The Worst Disney Sequel!

IggieKuzco · Post by **IggieKuzco** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 7:38 am

Alright people, we all know disney has had some pretty bad sequels over the years.... lets see which is the worst!

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 7:44 am

Tarzan and Jane is not a sequel. Nor is Altantis II:Milo's Return really. They are episodes from the television series (or aborted television series in Atlantis II's case). Atlantis did have a proper sequel planned and advertised but this was pulled.

There's lots of sequels you've left off. Is this because you think that they're better than the one's you have included?

I think that Hunchback of Notre Dame II is the worst (or if you are including the pseudo sequels like Tarzan and Jane I would have to say Beauty and the Beast: Belle's Magical World)

I also think a lot of the sequels are good (or in one case excellent). Regular readers will know which sequel that is.

IggieKuzco · Post by **IggieKuzco** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 7:50 am

I only wrote a few of the recent sequels (which excludes Belle's Magical World), and the ones that i didn't see (which excludes Hunchback).

And of course, i didn't put in the good ones (excluding rescuers down under, TLK: Simba's Pride..) or the excellent ones (excluding Return of Jaffar, which in my opinion was better then Aladdin! and im one of the biggest aladdin fans around!!!)!

Loomis · Post by **Loomis** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:07 am

That's a bit of a loaded question (and as 2099 points out, 2 of those aren't really sequels).

I have also enjoyed most of the sequels to varying degrees. There are some really nice touches in a number of them, and I think the Sydney animation department (and the other DTV divisions) has done great work lately.

And to be fair to the sequels, they are keeping 2D alive!

Give them a chance people! That's all we are saying...

Chernabog · Post by **Chernabog** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:10 am

Tarzan and Jane is horrible!

IggieKuzco · Post by **IggieKuzco** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:21 am

LETS HEAR IT FOR CHERNABOG!!!!

oh... and loomis:

I have also enjoyed most of the sequels to varying degrees. There are some really nice touches in a number of them, and I think the Sydney animation department (and the other DTV divisions) has done great work lately.

What nice touches? and in which sequels?? maybe their were a few cute things in a few sequels here and there.... but nothing to be proud of!

And to be fair to the sequels, they are keeping 2D alive!

True.... but they're also killing it. you see, if disney dosen't stop with all these 2D sequels and keeps with 3D... (or whatever it is).... soon their wont be any 2D's to make bad sequels of anymore! then what? they'll make 2D sequels to 3D movies??? some how, i doubt it.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:24 am

IggieKuzco wrote:What nice touches? and in which sequels?? maybe their were a few cute things in a few sequels here and there.... but nothing to be proud of!

How about the fact that the films are made on less than one seventh of the budget of Treasure Planet. They certainly don't look "seven times as cheap".

None of the sequels faults lie with the animators. They have to work to the script that they are given, the songs that are written and the budget that they are allocated.

IggieKuzco wrote:True.... but they're also killing it. you see, if disney dosen't stop with all these 2D sequels and keeps with 3D... (or whatever it is).... soon their wont be any 2D's to make bad sequels of anymore! then what? they'll make 2D sequels to 3D movies??? some how, i doubt it.

They'll just make 3D sequels to 3D films (and this will be cheaper too - don't need to recreate the character models or sets). And 2D will be dead at Disney (apart from perhaps television animation - 3D is expensive for most television as lots of new locations, props and character have to be modelled for each episode)

IggieKuzco · Post by **IggieKuzco** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:30 am

They'll just make 3D sequels to 3D films (and this will be cheaper too - don't need to recreate the character models or sets). And 2D will be dead at Disney (apart from perhaps television animation - 3D is expensive for most television as lots of new locations, props and character have to be modelled for each episode)

It's soooooooooooooooooo sad!

what will become of us???

Loomis · Post by **Loomis** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:38 am

IggieKuzco wrote:
They'll just make 3D sequels to 3D films (and this will be cheaper too - don't need to recreate the character models or sets). And 2D will be dead at Disney (apart from perhaps television animation - 3D is expensive for most television as lots of new locations, props and character have to be modelled for each episode)
It's soooooooooooooooooo sad! what will become of us???

Well, for one thing we will no longer have the "classic" animation being released, which seemed to be such a concern for you over in the Stitch! thread.

IggieKuzco · Post by **IggieKuzco** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:44 am

Well, for one thing we will no longer have the "classic" animation being released, which seemed to be such a concern for you over in the Stitch! thread.

what?! you're telling me that you dont care about losing classic disney animation? what are you... sick?

Loomis · Post by **Loomis** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 8:54 am

IggieKuzco wrote:
Well, for one thing we will no longer have the "classic" animation being released, which seemed to be such a concern for you over in the Stitch! thread.
what?! you're telling me that you dont care about losing classic disney animation? what are you... sick?

I think you missed my point - perhaps I was unclear. I'm saying that is EXACTLY what I care about.

The ability to manipulate 3D models will ultimately make the traditional 'classic animation' obsolete. Once a model has been made in 3D, there is no need for additional work (as 2099 says "don't need to recreate the character models or sets"). Just change a few variables. Faster, and cheaper.

And all at the loss, I'm afraid, of the traditional and 'classic' art of hand-drawn animation.

We both care about preserving these 'classic' forms. I'm still not sure how YOU see that as being eroded though?

poco · Post by **poco** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 9:09 am

I haven't seen any of them. maybe I won't

IggieKuzco · Post by **IggieKuzco** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 9:18 am

I haven't seen any of them. maybe I won't

are u telling me that u haven't seen any of these crappy sequels???????????????????????????????????????

Keep up the good work!

poco · Post by **poco** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 9:49 am

I haven't seen any of them, but I do own Atlantis 2. I just found out i have a niece or nephew on the way so maybe he/she will get a kick out of it.

IggieKuzco · Post by **IggieKuzco** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:06 am

Dont even show it to your nephew.... burn it before it's too late!!!!!!!

Post by **Luke** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:16 am

I've only seen two from this short list. Jungle Book 2 was better than I expected/feared, though not a great film or anything. Tarzan & Jane, I liked more than Return to Never Land, but it was rather shallow. I guess I haven't seen any sequels that I really hate, but I haven't seen too many, overall. Return to Never Land probably stands as my least favorite, though I know that's not a very common opinion.

IggieKuzco · Post by **IggieKuzco** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:35 am

Are you kidding me??? I was expecting somthing at least half decent in jungle book II! I cant believe they can rip such a wonderful movie with such a horrible sequel?! (though I must admit, they stayed true to the animation... and that was quite nice...)

That's strange.... Neverland actually ranked among one of the best for me... (after Return of Jaffar and Simbas Pride), the only problem with it in my opinion was that it was cut way too short.... another good half an hour and it would have been amazing!

But u have to admit.... the song at the begining/in the credits "i'll try" is a high class song and was worthy (in my opinion) for at least a song nomination at oscar night.

Chernabog · Post by **Chernabog** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 12:18 pm

I think The Jungle Book 2 was much more nice than I had expected.
The only thing in it that I disliked was the sequence with Baloo jazzing in King Louises old ruin - that was not good and should have been avoided I think - it doesn´t fit!

Prince Phillip · Post by **Prince Phillip** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 12:47 pm

The only sequel that I have seen from the above list is Junglebook 2 which I liked better than the original!

Cinderella II was God aweful, and I wanted to pull and Oedipus 2 minutes into the movie, and guage out my eyes, but I kept waiting for it to get better... it never did. I had to go on prozac after seeing that movie!

actually I didn't, but I did feel like guaging out my eyes....

Oh, and as for the sequels keeping 2D animation alive, I'm sorry Loomis and 2099net, but you guys are dead wrong, sequels such as Bambi II, and Dumbo II, are being planned as 3D features!!!

3D sequels to 2D movies!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! When will the madness end!?!?!?!?!

Prince Adam · Post by **Prince Adam** » Thu Aug 28, 2003 12:52 pm

Actually Phillip, the plug has been pulled on Dumbo 2 (although it actually sounded pretty good) and its rumoured that Bambi and the Great Prince looked so awful in CG, that if it is completed, it will be done in 2d.

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