The film got banned.

Now I'm not saying this was directly the act of religion in that case, nor am I saying it is in any other case (although many conservative groups do have religious affiliations). But in response to your comments, religious (and other) groups can "control" things like the MPAA or distributors in the sense that if a religious group mobilizes just a handful of people to complain, then the only feedback the studio/MPAA/television gets is from the four people who wrote letters, not the 49,996 who liked it/didn't have a problem with it, and thus didn't feel the need to write in.

Anyways, off topic now...

Jens · Post by **Jens** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 4:02 am

I haven't seen that movie myself, but by hearing what nudity is in it I can only laugh at those people's faces that complained. I mean, there always is a time in a kid's live when they see nudity of some kind. This can be in an old painting, uhm... see there mom in the shower and I can go on and on! I think adults feel more embarassed about those things then kids, but I don't actually understand why. It's natural, isn't it?

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 4:42 am

Today4U wrote:I'm not even the slightest bit religious, but I still find the religion-bashing here to be very offensive. Everyone has their own beliefs and that is a good thing. We are all here to discuss Disney, so let's keep it positive and not make anyone feel alienated just because you don't agree with their beliefs.

I don't feel anyone here has bashed religion as a concept here, just certain over-the-top individiuals or groups. No one for instance has made any derogeratry comment about Poco, who is a minister. In fact, all I can remember being posted to Poco on the subject was nothing by respect.

Some people here my be offended that these groups seemingly feel that they can dictate what individuals can and cannot do in their own homes for entertainment.

And don't forget some of the greatest wars in history were fought in the name of religion.

As I said in another thread, I have nothing against religon - the whole world would be a much better place if everyone followed the basic teachings of their religion. It's just some people take it too far - and like anything, from Potatoes to water, anything in excess ends up being bad (for you).

As for The Rescuers - who really cares. I find the rating for Frank and Olli to be bizarre -

PG
For a moment of language and a brief view of a nude drawing.

a view of a nude drawing? Do parents in America feel the need to censor great works of art like Michelangelo's David? Was the Simpsons right?

In my opinion Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame is much more disturbing to a child than a couple of frame of a topless woman, which you can't even see clearly when freeze framed. Hunchback has some scenes of intense cruelty to Quazimodo, which my daughter found very upsetting on her first viewing.

Uncle Remus · Post by **Uncle Remus** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 6:49 am

if people are worried about the shot in the Rescuers, then they should watch the Emperor's New Groove and see how bad Yzma is drawn as a woman during the scene where Kusco is turmed into a llama.

Today4U · Post by **Today4U** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:16 am

So many people thinking their reason is a good reason to discriminate. So blind.

The world does not revolve around any one of us. Life should not always be just the way any one of us wants it. If you want the freedom to voice your opinion without being harassed for it, you need to accept that some people's beliefs are very different from yours. If you don't feel like someone is respecting your opinion, then lead by example and respect their opinion without condition. Respecting an opinion does not mean agreeing with an opinion.

I know this is off-topic and bandwidth is an issue, so I'm not going to write any more. I wasn't even going to write this, but some of the responses since my last post have been rather disturbing.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 7:23 am

Today4U wrote:So many people thinking their reason is a good reason to discriminate. So blind.

The world does not revolve around any one of us. Life should not always be just the way any one of us wants it. If you want the freedom to voice your opinion without being harassed for it, you need to accept that some people's beliefs are very different from yours. If you don't feel like someone is respecting your opinion, then lead by example and respect their opinion without condition. Respecting an opinion does not mean agreeing with an opinion.

I know this is off-topic and bandwidth is an issue, so I'm not going to write any more. I wasn't even going to write this, but some of the responses since my last post have been rather disturbing.

But the point is, they often don't voice and opinion - they result in an action. And often their actions are the result of knee-jerk reactions without the full information. All we have done here is voice opinions. We haven't changed anything.

Look at Dogma. Religious complaints - before anyone had even seen the script, let alone the film, caused Disney (Miramax) to drop the film's production. Kevin Smith and View Askew got death threats in the mail. Death threats.

Other religious groups quite happily kill doctors and nurses who perform abortions.

Does any of that sound reasonable to you? Does it even compare in the slightest to anything anyone has said here? People can have opinions, but their opinions shouldn't forcefully affect the world around them.

karlsen · Post by **karlsen** » Sun Oct 19, 2003 12:01 pm

I did not want to join the religious part of this disgussion but now I feel that I have to.

People should clearly see the diffrent between what a religion is and what crazy people do in the name of their religion.

There will always be nuts out there like the Una bomber, those sick people that kills others, and people that abuse children. They might say that they do this becaus God has asked them too, but that does not say that any God has done that. They are just crazy and what they do and say has nothing to do with religious goups at all.

A disgussion like this that always refere to a few people doing something bad just because they belive that God has asked them to do it (like those nuts that kill abortion doctors) as religius groups and religious nuts gives people the idea that people that belives in a god is religious nuts.

I do not think that this was the intention of anybody on this forum, but it feels that way for those of us that has a belife in either God or Mohammed or any other religious belife.

I therefore sugest that we in the future do refere to nuts as nuts, not not religious groups or religious nuts.

But this was a topic about The rescuers and there is no doubt that there are a frame where some idiot at Disney has put a naked woman.

This was not Disneys intention, and when some crazy people noticed this (I realy can not see how they did notice it at all) Disney removed it.

What more could Disney do?

All the other stuff that nuts have reported to "see" are just stupid ideas from people that use their whole life to find something that they can use against somebody. I realy do feel sorry for them.

Finaly I ask every one of you to listen to the Johnny Cash song named "man in black". In it he sings about all the bad in the world and he seas that he wears black because of it. One ot the things that is the reason for the bad things are: "all the men that has died, beliving that the Lord was on their side". This is a great statement.

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