Buying Online (Fantasia Antology)

[Porce]

1) Quality of the Fantasia transfer - Disney actually address this with paper slip in the box.

Some of the interstisial dialogue has been redubbed because it was lost, and Disney decided to rerecord the whole voice track rather than have it constantly change throughout the feature when the newly recorded voice was used. Would you rather of had the original voice and subtitles over mute footage?

The dialouge was not lost. It was a quality issue. Personally, I would prefer the original instead of a redub. If the audio quality for the interstitials is bad, then so be it! At least we would have the original. As for my original comment, I was compalining about the video quality; it could have been better.

2) The Uncut Original Version - this is a tricky one. I guess legally Disney can make this claim. The "Uncut and Original" in that the claim refers to the fact that this is the original "Roadshow" version of the feature, reconstructed as closely as possible. Also the 'cuts' in the feature are not cuts as such (the runtime is the same as the original) they're techincally 're-edits'.

I don't understand. Are you actually trying to defend such misleading and poorly-done censorship? Since when was the zooming authorized by Walt Disney? He authorized for intersticials and evern some segments to be deleted, but when did he authorize zooming in on the picture to avoid a black character?

3) Fantasia 2000 Disc Supplements - How can anyone say that the only thing worth having on the Fantasia 2000 disc are the animated shorts? It has a wonderful (completely fluff-less) 50+ minute documentary on the making of the film. This is the sort of supplement that should be appearing on the new Platinum and 2 disc releases rather than the fragmented segments they include now. In my mind the set would be worth buying without the third disc, just for the excellent documentaries.

I hated that documentary. It started off interesting, with background information on the original plan for Fantasia's re-releases. It became a documentary that made me feel like I was being boasted to. "Look at us, we created this sequel, it is so awesome, we put so much care into it." I disagreed with so many things said in this documentary, especially what Roy Disney said on the first segment. He said something similar to, "I'm sure glad that the composer isn't here to stop us from messing around with his music." This is the kind of thing that makes Fantasia 2000 an insult to any classical music fan.

4) Repetition of Supplements - True, but not everyone has the treasures sets... and no one had them at the time of Fantasia's release. So perhaps the complaint should be made about the Disney Treasures releases rather then Fantasia. Plus, I'd rather have supplements repeat of different discs (sets even) rather then the lazy supplemental repetition on Disney's new discs like Beauty and the Beast and Treasure Planet which seems to be Disney's new trend (making it look like each disc contains more than it does).

On the third disc, most little two-minute featurettes were just a repitition of footage from the documentary! For Fantasia 2000 they used more new footage.

5) Bias towards Fantasia 2000 - What are you crazy? Firstly Fantasia gets an absolutely stunning Walt Disney commentary. How many releases can claim that? It's an incredible achivement - finding all that content and running it over a whole 2 hours + movie and never letting the listerner's interest wane. The research that went into that alone must have been enormous. Secondly lets examine the third disc - each segment gets it's own great section, including an alternative treatment for Toccata and Fugue In D Minor. On top of this there are lots of treatments for additional segments for Fantasia when the original idea of updating the feature each year was still being pursued. And of course, there's all the posters and trailers. None of these were handed to the content producers on a silver plate like one assumes the Fantasia 2000 supplements were - they had to go out and research them. And have you even considered that perhaps, just perhaps, in 1940 hardly anything was filmed about the prodction of the film? Those Disneyland supplements are more than likely all that exist when looking for any vaguely appropriate 'behind the scenes' footage even though they were filmed much later.

Gee, I'm crazy because there is an obvious bias on Fantasia 2000. Let's take a look at the supplements, disc by disc.

DISC ONE: FANTASIA
-Audio commentary by Roy Disney, James Levine, Jone Canemaker, and Scott MacQueen: Boring
-Audio commentary by Walt Disney
-"The Making of Fantasia"

3 features.

DISC TWO: FANTASIA 2000
-Audio commentary (same as above)
-Audio commentary by artists and workers
-"The Making of Fantasia 2000"
-Shorts "Melody" and "Toot, Whistle, Plunk, and Boom" (in Widescreen!)
-Roy Disney introduction
-Showcase program (most useless special feature ever on a Disney Collector's Edition)

6 features.

DISC THREE
For Fantasia...
-Each segment has repeated footage from documentary and occasionally some new footage to make a 2-4 minute featurette
-Four DISNEYLAND excerpts (all of which can be seen in entirety with rest of program on BEHIND THE SCENES disc)
-Galleres: Visual development, production photos, character design
-Unused rough animation for "Dance of the Hours"
-Alternate concept for "Toccata And Fugue in D Minor"
-Deleted rough animation from "The Sorceror's Apprentice" (on upcoming MICKEY Treasure)
-Story reel for "Sorceror's Apprentice"
-Every segment has a text "About the Music"
-"The Fantasia That Never Was" introduction (some re-used footage from documentary on disc 1)
-"Clair De Lune," "The Ride of the Valkries," "The Swan of Tuonela," "Invitation to the Dance," "Adventures in a Preambulator," and other deleted segments (most are in storyboard form)
-"The Special Effects of Fantasia"
-Publicity (trailers, original roadshow program)
-Biographies (text)

Fantasia 2000...
-Every segment gets a "creating the segment" introduction
-Design, proof of concept tests, early concept reels, visual development, abandoned contents, and a WHOLE bunch of other stuff for every segment that I don't feel like typing up
-Orchestra Demonstration
-Biographies (text)
-Trailers/TV Spots

The Fantasia 2000 segments are obviously much more substantial for such a lesser movie.

STASHONE, if you absolutely have to buy it, make sure you buy it discounted. There ARE good features on here, but certainly not worth above $40 or $50.

[2099net]

1) Quality of the Fantasia transfer - Disney actually address this with paper slip in the box.

Some of the interstisial dialogue has been redubbed because it was lost, and Disney decided to rerecord the whole voice track rather than have it constantly change throughout the feature when the newly recorded voice was used. Would you rather of had the original voice and subtitles over mute footage?

The dialouge was not lost. It was a quality issue. Personally, I would prefer the original instead of a redub. If the audio quality for the interstitials is bad, then so be it! At least we would have the original. As for my original comment, I was compalining about the video quality; it could have been better.

2) The Uncut Original Version - this is a tricky one. I guess legally Disney can make this claim. The "Uncut and Original" in that the claim refers to the fact that this is the original "Roadshow" version of the feature, reconstructed as closely as possible. Also the 'cuts' in the feature are not cuts as such (the runtime is the same as the original) they're techincally 're-edits'.

I don't understand. Are you actually trying to defend such misleading and poorly-done censorship? Since when was the zooming authorized by Walt Disney? He authorized for intersticials and evern some segments to be deleted, but when did he authorize zooming in on the picture to avoid a black character?

I'm not trying to defend it. Just putting it more into context. And I belive it was edited on one of the later releases.

3) Fantasia 2000 Disc Supplements - How can anyone say that the only thing worth having on the Fantasia 2000 disc are the animated shorts? It has a wonderful (completely fluff-less) 50+ minute documentary on the making of the film. This is the sort of supplement that should be appearing on the new Platinum and 2 disc releases rather than the fragmented segments they include now. In my mind the set would be worth buying without the third disc, just for the excellent documentaries.

I hated that documentary. It started off interesting, with background information on the original plan for Fantasia's re-releases. It became a documentary that made me feel like I was being boasted to. "Look at us, we created this sequel, it is so awesome, we put so much care into it." I disagreed with so many things said in this documentary, especially what Roy Disney said on the first segment. He said something similar to, "I'm sure glad that the composer isn't here to stop us from messing around with his music." This is the kind of thing that makes Fantasia 2000 an insult to any classical music fan.

But didn't they change the music in the original? I seem to remember something about Stravinsky complaining about "The Rite of Spring" sequence.

4) Repetition of Supplements - True, but not everyone has the treasures sets... and no one had them at the time of Fantasia's release. So perhaps the complaint should be made about the Disney Treasures releases rather then Fantasia. Plus, I'd rather have supplements repeat of different discs (sets even) rather then the lazy supplemental repetition on Disney's new discs like Beauty and the Beast and Treasure Planet which seems to be Disney's new trend (making it look like each disc contains more than it does).

On the third disc, most little two-minute featurettes were just a repitition of footage from the documentary! For Fantasia 2000 they used more new footage.

5) Bias towards Fantasia 2000 - What are you crazy? Firstly Fantasia gets an absolutely stunning Walt Disney commentary. How many releases can claim that? It's an incredible achivement - finding all that content and running it over a whole 2 hours + movie and never letting the listerner's interest wane. The research that went into that alone must have been enormous. Secondly lets examine the third disc - each segment gets it's own great section, including an alternative treatment for Toccata and Fugue In D Minor. On top of this there are lots of treatments for additional segments for Fantasia when the original idea of updating the feature each year was still being pursued. And of course, there's all the posters and trailers. None of these were handed to the content producers on a silver plate like one assumes the Fantasia 2000 supplements were - they had to go out and research them. And have you even considered that perhaps, just perhaps, in 1940 hardly anything was filmed about the prodction of the film? Those Disneyland supplements are more than likely all that exist when looking for any vaguely appropriate 'behind the scenes' footage even though they were filmed much later.

Gee, I'm crazy because there is an obvious bias on Fantasia 2000. Let's take a look at the supplements, disc by disc.

DISC ONE: FANTASIA
-Audio commentary by Roy Disney, James Levine, Jone Canemaker, and Scott MacQueen: Boring
-Audio commentary by Walt Disney
-"The Making of Fantasia"

3 features.

DISC TWO: FANTASIA 2000
-Audio commentary (same as above)
-Audio commentary by artists and workers
-"The Making of Fantasia 2000"
-Shorts "Melody" and "Toot, Whistle, Plunk, and Boom" (in Widescreen!)
-Roy Disney introduction
-Showcase program (most useless special feature ever on a Disney Collector's Edition)

6 features.

Of which 2 are fluff and the shots are arguably on Fantasia 2000 as the movie itself isn't as long, so there's more room on the disc.

DISC THREE
For Fantasia...
-Each segment has repeated footage from documentary and occasionally some new footage to make a 2-4 minute featurette
-Four DISNEYLAND excerpts (all of which can be seen in entirety with rest of program on BEHIND THE SCENES disc)
-Galleres: Visual development, production photos, character design
-Unused rough animation for "Dance of the Hours"
-Alternate concept for "Toccata And Fugue in D Minor"
-Deleted rough animation from "The Sorceror's Apprentice" (on upcoming MICKEY Treasure)
-Story reel for "Sorceror's Apprentice"
-Every segment has a text "About the Music"
-"The Fantasia That Never Was" introduction (some re-used footage from documentary on disc 1)
-"Clair De Lune," "The Ride of the Valkries," "The Swan of Tuonela," "Invitation to the Dance," "Adventures in a Preambulator," and other deleted segments (most are in storyboard form)
-"The Special Effects of Fantasia"
-Publicity (trailers, original roadshow program)
-Biographies (text)

Fantasia 2000...
-Every segment gets a "creating the segment" introduction
-Design, proof of concept tests, early concept reels, visual development, abandoned contents, and a WHOLE bunch of other stuff for every segment that I don't feel like typing up
-Orchestra Demonstration
-Biographies (text)
-Trailers/TV Spots

The Fantasia 2000 segments are obviously much more substantial for such a lesser movie.

STASHONE, if you absolutely have to buy it, make sure you buy it discounted. There ARE good features on here, but certainly not worth above $40 or $50.

Yes, but as I've said, there's less stuff available for Fantasia. Disney can't just pull material 60+ years old out of the air. All of the Fantasia stuff had to be researched and dug out of the Disney archives, while the Fantasia 2000 stuff would have been kept and put aside during it's creation specifically for the DVD. Quantity does not equal Quality. Nor does quantity equal time invested. The 'other' non-segment feaures on Fantasia are more substantial than the 'other' non-segment features on Fantasia 2000 for example.

[MickeyMouseboy]

In other words Toy Box is a equivalent to a 1 Disc Set spread over 3 Discs. While Fantasia is more like Collector's Box Set each disc has it's own individual materials.

That's a big 1 disc. DVD-27?

I meant 1-disc toy story and 1 disc toy story 2

[Luke]

That's a big 1 disc. DVD-27?

I meant 1-disc toy story and 1 disc toy story 2

Still, that'd be like 3 hours of video extras for each movie, plus the commentaries.

[MickeyMouseboy]

hey if 3 movies, audio commentaries and game went into B&B dvd, how much more can this 1 disc set carry? only half of disc 3 is toy story one while the other half is toy story 2.

[Ric-Mx]

anyway...

do you know any good online options for getting it???
(and they should handle int'l orders)

I'll aprecciate it very much
thankx

[Luke]

anyway...

do you know any good online options for getting it???
(and they should handle int'l orders)

I'll aprecciate it very much
thankx

Amazon is most reliable, and they ship worldwide. You can get a new copy from Marketplace sellers for around $40-$50. Not all of the Marketplace sellers will ship internationally, though.

Here is the site link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... eimprovemz