Disney Debates: Old or new Disney movies?

Isidour · Post by **Isidour** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:41 pm

Timon/Pumba fan wrote: CEO during the 70's I think. Surprisingly he was worse than Eiser!

Now I wonder why they choose Eisner

Timon/Pumbaa fan · Post by **Timon/Pumbaa fan** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:45 pm

Isidour wrote:
Timon/Pumba fan wrote: CEO during the 70's I think. Surprisingly he was worse than Eiser!
Now I wonder why they choose Eisner

I hope I'm right about him being a CEO thing. But it seems hard to believe just before Eisney came CEO, they were going to close the animation studio! It was saved however when Micheal, Frank and Jeffery came. It still is hard to believe that the same man who saved animation, destroyed animation!

RJKD23 · Post by **RJKD23** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:38 am

My opinion..

is that the animated movies are becoming different and adapting to the century. I'm sure "modern" people appreciate them more than Disney fans who appreciated the classics! I mean, I know some people who actually get BORED watching Snow White and Cinderella and prefer The Incredibles and Monsters Inc.

I think people prefer CGI over 2D. and it's a shame on some parts especially when they prefer Dreamworks CGI over Disney Classics.

As for live action movies, I think Disney didn't have much of a change.
True, they've remade many movies...

, but it's all for the audience appeal. National Treasure, however, was one hell of a great movie (IMO)!

So here:

I prefer some older Disney animated movies.

I prefer some newer Disney action movies.

(And if I absolutely made no sense..it's early in the morning and I'm wide awake, but my brain's not functioning well!!

)

Celtic · Post by **Celtic** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:31 am

For me the older movies do it best. The animation, detail and music were just magical and I don't think thats changed at all over the years. The music brought those movies alive and they still do for me.

I'm not completely anti-new-Disney animations though. I love B&TB & TLK but they fall into the fantastic music group for me. I find that the films I like the least (Atlantis for one) have very little or no music. And I think that makes a huge difference.

I can see that the newer animations appeal to a wider audience but I can't understand anyone who doesn't see the magic in Snow White /Bambi or Pinocchio!!!

ichabod · Post by **ichabod** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:08 am

Well, I don't and never have separated the classics into time periods. Even when I was little and I had my Snow White VHS and Beauty and the Beast lined up next to each other on the shelf, I never used to think, "Oh this is old and this is new", I just saw them for what they are, great Disney films. Obviously films are a product of the era in which they are made and as tastes change movies change too.

I tend not to judge films by the decades they are from and if i was to rank all the classics in the order that i like them there would be no real clumps of decades all together, it would be a mixture.

I have to say that my favourite Disney decade is the 2000s! Probably a mad choice in some people's opinions, but I have not just liked, but loved all of the films from the 2000s and I can't say that about any other decade.

I sometimes feel like screaming when general audiences say that we need another type of film. For example, people were whinging saying that a "classic" film should be made, not a mad comedy with worn out Shrekky jokes, "Brother Bear" and "Treasure Planet" both fit into this category, but in stead of been heralded as "oh, a film that actually relies on plot", instead the CGI comedy dross still won out.

Also people say "we need another "alice in Wonderland"/"The Aristocats"/"The Jungle Book"", and yet it baffles me how the majority of people are blind to the fact that "Home on the Range" fits perfectly with that genre of film! Apart from the odd modern reference/joke here and there, Home on the Range could easily have come from the 50s/60s!

I have said it like a thousand times before, but here we go again... Audiences today have no taste. As long as studios keep making "are we there yet/oh look he's wearing women's underwear/duh duh/voice actors more important than film or characters/wise cracking comedian sidekick films, then people will go to see them. The very fact that Shark Tale has done so well if concrete proof, it's worse that Gigli/SpiceWorld/Glitter in my opinion it is horrific! And what's more than animation is not even on par with other CGI films of the minute, it was blocky and unimpressive so the fact is at this moment in time if it is CGI people will watch it, and even though I hate the fact the Disney 2D studios were closed down and it is the last thing on earth I would ever want to happen, I have to agree with the decision made by Eisner and the Disney Board. At least for the time being they should at least go with the flow.

However an important story is the most important thing, and from the looks of Disney's upcoming films, Chicken Little, Rapunzel, A Day with Wilbur Robinson and American Dog, it certainly looks as though while other studios are carrying on with the comedies, Disney should hopefully have a bit of substance!

Timon/Pumbaa fan · Post by **Timon/Pumbaa fan** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:03 am

RJKD23 wrote: I think people prefer CGI over 2D. and it's a shame on some parts especially when they prefer Dreamworks CGI over Disney Classics.

As for live action movies, I think Disney didn't have much of a change.
True, they've remade many movies..., but it's all for the audience appeal. National Treasure, however, was one hell of a great movie (IMO)!

People's IQ's are getting lower if they can like a film like SharkTale better than Snow White, Pinocchio, Bambi and so on.

As for live-action movies I've really liked there live-action films. Aside from crap like Country Bears

or The Haunted Mansion

I've really liked recent live-action films like: Freaky Friday, Pirates of the Carribean, National Treasure, The Pacifier, Miracle, Remember the Titans and so on. And I'm looking forward to films like Herbie: Full Loaded

and The Chronicles of Narnia

.

castleinthesky · Post by **castleinthesky** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:03 am

I would have to say The Black Cauldron was the beginning of the Renaissance. There are two reasons I say this. The first is that many of the animators that worked on it later worked on The Lilttle Mermaid an others. The second is that it was the first animated movie to use CGI graphics which became mainstays in all the Disney movies to follow.

I also believe there can be 3rd era which is when the Disney animated movies decline. It started with The Emperor's New Groove. It may actually become an are if Chicken Little, Rapunzel, etc perform poorly and are badly done.

Miss Jo · Post by **Miss Jo** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:55 pm

My absolute favourite movies are the Fab Four from the early 90's. Just about every Disney movie that came before those were fantastic too, though.
I don't think Disney has made a single really good animated movie since 1996 or 1997. I don't care for any new Disney movies these days, not even Mulan or Lilo and Stitch (they're pleasant, yes, but way overrated). Ever since Disney stopped making movies where the characters spontaneously break out into beautiful Broadway-style songs, and started making ones that only had comedy or celebrity voices to recommend them (Emperor's New Groove), or just had weird plots (Lilo and Stitch), they stopped making good movies. I can't believe the same company who made Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King, is the same one who made Home on the Range and the painfully funny (not a good thing) Emperor's New Groove. One of these pairs of movies is infinitely superior, and it's not the latter. Disney is definitely in a Dark Age right now.

banjoboy · Post by **banjoboy** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:51 am

Being REALLY old myself and having watched most Disney animated features many times (the only exception being Winnie The Pooh, which sort of disgusts me), I'd like to say this: The problem is not that the Disney concept changes over time. Walt was all for that. In fact, it might be said that trying new things was Walt's guiding principle. Therefore, I truly enjoy and applaud newer movies like The Emperor's New Groove or Atlantis (which I found excellent, BTW) as ventures into new territory.
The real problem is that the Disney company have lowered their standards so much. The cheapquels, the spin-offs, the remakes, tend to deflate the once great tradition - not because they are new, but because they are poorly, unintelligently and cynically made. And beacause Disney still turn out gems once in a while (Pirates and all the Pixar movies are fantastic even compared to milestones like Snow White or Peter Pan), the cheaper fare stands out even more glaringly in comparison.

bradhig · Post by **bradhig** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:13 am

The newer movies deal with heroines who don't wear much clothing and now on a lot of merchidise Aurora's dress is paintied low like Belle's

PinkMermaid216 · Post by **PinkMermaid216** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:29 pm

I much perfer the older movies to the new ones. While I love the "Fab Four", the older movies are classics that seem to get better with age. Their themes and messages are enchanting and timeless. The songs are great and the characters are loveable. These are movies that will never grow old and will be enjoyed by generations of children.

Noriel · Post by **Noriel** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:40 pm

I am split down the middle. I thouroughly (SP?) enjoy the older movies. It brings back memories of being a kid. I love the stories of The Sword in the Stone, Bambi, Sleeping Beauty, Robin Hood, etc. However, I also do enjoy the newer movies the Disney co. has made. I love The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, The Emperor's New Groove, Tarzan, Beauty and the Beast, etc. The Disney/Pixar movies were great fun! But now I'm sad to say the movies aren't as interesting as before. A lot have the same plot points (changing from one form to another, finding true love, coming to accept who you are, etc). I'm not saying these aren't enjoyable because most of them are. I just don't like the new movies as much as I enjoy others.

I love the 1980 films. Oliver and Company, The Great Mouse Detective, The Black Cauldron... each film is different than what Disney used to be about. I heard The Great Mouse Detective was the first Disney movie to include CGI. (And I barely noticed the effects!) Each movie has its charm, but I feel the "magic" behind the movies has a different terminology today than what it did 50 years ago.

Siren · Post by **Siren** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:28 pm

The clockworks were CGI. And I think at some points with the hot air balloon. Been many moons since I've seen that one

castleinthesky · Post by **castleinthesky** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:32 pm

Noriel wrote:I heard The Great Mouse Detective was the first Disney movie to include CGI. (And I barely noticed the effects!)

Actually The Black Cauldron was the first to inculde CGI, even though you can barely see it.

Wonderlicious · Post by **Wonderlicious** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:53 pm

castleinthesky wrote:
Noriel wrote:I heard The Great Mouse Detective was the first Disney movie to include CGI. (And I barely noticed the effects!)
Actually The Black Cauldron was the first to inculde CGI, even though you can barely see it.

Where be that?

minds_dream · Post by **minds_dream** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:29 pm

I could've sworn, even as semi-ancient as I am (42), that peter and the wolf was a disney production. I'm REAL new to this site, and have not found any info on this animation. Although my disney dvd "addiction" just grabbed me by the behind, I'm slowly adding some of the real classic's. Ya know...In with the old, and in with some of the new. Having just begun browsing around here. This site will be visited religiously. For now, I guess my fun here is defintiely a new beginning (oh my, there goes the wallet).

RJKD23 · Post by **RJKD23** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:53 pm

minds_dream wrote:I could've sworn, even as semi-ancient as I am (42), that peter and the wolf was a disney production. I'm REAL new to this site, and have not found any info on this animation. Although my disney dvd "addiction" just grabbed me by the behind, I'm slowly adding some of the real classic's. Ya know...In with the old, and in with some of the new. Having just begun browsing around here. This site will be visited religiously. For now, I guess my fun here is defintiely a new beginning (oh my, there goes the wallet).

Welcome to UD, minds_dream!

Just a warning... you will be REALLY addicted to this site!

But the people here are fun, the topics are interesting, and hey, if you're a Disney fan..you're definitely in the right place regardless of age!

MickeyMousePal · Post by **MickeyMousePal** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:05 pm

Welcome to UD, minds_dream!

Wonderlicious · Post by **Wonderlicious** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:02 am

minds_dream wrote:I could've sworn, even as semi-ancient as I am (42), that peter and the wolf was a disney production.

If you're talking about the cartoon set to the original music, then Peter is a Disney production; it's a 10 minute section of the 1946 animated anthology Make Mine Music.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 89-5252935

castleinthesky · Post by **castleinthesky** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:49 pm

Wonderlicious wrote:
castleinthesky wrote: Actually The Black Cauldron was the first to inculde CGI, even though you can barely see it.
Where be that?

I don't really remember.

But many websites say it was the first to have CGI.

Like from Magicalears.com :

The Black Cauldron (1985)

The Black Cauldron was the first ever film in which computers were used to assist in the animation process. In The Black Cauldron, Computers made inroads in the manipulation of solid inanimate objects on the screen. The dimensions and volume of objects were fed into a computer and their movement was generated by programming. Also, Disney's venerable multiplane cameras were updated with computers to expedite and control aperture settings and time exposures.

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