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Lucas won the AFI Lifetime Achievement award this year.

STAR WARS III - despite if you're a Star Wars fan or not, is a horrible film. It's pure action and combat. A strong plot with no storytelling - too flashy and not a smooth story. Pure spectacle. Enjoyable, but hardly a good film.

All the LORD OF THE RINGS films were just as flashy - however they didn't rely on special effects and flash 100%. A story was also told. Great drama and powerful storytelling. Peter Jackson done good.

And George Lucas done good for his Star Wars films Ep's 4, 5, and 6. But the newest three lacked big time. Hardly Oscar worthy, with the exception of special effects.

And Hayden Christiansen is the worst actor I have ever seen. Must EVERY syllable of EVERY word of EVERY sentence be WHINED??? Horrible line deliveries throughout. Awful in every way. He acts with his eyes and nothing else. He makes me want to GAG. HORRIBLE. I can't say it enough. I was SO disappointed with this casting choice - HOW did it happen?? YUCK!

The only acting performance I truly enjoyed was by Ian McDormind. It was true, believable, and the best in the film. If no other Supporting Actors gain buzz, Ian will get a nod.
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Timon/Pumba fan wrote: Meh Peter Jackson's "vision" was inspired by George Lucas. He ever said it on the Star Wars DVD. In fact the special effects were done by Industrial Light and Magic which was created by George Lucas.
In fact, the special effects were done by WETA Digital, a company set-up and owned by Peter Jackson himself.

But I agree. I don't think any of the Lord of the Rings movies were anything more than slightly over average. Did Lord of the Rings deserve all the Oscar® success it had? No way. But the Academy and I parted ways long, long ago. *cough*A Beautiful Mind*cough*

The story may or may not of had "powerful themes" but they weren't really expanded upon the original text, and again, the filmmakers seem to be rewarded for spending money and pushing techological rather than artistic barriers.

Jackson had armies of thousands on screen fighting battles. Well, I bet every director under the sun wanted "armies of thousands" but didn't have the resources. Should Jackson be rewarded for making his WETA staff work 19 hour days, 7 days a week in order to "make it happen"? Plus, it all got rather boring too by the end of Return of the King didn't it? The thrill had gone through over exposure.

The problem I have with so many films these days is technology is becoming more and more important. In order to be a good director, you need a PhD in IT rather than attending film school.

That said, Jackson created an excellent ensamble cast, and got some good performances from them. He co-wrote a descent script and wasn't afraid to alter the text for the film where it needed.

But I still think films like The Frighteners, Heavenly Creatures and Meet the Feebles show more of the real Jackson than Lord of the Rings (or I fear King Kong) ever will.
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MovieMusicals.net wrote: And Hayden Christiansen is the worst actor I have ever seen. Must EVERY syllable of EVERY word of EVERY sentence be WHINED??? Horrible line deliveries throughout. Awful in every way. He acts with his eyes and nothing else. He makes me want to GAG. HORRIBLE. I can't say it enough. I was SO disappointed with this casting choice - HOW did it happen?? YUCK!
Now this part really bothers me. Because the truth is Hayden Christiansen was not better at his role than Mark Hamill was. I mean in fact he's a good actor. The reason you hate him is because of one thing-DIALOUGE! Yes acting is important, but it the people who write the screenplay that you blame. I mean c'mon! It's not Hayden Christiansen's fault he has a bunch of crap to say.
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Timon/Pumba fan wrote: Meh Peter Jackson's "vision" was inspired by George Lucas. He ever said it on the Star Wars DVD. In fact the special effects were done by Industrial Light and Magic which was created by George Lucas.
In fact, the special effects were done by WETA Digital, a company set-up and owned by Peter Jackson himself.
Sorry! :oops: I thought he used Industrial Light and Magic. When hearing Peter Jackson say great things about Star Wars, you'd think he used Industrial Light and Magic.
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Timon/Pumba fan wrote:
MovieMusicals.net wrote: And Hayden Christiansen is the worst actor I have ever seen. Must EVERY syllable of EVERY word of EVERY sentence be WHINED??? Horrible line deliveries throughout. Awful in every way. He acts with his eyes and nothing else. He makes me want to GAG. HORRIBLE. I can't say it enough. I was SO disappointed with this casting choice - HOW did it happen?? YUCK!
Now this part really bothers me. Because the truth is Hayden Christiansen was not better at his role then Mark Hamill was. I mean in fact he's a good actor. The reason you hate him is because of one thing-DIALOUGE! Yes acting is important, but it the people who write the screenplay that you blame. I mean c'mon! It's not Hayden Christiansen's fault he has a bunch of crap to say.
HAH! First of all it's "than" not "then." (Sorry, I'm picky with grammar).

Secondly, Mark Hamill did a MUCH better job than (notice - "than") Hayden. Hamill was fine. Not great, but he did what the role needed.

Hayden, however, was horrible. No, not just dialogue, but his acting, his facial expressions (must he POUT at every line??), and everything about him. The dialogue was fine. In fact, the dialogue was quite good. It's the story - it's Star Wars.

But everything Hayden did was disasterous.
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Thank you Moviemusicals.net.

There's a reason Hayden Christiansen has been nominated for Razzies for this Star Wars stuff. He's totally unconvincing as Darth Vadar.

Timon/Pumbaa fan - Acting has nothing to do with writing. At top-notch actor can deliver horrible lines of dialouge and still be convincing. Not once did Moviemusicals.net refer to the dialouge. We're talking about the actor. There was no facial expression and when he was supposed to be emotional, he was wooden.

You admit that the script is bad? OK, so I think that settle the Best Picture dispute.

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MovieMusicals.net wrote: HAH! First of all it's "than" not "then." (Sorry, I'm picky with grammar).

Secondly, Mark Hamill did a MUCH better job than (notice - "than") Hayden. Hamill was fine. Not great, but he did what the role needed.

Hayden, however, was horrible. No, not just dialogue, but his acting, his facial expressions (must he POUT at every line??), and everything about him. The dialogue was fine. In fact, the dialogue was quite good. It's the story - it's Star Wars.

But everything Hayden did was disasterous.
Well if you are picky with grammar, then be warned, everybody corrects me! :lol: J/K but I'm usually that way so if you see anymore grammar errors let me know! Thanks.

Anyways back on subject, I really think acting is fine in the prequels. It's the dialouge that bothers me. Alot of times it's just lame. I mean during that scene where Anakin says, "It's all Obi Wan's fault, he's driving me back!" When Hayden read this on the script he just said to himself okay sound frustrated! He was doing he's job. He wasn't tryng to get on everybody's nerves.

As everyone probably knows I'm a HUGE Star Wars fan, but I love the orignals because not only is it ALOT of fun, but alot of it is really clever. For the prequels there so-so. Phantom Menace was awful mainly because you didn't take it seriously. It just pushed the comic relief too far. Now sometimes comic relief is GREAT!(Just look and Timon/Pumbaa and R2D2! :D ) but you don't want it to be you main theme.

Attack of the Clones I found really good an not that bad as everyone said. I too was annoyed by Anikan but like I mentioned earlier it's his dialouge not the acting that I found bad. But the movie had it's moments! There were some good performances!(Like Christopher Lee, Frank Oz and R2D2 :D) And the last battle scene made the film worth it!

But Revenge of the Sith was terrific! The dialouge with Anikan was improved and the story was great(even though a little bit dark for some).
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It's difficult to specifically comment on bad acting - but when something is good - you KNOW what it is.

Acting is so much more than facial expressions and line delivery and looks and emotion. It's a combination of everything - an entire history of a character's life. Acting must be honest and real in order to be good.

Hayden was not honest. He was not real. In a word: horrible.
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MovieMusicals.net wrote: Hayden was not honest. He was not real. In a word: horrible.
So are you saying there aren't angry or annoying people in this world?
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No, that's not what I said. I said he wasn't honest and wasn't real.

When you are acting, you are aa character and not yourself. There are plenty of annoying and angry people in this world (Bush is one ;-) ) but that is not what Daddy Skywalker is supposed to be. Angry, yes, but certainly not whiny and annoying and pouty.
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First year in three that Pixar won't win the Best Animated Feature Oscar! Hope that "Jack-Jack Attack" is shown so it can qualify for the Best Short award, which I'd think it deserves but then what are the odds that many of us will actually get to see all the shorts nominated?

I suspect Narnia will compete for some technical awards and depending on how it turns out, could have an outside shot at Best Picture (the one Disney's never won). Right now, I'd say <i>Madagascar</i> and <i>Howl's</i> are the frontrunners to secure noms for Animated Feature, but there's still a number of other films that could enter the mix, including <i>Valiant</i>, <i>Chicken Little</i>, and the <i>Wallace and Gromit</i> movie.
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While I agree he was too whiney at times, I actually thought it fitted his personality... But then again, what do I know, right? :roll:
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DisneyFan 2000 wrote:While I agree he was too whiney at times, I actually thought it fitted his personality... But then again, what do I know, right? :roll:
I agree.

And I also don't like when people say, "Darth Vader isn't supposed to be annoying" like it's their movie. George Lucas thought it fit Darth Vader so it must be how the story goes. If you plan to make movies then don't hire Hayden, but it's Geoge's movies, not ours so don't attack him just because you don't like what his choices are.
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Personally, I don't think George liked him, either.

When you're signed to one movie, you're contracted. You can always get released and there are rules to break it. I don't know what happened in screen tests and auditions - but I hate the final result.

We don't know if in filming George wasn't happy. Once you get so far in filming, you can't re-cast mid film. And I don't think George would find a new actor to play him in the second movie - would confuse audiences and probably contract attachment.

Regardless of whatever Lucas thinks of Hayden - I say he is horrible. It may be George Lucas' film, but it's not made for HIM - it's made for moviegoers. I, the moviegoer, hate him in the role. And many others do, too.

I am finding that all non-Star Wars fanatics hate him and "Star Wars nerds" defend him. ;-)
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MovieMusicals.net wrote:I am finding that all non-Star Wars fanatics hate him and "Star Wars nerds" defend him. ;-)
Then you better sit dow for what I'm about to reveal to you. I'm no fanatic. I'm just tired of all the Lucas bashing. I saw Episode II yesterday with a friend who has never seen the new trilogy. His first reaction after we finished II was: "OK, it's better than the original trilogy, that's for sure. Especially the acting". Say what you want but fact is some people enjoy these films and the actors.
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Don't get me wrong - I enjoyed all six films and think they are all great.

1) I do not think they are Oscar worthy with the exception of technical awards and Ian in the third film.

2) Despite my enjoyment of the films in general, I did NOT enjoy Hayden, as we all know by now.

3) I disagree that Episode 2 was better than the original three. However, of the newest three films, I would say Episode 2 is the better of them.
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MovieMusicals.net wrote:1) I do not think they are Oscar worthy with the exception of technical awards and Ian in the third film.
I agree.
MovieMusicals.net wrote:2) Despite my enjoyment of the films in general, I did NOT enjoy Hayden, as we all know by now.
Well, to each his own I guess. I liked him, you didn't. That's fine. :)
MovieMusicals.net wrote:3) I disagree that Episode 2 was better than the original three. However, of the newest three films, I would say Episode 2 is the better of them.
Again, it all comes down to personal tastes.
And I'm sorry if I came off aggressive. I just can't stop hearing all these complaints, and frankly I've had enough of it. Sorry if I made the wrong impression! :eye:
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Precisely - it's both ways. I'm tired of "Star Wars nerds" (for lack of a better term) always defending it and complaining that it hasn't gotten Best Picture.

And now there has been a lot of "this is it! the last film! the Academy HAS to give it to them! it's the best movie ever!!"

It's almost as annoying as Hayden. ;-) :lol:
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Your right MovieMusicals.net. We don't know what Lucas thought of him. For all we know I could be standing up to him just to find out Lucas dosen't like him. But I think that saying that Darth Vader wouldn't be whiny is not the case. I mean Anikan is a teenager in Clones and that's what teenagers do they whine! So all I'm really saying is you don't think he's playing the part right, but I thought he was fine. It just goes to show we all have different opinions! And that we shouldn't be at other's throats just because of it. Let's just end it at that.

But I think it should get nominated for Best Picture because people say that the reason Return of the King won so many was because it was an end to an "incredible cinema achievement"! But this is the end of a bigger ,and IMO, a better achievement. But yet I sadly don't think it'll happen! But if it won't happen to Star Wars why did it happen to Lord of the Rings?
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Timon/Pumba fan wrote:Your right MovieMusicals.net. We don't know what Lucas thought of him. For all we know I could be standing up to him just to find out Lucas dosen't like him. But I think that saying that Darth Vader wouldn't be whiny is not the case. I mean Anikan is a teenager in Clones and that's what teenagers do they whine! So all I'm really saying is you don't think he's playing the part right, but I thought he was fine. It just goes to show we all have different opinions! And that we shouldn't be at other's throats just because of it. Let's just end it at that.

But I think it should get nominated for Best Picture because people say that the reason Return of the King won so many was because it was an end to an "incredible cinema achievement"! But this is the end of a bigger ,and IMO, a better achievement. But yet I sadly don't think it'll happen! But if it won't happen to Star Wars why did it happen to Lord of the Rings?
I think you have the whole character of Darth Vadar wrong. A person who is supposed to be pure evil (but turns out to be not-so evil) doesn't start out as whiny. It's pure anger. The character of young Darth Vadar came off as whiny because Hayden portrayed him that way in a very bad performance. He simply did not understand the character, and like Moviemusicals.net has already said, George was stuck with him.

The Return of the King was the end to a great trilogy, while Star Wars: Episode III is just a mediocre one. This was by no means a bigger achievement, and it's your opinion that it's better. I'm just breathing a huge sigh of relief that the Academy, critics, people who view film as art have a different one. :wink:
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I've gotta chime in with strong disagreements here.

I just rewatched Return Of The King for the first time since I'd seen it theatrically last night and I've got to say it was easily the least enjoyable of the trilogy.

The formula of impossible fight scenes, senselss struggling over the ring, and homo-erotic interactions between hobbits became very tiring.

And one doesn't need to read the book in order to know that some shit just DOESN'T belong. Like when Sam lugged Frodo up the volcano on his back and then when they get near the top Frodo "awakes" and reveals that he was just feigning his exhaustion. Then he jumped off Sams back and says, "Ha haaa...you just got PUNKED" before dashing off to the top.

okay maybe not.

But it was a sappy dissapointment.

Plus it ended like 17 times.. I kept standing up to turn on the lights as the hammy orchestral score lifted with the cliched epic panoramic camera pans accross the map and than bam! dancing hobbits and fireworks and than again slowly fade out as I get off my couch and pick up the remote and bam again! back to overdramatic awkward male bonding with frodo and rudy gazing into each others eyes for 5 minutes and there was like fourteen more trick endings, it kept going...

I dont know if they got a little slaphappy with their unecessary editing shenanigans for the extended edition or if thats how the theatrical version was strung together but it was one of the most ridiculous self-parodying finales to any movie Ive sat through.

I dont know I think it's like an unwritten law that final installments in blockbuster movie trilogies are prone to suck or something...
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