Educational Treasures - Wishful Thinking

[pppapazo]

Now that we know what's going to be on the WDT Disney Rarities set, I was wondering what people would hope would be included on the rumored Educational Treasures set.

Personally, I'd want both Freewayphobias, Scrooge McDuck & Money, It's Tough to Be a Bird, and a complete set of Jiminy Cricket's "I'm No Fool" series, but is this enough to fill a Treasures set?

Are there other educational shorts out there that I'm not aware of, maybe something with Ludwig von Drake?

[Lars Vermundsberget]

Should "money" and "bird" be considered educational titles?

Donald in Mathmagic Land and probably some other DD title(s) from the late 50s or the 60s could seem likely, but these would first and foremost be included on the final DD Treasure.

Look at various "instruction" and "public service" shorts from the 1940s - and there is enough material for more than one set. Some of this material was sampled and suggested on the "Frontlines" set.

[ohmahaaha]

Should "money" and "bird" be considered educational titles?

Donald in Mathmagic Land and probably some other DD title(s) from the late 50s or the 60s could seem likely, but these would first and foremost be included on the final DD Treasure.

Look at various "instruction" and "public service" shorts from the 1940s - and there is enough material for more than one set. Some of this material was sampled and suggested on the "Frontlines" set.

Yes, I was looking at the education shorts from the 40's over on the "Big Cartoon Database" site. There were a lot of shorts that looked like major snooze fests, but there were certainly enough otjher really cool looking ones that you could cull a decent amount together plus the features mentioned above (i.e. "Mathmagicland") that would make a wonderful Treasure Set!

[Cameron]

i would love to have these on disc.....i have seen so many over the years at school and at home...

[GhostHost]

will they ever be a chip and dale treasures?
Hopefully there will be another Disneyland U.S.A. treasures set.

[ohmahaaha]

will they ever be a chip and dale treasures?
Hopefully there will be another Disneyland U.S.A. treasures set.

As has been stated on more threads than there are Chip N Dale cartoons, there are only a handful of Chip N Dale cartoons - nowhere near enough for even half a Treasure set. You'll have to content yourself with the Cartoon Classics collection, or else hope that they are included with future Chronological Donald editions.

I don't know if there are enough additional episodes of "Disneyland"/"Walt Disney Presents"/"Wonderful World of Color" that focus exclusively on the park for there to be another Treasure set for Disneyland USA .. are there?

[creid]

I don't an Educational Treasure is out of the questions as they want to make 8 waves of treasures leaving 6 animation treasures left to release. Only four of these six would be accounted for at this time.

1) Donald Duck #3
2) Donald Duck #4
3) Pluto #2
4) Silly Symphonies

Of the two open slots here are four ideas bouncing around this website.

1) Educational Shorts - Along with some of the ones you mentioned that produced a lot shorts in the forties & fifties. Many of these will be as interesting the importance of grain from the Front Lines but it still decent material.
2) Rareties Two - An open treasure with silents, two specials not on the current Rareties, Figaro, C&D and lots of post-Walt material as well as some of the choices you made.
3) Chip & Dale - Since most of their toons will be covered by DD sets, I really hoping against this one for all the double dipping.
4) Silents - The current rareties will probably help Disney gauge interest in this possibility. I have seen a few Alices and while interesting to watch, they have mininal interest for me. Unfortunately, there appears to rights issues with Oswald toons which I believe would be better than Alice.

I vote for DD#3 and Silly Symphonies #2 for next wave.

[Lars Vermundsberget]

will they ever be a chip and dale treasures?
Hopefully there will be another Disneyland U.S.A. treasures set.

Like some others, I'd hope there won't be a C&D Treasure since most of C&D's appearances most likely would be covered on the DD sets anyway.

But the question still remains: What are they going to do with the handful of C&D shorts?

[Little Red Henski]

All 3 Chip & Dale shorts have already been released on DVD.

[Mr. Toad]

There are more educational shorts than any other category. And I'm A Bird, Donald in Mathmagic Land, Scrooge McDuck and Money and FreewayPhobia are not considered educational shorts. With the exception of Mathmagic Land(which is a Donald short) they are considered to be Specials(what makes up the Rarities set).

There are 155 Educational Shorts compared to mid 120s for Both Mickey and Donald. It would take about five treasures to put them all out(maybe 4 if there were no extras).

These are them.

1955 You and Your…Five Senses Educational
1955 You and Your…Food Educational
1955 You and Your…Sense of Smell and Taste Educational
1955 You and Your..Sense of Touch Educational
1955 You…The Human Animal Educational
1955 You…The Living Machine Educational
1955 I'm No Fool…As A Pedestrian Educational
1955 I'm No Fool…In A Car Educational
1955 I'm No Fool…In an Emergency Educational
1955 I'm No Fool…In Unsafe Places Educational
1955 I'm No Fool…In Unsafe Places II Educational
1955 I'm No Fool…In Water Educational
1955 I'm No Fool…On Wheels Educational
1955 I'm No Fool…With A Bicycle Educational
1955 I'm No Fool…With Electricity Educational
1955 I'm No Fool…With Fire Educational
1955 I'm No Fool…With Safety At School Educational
1955 I'm No Fool…Having Fun Educational
1956 The Nature of Things Educational
1956 You and Your…Ears Educational
1957 You and Your..Eyes Educational
1962 A Storm Called Maria Educational
1964 Four Artists Paint One Tree Educational
1964 The Restless Sea Educational
1966 One Day at Teton Marsh Educational
1967 Family Planning Educational
1967 Ceramic Mural Educational
1968 Of Cats and Men Educational
1968 Of Horses and Men Educational
1968 The Deer Family Educational
1968 The Weasal Family Educational
1968 The Wild Cat Family - The Cougar Educational
1968 The Wild Dog Family - The Coyote Educational
1968 Triangle of Health Educational
1969 Physical Fitness and Good Health Educational
1969 The Social Side of Health Educational
1969 What Should I Do the Flight? Educational
1969 What Should I Do the Game? Educational
1970 The Bear Family Educational
1970 The Beasts of Burden Family Educational
1970 What Should I Do? The New Girl Educational
1971 Get The Message Educational
1971 Teeth Are for Chewing Educational
1972 History Alive! - Democracy - Equality or Privilege? Educational
1972 History Alive! - Impeachment of A President Educational
1972 History Alive! - State's Rights Educational
1972 History Alive! - The Right of Dissent Educational
1972 History Alive! - The Right of Petition Educational
1972 Leonardo Da Vinci - First Man of the Renaissance Educational
1972 Mrs. Peabody's Beach Educational
1972 The Great Search - Man's Need for Power and Energy Educational
1972 The Magic Whistle Educational
1973 Alaska's Bush Pilot Heritage Educational
1973 Henry O. Tanner: Pioneer American Black Artist Educational
1973 How Alaska Joined the World Educational
1973 John Muir: Father of Our National Parks Educational
1973 The Alaskan Gold Rush Educational
1973 V.D. Attack Plan Educational
1974 Magic and Music Educational
1974 Sequoya Educational
1975 A Day in Nature's Community Educational
1975 Barbara: Inside Out Educational
1975 History of Animation Educational
1975 If the Fergi Fits, Wear It Educational
1976 Filming Nature's Mysteries Educational
1976 The Reunion Educational
1976 Fergi Diversifies Educational
1977 Fergi Goes Inc. Educational
1977 The People on Market Street - Cost Educational
1977 The People on Market Street - Demand Educational
1977 The People on Market Street - Market Clearing Price Educational
1977 The People on Market Street - Property Rights and Pollution Educational
1977 The People on Market Street - Scarcity and Planning Educational
1977 The People on Market Street - Supply Educational
1977 The People on Market Street - Wages and Production Educational
1978 Eyewitness to History - the Events Educational
1978 Eyewitness to History - the Lifestyles Educational
1978 Eyewitness to History - the People Educational
1978 Fergi Meets the Challenge Educational
1978 Tricks of our Trade Educational
1979 Incident at Hawk's Hill Educational
1979 The National Student Fire Safety Test Educational
1979 The National Student First Aid Test Educational
1979 The National Student Recreational Safety Test Educational
1979 The National Student School Safety Test Educational
1979 The National Student Traffic Safety Test Educational
1979 The Truly Exceptional: Carol Johnston Educational
1979 The Truly Exceptional: Don Haley Educational
1979 The Truly Exeptional: Tom and Virl Osmond Educational
1979 Understaning Alcohol Use and Abuse Educational
1980 Fit to be You: Flexibility and Body Compisition Educational
1980 Fit to Be You: Hearts and Lungs Educational
1980 Fit to be You: Muscles Educational
1980 Foods and Fun: A Nutricianal Adventure Educational
1980 Rick, You're In: A Story About Mainstreaming Educational
1980 The Atom: A Closer Look Educational
1981 Coments: Time Capsules of the Solar System Educational
1981 Reaching Out: A Story about Mainstreaming Educational
1981 Smoking: The Choice is Yours Educational
1981 The Cookie Kid Educational
1981 The Nick Price Story of Non Malipulative Selling: A Better Way To Go Educational
1981 The Nick Price Story of Non Malipulative Selling: An Intro to NMS Educational
1981 The Nick Price Story of Non Malipulative Selling: Flexible Behavior Educational
1981 The Nick Price Story of Non Malipulative Selling: The Voice Educational
1982 America Works…America Sings Educational
1982 Buyer Be Wise Educational
1982 Close Up on the Planets Educational
1982 Computers: The Friendly Invasion Educational
1982 Fitness for Living: How to get Fit Educational
1982 Fitness for Living: Measuring Up Educational
1982 Fitness for Living: What is Physical Fitness? Educational
1982 Get it Right: Following Directions With Goofy Educational
1982 Speaking of Weathers Educational
1982 The Energy Savers Educational
1983 A Goofy Look at Valentine's Day Educational
1983 Computers: The Truth of the Matter Educational
1983 Decision Making: Critical Thought in Action Educational
1983 Disney's Haunted Halloween Educational
1983 Disney's Wonderful World of Winter Educational
1983 Fun to be Fit: Getting Physically Fit Educational
1983 Fun to be fit: Physical Fitness Educational
1983 Fun to be fit: Why by Physically Fit? Educational
1983 Futurework Educational
1983 Jiminy Crickett, PS(Problem Solver) Educational
1983 Skills for a New Technology: What a Kid needs to Know About Communication Skills Educational
1983 Skills for a New Technology: What a Kid needs to Know Today: Living With Change Educational
1983 Skills for a New Technology: What a Kid needs to Know Today: Living with Computers Educational
1983 The Time Travellers' Guide to Energy Educational
1984 Child Molestation: Breaking the Silence Educational
1984 Destinations: Careers Educational
1984 Destinations: Communications Educational
1984 Destinations: Excellence Educational
1984 Destination: Science Educational
1984 Energy in Physics Educational
1984 EPCOT Advanced Information System Educational
1984 Ethics in the Computer Age Educational
1984 Fitness and Me: How to Exercise Educational
1984 Fitness and Me: What is Fitness Exercise? Educational
1984 Fitness and Me: Why Exercise? Educational
1984 Harold and His Amazine Green Plants Educational
1984 Lights! Camera! Fractions! Educational
1984 Now I Can Tell You My Secret Educational
1984 The Challenge of Survival: Chemicals Educational
1984 The Challenge of Survival: Land Educational
1984 The Challenge of Survival: Water Educational
1985 A Time To Tell: Teen Sexual Abuse Educational
1985 Advice on Lice Educational
1985 Before It's Too Late - A Film on Teenage Suicide Educational
1985 Decimals- Whats the Point? Educational
1985 Economics By Choice Educational
1985 Expectations - A Story About Stress Educational
1985 Flight! Educational
1985 On Your Own Educational
1986 Aids Educational
1986 Simple Machines: A Moving Experience Educational

[Mr. Toad]

cried - I am thinking Silly Symphonies 2 will be in the last wave. Kind of a bookend thing.

What is left from the theatrical released shorts

2 Volumes Donald Duck
2 Specials/Rarities(including People and Places)
1 Pluto
1 True Live Adventures

Three more years after this one. I am thinking Donald Duck is the lead for the next two years.

Donald V3/TLA - 2006
Donald V4/Specials V2 - 2007
Pluto/Silly Sympnonies - 2008

[pppapazo]

What are the "People and Places" shorts?

My feeling is that the following series will be:

Wave 6" Pluto V2 & Educational Treasures (mostly Jiminy's "You and Your" and "I'm No Fool" series. That's almost three hours worth of shorts)
Wave 7: Donald V3 & Silly Symphonies V2
Wave 8: Donald V3 & Disney Rarities (1960s - 2000s)

I'm confident that we'll see the True Life Adventures shorts in there somewhere, but I don't think Disney will mess with the formula of two animated volumes per set.

[creid]

Wow!!! Who knew Disney was educating our population so much. Of course I saw the Freeway Goofy toons at Traffic School. Did the Disney have a crystal ball on this?

1972 History Alive! - Impeachment of A President Educational

That was the year of the break-in and before Watergate was blown open in 1973.

CR

[Mr. Toad]

People and Places shorts(all theatrical)
1953 The Alaskan Eskimo People and Places
1954 Siam People and Places
1955 Arizona Sheepdog People and Places
1955 Switzerland People and Places
1955 Men Against the Arctic People and Places
1956 Sardinia People and Places
1956 Disnelyland USA People and Places
1956 Samoa People and Places
1957 Blue Men of Morocco People and Places
1957 Lapland People and Places
1957 Portugal People and Places
1958 Wales People and Places
1958 Scotalnd People and Places
1958 Ama Girls People and Places
1958 Seven Cities of Antartica People and Places
1959 Cruise of the Eagle People and Places
1960 Japan People and Places
1960 The Danube People and Places

[Mr. Toad]

I have been working on this for awhile from a number of sources including BCDB. They are not quite rigt yet but these are the theatrical shorts.

1 Donald Duck 124
2 Mickey Mouse 123
3 Silly Symphonies 75
4 Alice in Cartoonland 57
5 Special 53
6 Pluto 47
7 Goofy 47
8 Oswald 26
9 Live Action 24
10 People and Places 18
11 Animated Classics 18
12 Laugh-O-Grams 7
13 Featurettes 12
Lafflets 8
14 True Life Adventures 7
15 Rogger Rabbit 3
15 Figaro 3
15 Chip 'N' Dale 3
18 Goofy and Donald 2
19 Song-O-Reel 1
19 Bonkers 1

659

[Mr. Toad]

These are the non theatrical shorts. Note: The Disney War years contained no Armed Forces shorts(except in the montage). It did include most of the NFBC(National Film Board of Canada) shorts.

Educational 155
Armed Forces 75
Sponsor 42
NFBC 5
Theme Park 4
Unknown 1

282

[pppapazo]

I have been working on this for awhile from a number of sources including BCDB. They are not quite rigt yet but these are the theatrical shorts.

1 Donald Duck 124
2 Mickey Mouse 123
3 Silly Symphonies 75
4 Alice in Cartoonland 57
5 Special 53
6 Pluto 47
7 Goofy 47
8 Oswald 26
9 Live Action 24
10 People and Places 18
11 Animated Classics 18
12 Laugh-O-Grams 7
13 Featurettes 12
Lafflets 8
14 True Life Adventures 7
15 Rogger Rabbit 3
15 Figaro 3
15 Chip 'N' Dale 3
18 Goofy and Donald 2
19 Song-O-Reel 1
19 Bonkers 1

659

Wow. That's pretty thorough. I hope you won't mind answering a couple more questions - like what's an "animated classic" and how is that different from a "special?"

[Mr. Toad]

Animated Classics are those shorts that appeared first as part of one of Disney's 44 animated classics before being issued as a short.

1975 The Madcap Adventures of Mr. Toad Animated Classic Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad
1958 The Legend of Sleepy Hollow Animated Classic Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad
1971 Bongo Animated Classic Fun and Fancy Free
1954 Casey at the Bat Animated Classic Make Mine Music
1954 Johny Fedora and Alice Blue Bonnet Animated Classic Make Mine Music
1955 Peter and the Wolf Animated Classic Make Mine Music
1954 The Martins and the Coys Animated Classic Make Mine Music
1954 Two for the Record Animated Classic Make Mine Music
1954 Willie the Operatic Whale Animated Classic Make Mine Music
1955 Contrast in Rhythm Animated Classic Melody Time
1955 Johnny Appleseed Animated Classic Melody Time
1954 Little Toot Animated Classic Melody Time
1954 Once Upon A Wintertime Animated Classic Melody Time
1955 Aruerla do Brasil Animated Classic Saludos Amigos
1955 Late Tititaca Animated Classic Saludos Amigos
1955 Pedro Animated Classic Saludos Amigos
1955 The Flying Gauchito Animated Classic The Three Caballeros

Specials - are those that appeared with any sort of distinct title card. Thus, Freewayphobia is considered a Special and not a Goofy short because it lacked the Goofy title card. I am not sure I agree with that logic, but it is the logic all discographers to date have used so I can't really go against it. The definition is not always distinct. Adventures in Music appeared twice as a title card but they are generally considered Specials.

[Tolhurst]

[quote="Mr. Toad"]There are more educational shorts than any other category. And I'm A Bird, Donald in Mathmagic Land, Scrooge McDuck and Money and FreewayPhobia are not considered educational shorts. With the exception of Mathmagic Land(which is a Donald short) they are considered to be Specials(what makes up the Rarities set).

To be fair they are available to purchase for educators....
They can easily justify putting them on an educational treasures, hell they probably would double dip Donald In Mathmagicland!!

To answer an earlier question, they could make another Disneyland USA set from the TV show....
Disneyland 4th anniversary (57)
The Golden Horseshoe Revue (62)
Holidaytime at Disneyland (62)
Disneyland Goes TO The World's Fair (64)
Disneyland around the seasons (66)

and if they ever go past 66' , I'd like the one with the Osmunds and Kurt Russell seeing the Haunted Mansion for the first time!

There is also a live TV series (13 episodes) from 1962 called Meet Me At Disneyland which broadcast live performances from around the park.

Think 'Disneyland After Dark' but each segment would be it's own hour...... I would absolutley buy this if ever released on DVD.

[pppapazo]

Thanks. I didn't know that about the Animated Classics.

What are "Two for the Record" and "Contrast in Rhythm," though? I don;t recall those segments from Make Mine Music and Melody Time.