WORST Disney movie ever made...
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Personally, I like Snow White and the animation in Pinocchio is great. I loved the movie version of The Little Mermaid before I read the story by Hans Christian Andersen and when I did read the story I didn't like it because it was a tragedy. When I was younger, and even now, I wasn't really into tragedies. I liked happy endings even if they were cliches (though I didn't know what cliches were).
And that's fine with me. I allow others to have their opinions without judgement on what kind of person they are. I like the drama and tragedy. I certainly understand why some rather a happy ending.
The other drama of the original Little Mermaid I liked was part of the spell. When she walked, it would feel like she was walking on broken glass. So she always stepped lightly. It's touches like that that draw me to the stories.
The other drama of the original Little Mermaid I liked was part of the spell. When she walked, it would feel like she was walking on broken glass. So she always stepped lightly. It's touches like that that draw me to the stories.
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Not in my opinion. It never knew what movie it wanted to be. There's something inherently disturbing about a movie set during the Inquisition that features singing Gargoyles.Dan05 wrote:Was it really that bad? I don't think it's Disney's greatest film but I do think it's a good movie.Timon/Pumba fan wrote:I just saw Hunchback of Notre Dame and I think it can go with Disney's worst! What was Disney thinking!
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More disturbing than a Princess who runs away and shacks up with 7 small old men?Raydawggie wrote:Not in my opinion. It never knew what movie it wanted to be. There's something inherently disturbing about a movie set during the Inquisition that features singing Gargoyles.
Or a girl who is locked up a tower by her stepmother who goes so crackers she thinks the miceare talking to her!?
Or a woman who's a cross dresser,who claims it is only "in order to save her father"!?
Or a wooden puppet who is turned human by a fairy for the pleasure of an old man?
Or more disturbing than a half woman/half fish freak who turns human in order to lure the man she lusts after into believing she is a real human?
There is definitely something fishy (OK worst pun ever take my most amusing posts award away from me now
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Ariel is not a freak! No more awards for you, you naughty Disney fan.ichabod wrote:Or more disturbing than a half woman/half fish freak who turns human in order to lure the man she lusts after into believing she is a real human?
There is definitely something fishy (OK worst pun ever take my most amusing posts award away from me now
Oh, and to add some more substance to this thread, I forgot to mention that I'm not too hot on The Aristocats in my first post. I think the story is okay, but the animation is abysmal abysmal abysmal.
Actually, one thing that always bothered me about the Little Mermaid was how she was being raised.
Teenage daughter misses her big recital.
She gets a stern talking to and flits away.
She goes to a place that is forbidden by her father (the surface)
She has been hiding human things from her father for years. Also forbidden.
Her father finds the stuff and destroys everything and leaves her there. (instead of dragging her home by the fins and grounding her)
She runs away with "the bad crowd" (First Ursula and her eels, then the humans)
Her father can keep her from ever being with the humans again, because she's a mermaid again.
But instead, he gives her legs and lets her move in with them
Lesson learned today kids......Disobey your parents and you'll get your way eventually
Teenage daughter misses her big recital.
She gets a stern talking to and flits away.
She goes to a place that is forbidden by her father (the surface)
She has been hiding human things from her father for years. Also forbidden.
Her father finds the stuff and destroys everything and leaves her there. (instead of dragging her home by the fins and grounding her)
She runs away with "the bad crowd" (First Ursula and her eels, then the humans)
Her father can keep her from ever being with the humans again, because she's a mermaid again.
But instead, he gives her legs and lets her move in with them
Lesson learned today kids......Disobey your parents and you'll get your way eventually
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In my opinion it was. It just wasn't a good kids films. The kids would either be bored or scared of this movie. While some of the older audience will like it, I just didn't like it! The songs were dull(and I'm a huge Alan Meken fan) and the Gargoyles were not very funny. Plus the story just didn't intrest me. Though the action sequences were cool!Dan05 wrote:Was it really that bad? I don't think it's Disney's greatest film but I do think it's a good movie.Timon/Pumba fan wrote:I just saw Hunchback of Notre Dame and I think it can go with Disney's worst! What was Disney thinking!
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To get back to the Little Mermaid. . .
The Disney version differs quite a bit from the original telling, and understandably so.
The original is about a quest for an eternal soul and displays the power of sacrifice. The Disney version is more about gaining independence and, dare I say, sexual awakening.
The mermaids in the original story have no souls, and it was said that the only way to gain one was to marry a human and have his soul merge with your body (or something along that line). When an ordinary mermaid dies, she supposedly becomes nothing more than foam on the sea.
Depending on the version you read, the mermaid either has her voice stolen or her tongue cut out in exchange for a pair of legs. And since she was never meant to have legs to walk on, she would forever feel as if she was walking on broken glass or sharp needles.
Turning to the sea witch to make her human was the only way she could find that forbidden love of the prince she had saved and fell in love with; unfortunately, once she is human she cannot speak and he finds someone else to fall in love with (and she's an ordinary human, not the sea witch in disguise). They get married.
Having lost her chance for an eternal soul, her sisters go to the witch to make a new deal; they all cut off their hair in exchange for a magic knife. They give this to their sister on the wedding ship and instruct her to kill the prince and let his blood splash on her feet. That was supposed to be the only way to turn back into a mermaid. She'd still have no soul, but at least she could return home. But when the little mermaid looked in on the happy couple fast asleep on their wedding night, she couldn't bring herself to do it.
She dives off the edge of the boat knowing that she will drown and turn into foam on the sea. However, the angels come and she ascends to heaven. When she asks why, the angels explain that she gained an eternal soul through her selfless sacrifice.
What's significant to me about the Disney version is that Ariel is given a relationship with her father. I don't think it was so much about disobeying one's parents, but more about an overprotective father trying to deal with his youngest daughter that very much wants to grow up. He does everything he feels he should to protect her from herself and those untrustworthy humans, but finally realizes that in the end and that she is indeed capable of finding happiness through making her own decisions. And what's bittersweet about it is that she leaves her family and childhood behind to start a new life as an adult, in a similar way that we all have to when we move out of our parent's house and out on our own. And that's why I love it.
But hey, that's just my take on it.
The Disney version differs quite a bit from the original telling, and understandably so.
The original is about a quest for an eternal soul and displays the power of sacrifice. The Disney version is more about gaining independence and, dare I say, sexual awakening.
The mermaids in the original story have no souls, and it was said that the only way to gain one was to marry a human and have his soul merge with your body (or something along that line). When an ordinary mermaid dies, she supposedly becomes nothing more than foam on the sea.
Depending on the version you read, the mermaid either has her voice stolen or her tongue cut out in exchange for a pair of legs. And since she was never meant to have legs to walk on, she would forever feel as if she was walking on broken glass or sharp needles.
Turning to the sea witch to make her human was the only way she could find that forbidden love of the prince she had saved and fell in love with; unfortunately, once she is human she cannot speak and he finds someone else to fall in love with (and she's an ordinary human, not the sea witch in disguise). They get married.
Having lost her chance for an eternal soul, her sisters go to the witch to make a new deal; they all cut off their hair in exchange for a magic knife. They give this to their sister on the wedding ship and instruct her to kill the prince and let his blood splash on her feet. That was supposed to be the only way to turn back into a mermaid. She'd still have no soul, but at least she could return home. But when the little mermaid looked in on the happy couple fast asleep on their wedding night, she couldn't bring herself to do it.
She dives off the edge of the boat knowing that she will drown and turn into foam on the sea. However, the angels come and she ascends to heaven. When she asks why, the angels explain that she gained an eternal soul through her selfless sacrifice.
What's significant to me about the Disney version is that Ariel is given a relationship with her father. I don't think it was so much about disobeying one's parents, but more about an overprotective father trying to deal with his youngest daughter that very much wants to grow up. He does everything he feels he should to protect her from herself and those untrustworthy humans, but finally realizes that in the end and that she is indeed capable of finding happiness through making her own decisions. And what's bittersweet about it is that she leaves her family and childhood behind to start a new life as an adult, in a similar way that we all have to when we move out of our parent's house and out on our own. And that's why I love it.
But hey, that's just my take on it.
Also in the original, there was a grandmother of the mermaids who played a bigger part then the father. She was the one who told them the story of the first time she went to surface. And they turn 15, they are allowed to go to the surface to look around. That was how the Little Mermaid saw the prince in the first place.
Japan had a more true adaptation years ago. They dare to go the extra mile and be different. They choose to take animation from childish, slapstick, happy ending story and instead go for drama and realisim. In the end, storywise, they are more respected in that way. When Disney goes for drama, such as Hunchback, they get a backlash. Too violent. Too sexual. Not kid-friendly. I was happy to see Disney move away was so-sweet-your-teeth-stick-together movies. While movies like Princess Mononoke are hailed as masterpieces. I wish Disney would open another animation studio to create more adult stories and animation.
Japan had a more true adaptation years ago. They dare to go the extra mile and be different. They choose to take animation from childish, slapstick, happy ending story and instead go for drama and realisim. In the end, storywise, they are more respected in that way. When Disney goes for drama, such as Hunchback, they get a backlash. Too violent. Too sexual. Not kid-friendly. I was happy to see Disney move away was so-sweet-your-teeth-stick-together movies. While movies like Princess Mononoke are hailed as masterpieces. I wish Disney would open another animation studio to create more adult stories and animation.
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Siren wrote:Actually, one thing that always bothered me about the Little Mermaid was how she was being raised.
Teenage daughter misses her big recital.
She gets a stern talking to and flits away.
She goes to a place that is forbidden by her father (the surface)
She has been hiding human things from her father for years. Also forbidden.
Her father finds the stuff and destroys everything and leaves her there. (instead of dragging her home by the fins and grounding her)
She runs away with "the bad crowd" (First Ursula and her eels, then the humans)
Her father can keep her from ever being with the humans again, because she's a mermaid again.
But instead, he gives her legs and lets her move in with them
Lesson learned today kids......Disobey your parents and you'll get your way eventually
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Siren - Oh yeah, I almost forgot about that. Disney actualy touched on the subject in one of their children's books. Ariel was turning fifteen and got to hear all the stories her sisters had to share about the days they were allowed to visit the surface before she was allowed to do it herself. No grandmother in sight, though.
I remember the anime you mentioned, but not very clearly. It's been at least fifteen years since I've seen it. I know I don't need to tell you that anime can get away with being more serious and "adult," but I'm not sure I'd agree that they're willing to go the extra mile to do so. It's just an accepted part of their culture.
And it's because of our culture that Disney has to tread on thin ice. Whenever they try to do something that's a little more adult in animation, people tend to freak out. And even though it's becoming more and more accepted in this country, it's still a major risk to take. I would love to see Disney open a studio under a different name and crank out some cool stuff with a more serious or grown-up fare, but I'm not exactly holding my breath.
I remember the anime you mentioned, but not very clearly. It's been at least fifteen years since I've seen it. I know I don't need to tell you that anime can get away with being more serious and "adult," but I'm not sure I'd agree that they're willing to go the extra mile to do so. It's just an accepted part of their culture.
And it's because of our culture that Disney has to tread on thin ice. Whenever they try to do something that's a little more adult in animation, people tend to freak out. And even though it's becoming more and more accepted in this country, it's still a major risk to take. I would love to see Disney open a studio under a different name and crank out some cool stuff with a more serious or grown-up fare, but I'm not exactly holding my breath.
Yeah, I doubt Disney would do it, but I would pay to see it 
I am also one of those parents that let's their kids see older movies. My daughter is 6 and saw Watership Down for the first time a year ago. I don't agree with total sheltering, but for some subjects yes. But bunnies murdering eachother isn't actually something I think some children need to be sheltered from. But my daughter isn't easily scared or upset in movies. The last time she cried because of a movie was a few months ago, for the live action The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe. She had a total melt-down when Aslan was killed. And she has NEVER went totally crazy with crying before. It shocked me. I wanted to laugh. I'm such a horrible mother It took me a while to convince her to keep watching, that he'll come back and be alive, and well, and have his whole mane, etc. She was okay after that.
Now she saw the preview for the new WETA production and says she wants to see it. I'm a little afraid she might wail in the theater
Um...sorry, totally off topic.
I am also one of those parents that let's their kids see older movies. My daughter is 6 and saw Watership Down for the first time a year ago. I don't agree with total sheltering, but for some subjects yes. But bunnies murdering eachother isn't actually something I think some children need to be sheltered from. But my daughter isn't easily scared or upset in movies. The last time she cried because of a movie was a few months ago, for the live action The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe. She had a total melt-down when Aslan was killed. And she has NEVER went totally crazy with crying before. It shocked me. I wanted to laugh. I'm such a horrible mother
It took me a while to convince her to keep watching, that he'll come back and be alive, and well, and have his whole mane, etc. She was okay after that.Now she saw the preview for the new WETA production and says she wants to see it. I'm a little afraid she might wail in the theater
Um...sorry, totally off topic.