Why would Disney rip off Kimba if it wasn't a good story?Timon/Pumba fan wrote:Back to the Lion King, Lion King has excellent voice actors, amazing animation, spectacular music and a fabulous story, all things Kimba dosn't have!
I guess Dr. Tezuka needed to add some fart jokes to Kimba to make it a good story.
Well, duuuuhhh! Of COURSE the animation is'nt gonna be on a par with "Lion King"...this was a Japanese television show created in 1965 with absolutely no money, a fiercely restricted time frame and animators that were learning as they went along.....what we're talking about here is the fact that so MUCH was created with what little Mushi Productions and Tezuka had to work with... somehow, they still managed to create a great series with a great story that has since become a beloved classic of the genre.Timon/Pumba fan wrote:I could actually care less if Lion King was a rip off. The animation in Kimba most likely sucks and I doubt there is any misic in Kimba(which made Lion King so great).
Now, when you want to talk about voice talent, that's where "Kimba" again shines......Fred Ladd hired on some of the best voice talent of the day to dub "Kimba" into English...Billie Lou Watt, Hal Studer, Cliff Owens, and Gilbert Mack were responsible for most of the vocal dubbing of international films that came to the States during the 50s, 60s and 70s as well as the voices of hundreds of radio shows and commercials..needless to say, they were considered the top people of their profession right up there with legends like Paul Frees, Mel Blanc and Daws Butler. Now, regarding the music.....well, hate to bust yer bronco, but in all honesty "Kimba" beats the shenanigans right out of "Simba" as far as musical score is concerned. Electronic music legend Isao Tomita created a full on orginal symphony( and we're talkin' SYMPHONY, folks!) for the series and even conducted the Japanese Philharmonic Orchestra himself when it was recorded. Knock the quality of animation, knock anything else, but the music in "Kimba" is absolutely stunning and beats the daylights out of a bunch of pop tunes any day of the week.Timon/Pumba fan wrote:The Lion King has excellent voice actors, amazing animation, spectacular music and a fabulous story, all things Kimba dosn't have!
No offense, but I'm done with this conversation. I did not work at the Disney studio, thus I did not see any of this first hand, thus there is no tangible proof. I'm still standing by all the things I've said earlier: I don't believe that either Lion King or Atlantis are complete and utter rip-offs of two certain anime series.maxeythecat wrote:Look, I love "Lion King" just as much as anyone here (aside from the kischy songs thrown in for the sake of "who-hooooo, let's make a musical!" mindset), but I get a little miffed when someone filches a story, turns round and sez "oh no we did'nt" even though they know they did, then behave like THEY were the ones that were the victims by suing the people they "borrowed" the material from in the first place!
Starion wrote:I should pick up a copy of the Kimba DVDs too..RJKD23 wrote:I saw a DVD on Kimbaa the White Lion at the 99 cents store, and I was tempted to pick it up just to see what it was all about...but I opted for the velcro tabs for my Bambi DVD.
I totally agree, which is why I chose to stop posting about it and why I did my best to refrain from some of the kinds of offensive, hurtful and spiteful comments I've seen in this thread. If I have come across as abrasive and/or offensive to any degree, I apologize. But the reason we have this forum is to share opinions and ideas, and it's only natural that we may get carried away over what we're passionate about. I never said which cartoon I thought was better than the other, and I never attacked either Tezuka or Disney. The matter at hand was whether or not we believe Disney ripped off some anime, and all I wanted to do was give my personal opinion and hopefully not offend anyone in the process.Jayden wrote:People! People! Can't we just agree to disagree on this one? It's impossible to say one is better than the other because everyone has their own views on which is better. No one is going to win in this arguement.
I'll make this short and simplemaxeythecat wrote: Well, duuuuhhh! Of COURSE the animation is'nt gonna be on a par with "Lion King"...this was a Japanese television show created in 1965 with absolutely no money, a fiercely restricted time frame and animators that were learning as they went along.....what we're talking about here is the fact that so MUCH was created with what little Mushi Productions and Tezuka had to work with... somehow, they still managed to create a great series with a great story that has since become a beloved classic of the genre.
Now, when you want to talk about voice talent, that's where "Kimba" again shines......Fred Ladd hired on some of the best voice talent of the day to dub "Kimba" into English...Billie Lou Watt, Hal Studer, Cliff Owens, and Gilbert Mack were responsible for most of the vocal dubbing of international films that came to the States during the 50s, 60s and 70s as well as the voices of hundreds of radio shows and commercials..needless to say, they were considered the top people of their profession right up there with legends like Paul Frees, Mel Blanc and Daws Butler. Now, regarding the music.....well, hate to bust yer bronco, but in all honesty "Kimba" beats the shenanigans right out of "Simba" as far as musical score is concerned. Electronic music legend Isao Tomita created a full on orginal symphony( and we're talkin' SYMPHONY, folks!) for the series and even conducted the Japanese Philharmonic Orchestra himself when it was recorded. Knock the quality of animation, knock anything else, but the music in "Kimba" is absolutely stunning and beats the daylights out of a bunch of pop tunes any day of the week.
And lastly, the story......here we go again. Where d'ya think that "Lion King" GOT such a "great story"? "Jungle Emperor" was originally written in 1950, the "Kimba" series was released in 1965, the follow-up (not released here until the '80s ) in 1966 AND a theatrical movie in 1967 (finally being released on dvd next month) as well as a more modern adaption shown in Japanese theatres in 1997. Oh, by the way, Disney blocked the release of the '97 "Jungle Emperor Leo" movie in this country and filed suit to try to prevent its showing at the 1998 Toronto FantAsia Film Festival. Pretty hard-nosed tactics from a company that claims "Lion King" had nothing to do with "Kimba", don'cha think? Look, I love "Lion King" just as much as anyone here (aside from the kischy songs thrown in for the sake of "who-hooooo, let's make a musical!" mindset), but I get a little miffed when someone filches a story, turns round and sez "oh no we did'nt" even though they know they did, then behave like THEY were the ones that were the victims by suing the people they "borrowed" the material from in the first place! As said before, Tezuka's estate could've filed lawsuit upon lawsuit but they did'nt because they knew how much the Maestro would've loved the idea and how flattered he would be. Too bad you can't say the same about "Eisney".
