Walt in His Own Words...On Sequels

SNERWW22785 · Post by **SNERWW22785** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:00 am

Regardless of your opinion on the Disney movement to produce animated DTV sequels, Walt's disfavor of them with regard to the animated classics is well-known. Today, Jim Hill Media writer Wade Sampson profiles one of Walt's final public speeches in October 1966, to the National Association of Theatre Owners. Describing his journey through Hollywood, Walt made the following remark:

By nature, I'm an experimenter. To this day, I don't believe in sequels. I can't follow popular cycles. I have to move on to new things.

The full article can be read here:

http://jimhillmedia.com/mb/articles/sho ... hp?ID=1378

Mickey A · Post by **Mickey A** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:57 am

Do you think he would have hated Toy Story 2, though?

ohmahaaha · Post by **ohmahaaha** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:00 am

No surprise there. How many sequels were made under Disney's reign? Like, zero, right?

Look at how many times Disney went into the red to pursue his VISION. I wonder how many times the Disney company has been in the red in the last 25 years (or longer). Like, zero, right?

Post by **Luke** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:32 am

ohmahaaha wrote:No surprise there. How many sequels were made under Disney's reign? Like, zero, right?

Two feature films: <a href="http://www.ultimatedisney.com/savagesam.html">Savage Sam</a> and <a href="http://www.ultimatedisney.com/sonofflubber.html">Son of Flubber</a>. Some of the cartoon shorts could be viewed as sequels, like the Three Little Pigs follow-ups that Walt didn't think too highly of.

KinOO · Post by **KinOO** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:51 am

3 little pigs are shorts! Walt would never have thought of making a sequel to Bambi or Snow White....

Noriel · Post by **Noriel** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:37 pm

SNERWW22785 wrote:
By nature, I'm an experimenter. To this day, I don't believe in sequels. I can't follow popular cycles. I have to move on to new things.

Don't you just loove how the Disney Co. today is following Walt's legacy?

(Although, I do have to say.... TLK 1.5 WAS entertaining)

Lightyear · Post by **Lightyear** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:46 pm

I don't see the problem with sequals.. It's what the general public wants from Disney.. Understanding that here is not the general public when it comes to Disney movies.. But I've yet to see a sequal I honestly didn't like... There were some that I thought lacked the disney thrill and adventure I've come to hope for.. But you can't hit a homerun every time at bat.

Unless your taking steroids.

Mickey A · Post by **Mickey A** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:56 pm

As much as I admire Walt, I believe his policy about sequels was somewhat incorrect. In my opinion, a studio can make a sequel with as much creativity as the film's predecessor, without thinking about the money. According to Walt, there never should have been an Empire Strikes Back, Spider-Man 2, Godfather Part II, Toy Story 2, Rescuers Down Under, Shrek 2, Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers... the list goes on and on. True, most sequels are lackluster, but that doesn't mean all sequels should be dismissed as bad or unnecessary.

JP_S · Post by **JP_S** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:40 pm

He would have loved Toy Story 2, but then again he would have made sure that Pixar was almost completly 100% a part of the Walt Disney Company instead of the GREAT M. EISNER

Mickey A · Post by **Mickey A** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:42 pm

But according to his above words, Walt wouldn't have even greenlit Toy Story 2.

ichabod · Post by **ichabod** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:49 pm

i always do this

when I hear that quote, as Luke showed Walt did make sequels.

Various shorts had sequels and many more were planned such as the Fantasia "sequels" they were Walt's idea. Also Walt wanted to make sequels to characters such as Hop Low and Peter Pegasus, so I always take that comment with a pinch of salt.

Also KinOO, regardless of whether The Three Little Pigs are shorts or not is beside the point. If a new story brings back old characters in a new situation, it is a sequel. Regadless of whether it is a short or a feature length film.

Also I feel it is worth noting that "Bongo" was conceived as a sequel to "Dumbo", they were going to use the same circus and everything!

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:16 pm

Yes. And Walt (like most movie studio heads) also said Television was a flash in the pan, would never catch on, and he wouldn't lower himself to make material for TV.

Soon changed his mind when he needed ABC's money to con-fund Disneyland didn't he?

Dan05 · Post by **Dan05** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:17 pm

If those are Walt's own words why the heck do they always make sequels? They are not needed or wanted.
I'd rather see a whole new movie then seeing a terrible chepuel!

Mickey A · Post by **Mickey A** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:22 pm

Dan05 wrote:If those are Walt's own words why the heck do they always make sequels? They are not needed or wanted.
I'd rather see a whole new movie then seeing a terrible chepuel!

But what's wrong with making good sequels? You mean to tell me that Dude, Where's My Car and Meet the Deedles are more needed and wanted than Toy Story 2?

Concerning the so-called "cheapquel"s: Unless someone can prove to me that the upcoming sequels from Disney are going to be absolutely awful, ruining everything that made their predecessor a masterpiece, then my stance on sequels is going to stay the same.

I don't know about you guys, but I love a lot of those Disney characters. And to me, when you like someone, you're going to want to have new adventures and conversations with the person. That's why I have nothing against good Disney sequels.

ichabod · Post by **ichabod** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 2:22 pm

Dan05 wrote:They are not needed

I don't think you can say any film does not need a sequel. Life does not end at a full stop, things go on in life, and even in stories that have a "Hapilly ever after", we are still encouraged to picture the events after the story as we know the something must be happening happily ever after. The very phrase "happily ever after" refers to a point in time after the end of the story so we know that events happen after where the story finishes. Therefore every sequel I think is viable.

or wanted

Clearly the fact that millions of units are sold every year begs to differ!

Timon/Pumbaa fan · Post by **Timon/Pumbaa fan** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:14 pm

Mickey A wrote:As much as I admire Walt, I believe his policy about sequels was somewhat incorrect. In my opinion, a studio can make a sequel with as much creativity as the film's predecessor, without thinking about the money... Rescuers Down Under, Shrek 2...

Well I'd be glad if Walt wouldn't greenlight either of those films since both Rescuers 2 and Shrek 2 were really bad! Anyways I think if Walt saw creative people behind the sequels, and see good ideas from them, then I think Walt would approve sequels!

Dan05 · Post by **Dan05** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:29 pm

Mickey A wrote:But what's wrong with making good sequels? You mean to tell me that Dude, Where's My Car and Meet the Deedles are more needed and wanted than Toy Story 2?

Concerning the so-called "cheapquel"s: Unless someone can prove to me that the upcoming sequels from Disney are going to be absolutely awful, ruining everything that made their predecessor a masterpiece, then my stance on sequels is going to stay the same.

I don't know about you guys, but I love a lot of those Disney characters. And to me, when you like someone, you're going to want to have new adventures and conversations with the person. That's why I have nothing against good Disney sequels.

Well it's all just my opinion.
I actually think that making a whole new movie is better than making a sequel.
There has been some Disney sequels that I have liked but most of them I disliked.

I actually liked Dude, Where's My Car by the way

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