WORST Disney movie ever made...

PMcOuntry · Post by **PMcOuntry** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:04 pm

I've never seen Lilo & Stitch either... story never interested me.

lolopimp · Post by **lolopimp** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:46 pm

I always thought Lilo and Stitch was one of Disney's-Latest-Greatest. The "finding your place in the world" theme is very touching the first time you see it and I actually felt sorry for stitch!

yankees · Post by **yankees** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:54 pm

IMO opinion Disney does have its share of bad movies (but many great ones.) I wuld have the say the worst are the 2 aladdin equels. But With A Movie Coming To Theaters..... I hated Alantis, Brother Bear Was Meh But I Didnt hate It, I didnt like the balck caldourn
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PapiBear · Post by **PapiBear** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:06 am

I find it interesting how the emphasis seems to be on the animated films that have come from Disney (the Pixar films don't even count - they were only distributed by Disney, not made by them), and other than a mention of the Hilary Duff and Lindsay Lohan films, nobody's mentioned the plethora of live-action films that have come from Disney over the years, a number of which were, shall we say, wanting.

Perhaps it's because many of them were out of circulation for too many years (Disney used to re-release many of its films theatrically every 7 years or so, before the advent of the home video market), and many of you have not seen some of the older live action films.

By the way, anyone who honestly believes that either Fantasia, Pinocchio, Dumbo, Bambi, Cinderella or Alice in Wonderland were some of Disney's "worst" films cannot truly call himself/herself a Disney fan. I'm sorry, but that is just absolute sacrilege. That is the Golden Age of Disney Animation.

Wonderlicious · Post by **Wonderlicious** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:07 am

PapiBear wrote:By the way, anyone who honestly believes that either Fantasia, Pinocchio, Dumbo, Bambi, Cinderella or Alice in Wonderland were some of Disney's "worst" films cannot truly call himself/herself a Disney fan. I'm sorry, but that is just absolute sacrilege. That is the Golden Age of Disney Animation.

I know that it's good to accept people's opinions, but what you said is true.

PapiBear · Post by **PapiBear** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:20 am

Wonderlicious wrote:
PapiBear wrote:By the way, anyone who honestly believes that either Fantasia, Pinocchio, Dumbo, Bambi, Cinderella or Alice in Wonderland were some of Disney's "worst" films cannot truly call himself/herself a Disney fan. I'm sorry, but that is just absolute sacrilege. That is the Golden Age of Disney Animation.
I know that it's good to accept people's opinions, but what you said is true.

Well, opinions are like you-know-what, everyone has one, but that doesn't mean we have to accept them. We can disagree with other people's opinions, as long as we don't disrespect the person for it. I'm not disrespecting anyone in particular in saying what I've said. I just don't honestly see how anyone can call himself/herself a fan of Disney films, animated or not, and yet call the Classics "the worst". Without those animators and without those films, there'd be no Disney Company today, there'd be no Disney parks, no nothing. I think you have to have respect for that, and if you can't appreciate a particular film or if you feel it just doesn't quite work as well as another one of that era, OK, but to throw it into a "worst" category is just inviting derision. Unfortunately today's generations (mine included) have been too conditioned for constant rapid-fire stimulation and accelerated pacing and all sorts of whiz-bang special effects (including surround sound) in our entertainment, as well as the cable explosion with its attendant remote control channel surfing, and some of the younger ones were weaned on the Howard Ashman/Alan Menken Broadway musical-style animated classics of the early 90s, so they think that all Disney animated films have to have jazzy musical numbers every 10 minutes and Robin Williams machine-gun-delivery one-liners or their ADHD minds start wandering. Perhaps they just can't appreciate these films at a young age. That's part of the greatness of Disney films - they can be appreciated by all ages (but that doesn't mean they're appreciated at all ages in an individual's life).

Plus, how can anyone honestly say that Hilary Duff and/or Lindsay Lohan are better, even cooler, than Tommy Kirk and Annette Funicello? I mean COME ON!!

DDMAN26 · Post by **DDMAN26** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:23 am

Let's see for animated films I can't stand:

The Rescuers
The Rescuers Down Under, I just don't like the characters.

Pochahontas-The only animated film by Disney to bore me.

As for live-action many of the films released after Walt's death leave much to be desired. For the most part they're just mediocore.

Jayden · Post by **Jayden** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:54 am

PapiBear wrote:
Wonderlicious wrote: I know that it's good to accept people's opinions, but what you said is true.

Well, opinions are like you-know-what, everyone has one, but that doesn't mean we have to accept them. We can disagree with other people's opinions, as long as we don't disrespect the person for it. I'm not disrespecting anyone in particular in saying what I've said. I just don't honestly see how anyone can call himself/herself a fan of Disney films, animated or not, and yet call the Classics "the worst". Without those animators and without those films, there'd be no Disney Company today, there'd be no Disney parks, no nothing. I think you have to have respect for that, and if you can't appreciate a particular film or if you feel it just doesn't quite work as well as another one of that era, OK, but to throw it into a "worst" category is just inviting derision. Unfortunately today's generations (mine included) have been too conditioned for constant rapid-fire stimulation and accelerated pacing and all sorts of whiz-bang special effects (including surround sound) in our entertainment, as well as the cable explosion with its attendant remote control channel surfing, and some of the younger ones were weaned on the Howard Ashman/Alan Menken Broadway musical-style animated classics of the early 90s, so they think that all Disney animated films have to have jazzy musical numbers every 10 minutes and Robin Williams machine-gun-delivery one-liners or their ADHD minds start wandering. Perhaps they just can't appreciate these films at a young age. That's part of the greatness of Disney films - they can be appreciated by all ages (but that doesn't mean they're appreciated at all ages in an individual's life).

Plus, how can anyone honestly say that Hilary Duff and/or Lindsay Lohan are better, even cooler, than Tommy Kirk and Annette Funicello? I mean COME ON!!

Well, I think some people may be basing "best" and "worst" on "most enjoyable" and "least enjoyable" respectively. And this is a problem I pointed out in another thread. In terms of Innovation, NO ONE here can deny that the early Walt-era films are THE BEST. After all, they invented the animated feature film! I'd like to see someone try to debate that point

However, enjoyability is a completely subjective thing, and you can not say that all of the early Disney films are universally great.

The problem becomes this, everyone enjoys different things from their movies, and their is no such thing as a universally "most enjoyable" movie. There will always be people who stand up and say "That movie was boring as heck", it's just who we are as humans, we all have different tastes. To think that there is this "most enjoyable" movie, is to deny the truth that it really doesn't exist.

For example, in terms of "most enjoyable", I'd rank Robin Hood higher than, say Fantasia, or even Bambi (Please don't throw stones!

). And, although many would wish to kill me for that assesment, many others would agree with me on this one. However, in terms of "most innovative" (which really seems like what you are focusing on), Robin Hood would be near the bottom, and Fantasia and Bambi near the top (Being beat out by Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs of course).

The problem is that "worst" is being used (and interpretted) in a far too general way, and we should stop using the term, use more specific terminology to ensure that there is no misunderstanding.

In terms of focusing on the animated classics, they're all I've really seen (and many others here) and thus it would be unfair to offer assement on the live action titles which I haven't seen. The only live-action I've seen from the Disney company is Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl, which I thought was a great movie. And I think many others are of the same kind of mindset, as in "I haven't seen many live-action, so I won't asses them." Besides, what do you think of when Disney is mentioned? Animated films of course. Those are their most prominent productions, and thus gather most of the attention.

PMcOuntry · Post by **PMcOuntry** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:56 am

PapiBear wrote:I find it interesting how the emphasis seems to be on the animated films that have come from Disney (the Pixar films don't even count - they were only distributed by Disney, not made by them), and other than a mention of the Hilary Duff and Lindsay Lohan films, nobody's mentioned the plethora of live-action films that have come from Disney over the years, a number of which were, shall we say, wanting.

Perhaps it's because many of them were out of circulation for too many years (Disney used to re-release many of its films theatrically every 7 years or so, before the advent of the home video market), and many of you have not seen some of the older live action films.

By the way, anyone who honestly believes that either Fantasia, Pinocchio, Dumbo, Bambi, Cinderella or Alice in Wonderland were some of Disney's "worst" films cannot truly call himself/herself a Disney fan. I'm sorry, but that is just absolute sacrilege. That is the Golden Age of Disney Animation.

I mentioned once that I didn't like Alice In Wonderland, although I think it's very well done in Disney style, I think it's a great film in the aspect as it reflects true Disney, I just don't like the movie personally, kind of like my mom was never a big fan of Bambi, but she agrees it was one of the best done Disney films.

PapiBear · Post by **PapiBear** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:58 am

Jayden wrote:Well, I think some people may be basing "best" and "worst" on "most enjoyable" and "least enjoyable" respectively. And this is a problem I pointed out in another thread. In terms of Innovation, NO ONE here can deny that the early Walt-era films are THE BEST. After all, they invented the animated feature film! I'd like to see someone try to debate that point However, enjoyability is a completely subjective thing, and you can not say that all of the early Disney films are universally great.

The problem becomes this, everyone enjoys different things from their movies, and their is no such thing as a universally "most enjoyable" movie. There will always be people who stand up and say "That movie was boring as heck", it's just who we are as humans, we all have different tastes. To think that there is this "most enjoyable" movie, is to deny the truth that it really doesn't exist.

Agreed. I certainly don't mean to imply that if you're not just totally enraptured by each and every Disney animated classic that you're not a "real fan". No question that some Disney titles, and the classics are no exception, don't always resonate with everyone, or even rub some the wrong way. Basically those classics have to be acknowledged for their place in the Disney pantheon, but as an individual film a viewer may not find it, as you say, as enjoyable as another film. That's perfectly acceptable.

Jayden wrote:In terms of focusing on the animated classics, they're all I've really seen (and many others here) and thus it would be unfair to offer assement on the live action titles which I haven't seen. The only live-action I've seen from the Disney company is Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl, which I thought was a great movie. And I think many others are of the same kind of mindset, as in "I haven't seen many live-action, so I won't asses them." Besides, what do you think of when Disney is mentioned? Animated films of course. Those are their most prominent productions, and thus gather most of the attention.

Come now, you've got to be kidding - you've never seen ANY Disney live action film before POTC-COTBP? Not Mary Poppins? Not Swiss Family Robinson? Not Pollyanna? Not 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea? Not even The Love Bug? Get thee hither to a Blockbuster store, immediately, and rent, rent, rent!

PMcOuntry wrote:I mentioned once that I didn't like Alice In Wonderland, although I think it's very well done in Disney style, I think it's a great film in the aspect as it reflects true Disney, I just don't like the movie personally, kind of like my mom was never a big fan of Bambi, but she agrees it was one of the best done Disney films.

Please don't take what I said as if it was directed at you personally; it wasn't. If you don't like a particular film, that's fine. It was just this labeling of some of the classics as "worst Disney film" that chapped my hide.

PMcOuntry · Post by **PMcOuntry** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:19 pm

I understand! I was just clarifying that I didn't think some of the ones you mentioned were "the worst", I just don't like AIW. I agree w/everyone else though, Walt-Era was THE BEST movies, whether we liked the story or not!

Dan05 · Post by **Dan05** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:20 pm

PapiBear wrote:By the way, anyone who honestly believes that either Fantasia, Pinocchio, Dumbo, Bambi, Cinderella or Alice in Wonderland were some of Disney's "worst" films cannot truly call himself/herself a Disney fan. I'm sorry, but that is just absolute sacrilege. That is the Golden Age of Disney Animation.

Your basically saying that whoever doesn't like the Disney movies you like isn't a true Disney fan

Everyone likes what they like and don't need to like something just because it's from the Golden Age

Timon/Pumbaa fan · Post by **Timon/Pumbaa fan** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:48 pm

PapiBear wrote: By the way, anyone who honestly believes that either Fantasia, Pinocchio, Dumbo, Bambi, Cinderella or Alice in Wonderland were some of Disney's "worst" films cannot truly call himself/herself a Disney fan. I'm sorry, but that is just absolute sacrilege. That is the Golden Age of Disney Animation.

I love Pinocchio and Bambi! I also really like Dumbo! I didn't care for Cinderella or Alice in Wonderland! Cinderella was basicly a weaker version of Snow White! Even Sleeping Beauty which came out a little latter was much better! As for Alice In Wonderland. It's got a few great characters(Mad Hatter and Marche Hare) and some funny moments, but it just comes off rather weird! I could sort of understand why even Walt Disney didn't like it!

dvdjunkie · Post by **dvdjunkie** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:44 pm

INHO, and it is just my opinion, most all of the Disney direct-to-video releases are horrible. I can only think of a couple that I would own, and do own. Why are they so lazy and insecure that they cannot come up with new ideas for movies. "Just do a sequel" seem to be their motto nowadays.

Just the thought of "Bambi 2", "Dumbo 2" (which I hear is trashed, so I need not worry), and all of the other sequels except for "The Lion King 1 and 1/2" and "Stitch The Movie", makes my skin crawl and I just can't understand what they are thinking. If it isn't good enough for the movie theater, then why do they think we'll think it is good enough for our DVD collection.

Yes, there have been some live action Disney movies that were down right horrible, the one that comes to mind is "Blackbeard's Ghost". I know there are plenty more, but that is the one I think of when someone mentions bad Disney movies.

PapiBear · Post by **PapiBear** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:18 am

Dan05 wrote:
PapiBear wrote:By the way, anyone who honestly believes that either Fantasia, Pinocchio, Dumbo, Bambi, Cinderella or Alice in Wonderland were some of Disney's "worst" films cannot truly call himself/herself a Disney fan. I'm sorry, but that is just absolute sacrilege. That is the Golden Age of Disney Animation.
Your basically saying that whoever doesn't like the Disney movies you like isn't a true Disney fan

Everyone likes what they like and don't need to like something just because it's from the Golden Age

No, Dan, I'm not saying that. In fact, I clarified what I was saying in my follow-up post. I'm not saying that anyone has to like a certain film - if Alice in Wonderland just isn't quite your cup of tea but you love Peter Pan, that's just fine.....but saying that is quite a bit different from saying that Alice in Wonderland is "the worst Disney film ever".

However, I do think that if the only films you like from the Disney Company are those that have come in the last 20 years, it makes one wonder as to whether the term "Disney fan" is truly apropos. Being a fan of the Pixar movies doesn't make you a Disney fan, it makes you a Pixar fan. Loving Aladdin and The Lion King but pooh-poohing Pinocchio and Bambi might make one a fan of the former films on an individual basis perhaps, but as to whether the term "Disney fan" would be fairly applied is questionable at best. Can one genuinely be considered a fan of Disney animation (or Disney films in general) if they consider the groundbreaking work Fantasia "the worst Disney film ever" but wax poetic about The Fox and the Hound? It's not so much a matter of what one finds entertaining - it's a matter of recognizing quality filmmaking and quality art, and discerning between that which is good and that which is not so good.

It has nothing to do with me personally or you personally, Dan.

It's like walking into Yankee Stadium and saying that Lou Gehrig or Joe DiMaggio were some of the worst players that ever played the game, and then calling yourself a Yankee fan because you think A-Rod or Derek Jeter are "kewl". It invites a beer bottle being thrown in your general direction by the guys who've loved the Bronx Bombers since they were kids. It's NOT the same as saying "yeah, DiMaggio didn't do so hot that year, did he?" There are fans, and then there are FANS.

Alice · Post by **Alice** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:46 pm

tu wrote:
2099net wrote: Don't forget, when Mulan was disguised as a man, they altered her facial features too. They mention this on the Mulan SE. You should only compare Mulan in Mulan II to "female" Mulan in the first film.
i undertand,and that just what i did,
but still i think something is missing between the two version of Mulan,they really don't look a like ( to me )....

.

OMG! Mulan got a NOSE JOB/FACE LIFT!

Is this the first Disney character to have "PLASTIC SURGERY"??

PMcOuntry · Post by **PMcOuntry** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:48 pm

Here eyes are different too... weird.

Miss Jo · Post by **Miss Jo** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:43 pm

She doesn't even look Chinese in the newer pictures. She just looks Caucasian because her eyes are so round. Who hires these awful sequel animators?

chaychay102royal · Post by **chaychay102royal** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:53 pm

Miss Jo wrote:She doesn't even look Chinese in the newer pictures. She just looks Caucasian because her eyes are so round. Who hires these awful sequel animators?

Well, whoever did should be fired along with the animators.

Siren · Post by **Siren** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:07 pm

Not a fan of Snow White. Her voice irritated me even as a kid. The Evil Queen was cool, but still not a good enough reason to watch it much at all.

Pinocchio is another that was good for it's villians, but got on my nerves. I liked the whole Pleasure Island thing, especially when they turned into donkeys (I love donkeys). But again, like Snow White, classic or not, it was partially the story and partially the acting that I wasn't into.

And the whole idea of if you don't like certain movies then you can't be a true fan is ridiculous. That's like saying you HAVE to like EVERY song from a band. If you don't, don't bother with the concerts. I NEVER liked either FAIRY TALE as a kid. So ANY adaptation is a bore to me. Yet, I am still a Disney fan because I like probably 95% of all other Disney movies.

And I can see a lot of reasons for someone not to like Alice in Wonderland. I did, but so many characters and scenes were cut that I really liked. I prefer the old live action TV special over the Disney one.

Let's see, what else....

Atlantis reminded me too much of Titan A.E. And I liked Titan A.E. better

Home on the Range...nuff said there.
Robin Hood...even as an animal lover, the whole idea didn't interest me.
Little Mermaid...sorta....I have been a lifelong fan of the original story by Hans Christian Anderson. It was a tragedy though. I can certainly see why Disney adapted it into a Caribbean fun-loving musical, but I still miss the whole premise of the sea foam at the end of the story

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