full screen vs widescreen and letterbox

anger is pointless · Post by **anger is pointless** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:51 pm

ok so letterbox version is the way its suppost to be right i always thought the black on the top and bottom of the screen cut off the picture

Dan05 · Post by **Dan05** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:54 pm

anger is pointless wrote:ok so letterbox version is the way its suppost to be right i always thought the black on the top and bottom of the screen cut off the picture

yeah it does but like luke showed us with brother bear thats even worse than a bit of the top and bottom either way they both are close enough but im buying widescreen for now on

Lars Vermundsberget · Post by **Lars Vermundsberget** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:56 pm

anger is pointless wrote:ok so letterbox version is the way its suppost to be right i always thought the black on the top and bottom of the screen cut off the picture

Just something to think about:

Why would they add "black bars" to cut off the picture?

thatartguy · Post by **thatartguy** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:01 pm

No one complains about the "black bars" when they go to see a movie at the theater.

anger is pointless · Post by **anger is pointless** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:02 pm

oh yeah i never thought of that

RJKD23 · Post by **RJKD23** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:02 pm

thatartguy wrote:No one complains about the "black bars" when they go to see a movie at the theater.

that's because it's too dark to see if the "black bars" are part of the movie or if the "black bars" are part of the screen.

anger is pointless · Post by **anger is pointless** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:27 pm

i have the vhs modified for tv version of oliver and company and the dvd widescreen version i just found out i hadf the wide screen version of it just now lol and i just compared them and noticed in the begining when they show the city on the wide screen is so much better

ichabod · Post by **ichabod** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:31 pm

anger is pointless wrote:i have the vhs modified for tv version of oliver and company and the dvd widescreen version i just found out i hadf the wide screen version of it just now lol and i just compared them and noticed in the begining when they show the city on the wide screen is so much better

Excellent!

Another one we've enlightened!

The UD squad, fighting the injustices of Pan and Scan, another case closed!

Onto our next case, we have have to convince a 43 year mother of four in Poughkeepsie, why 2D is greater than CGI!

Team let's go!

Jayden · Post by **Jayden** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:32 pm

Dan05 wrote:I don't get why everyone likes widescreen, i prefer full screen

Blasphemy!!!!

lol, j/k. You're entitled to your opinion. My problem with full-screen lies with the fact that you are missing about 33% (or more) of the movie. Full screen was not how the movie was intended to be seen (Unless you're dealing with old DTVs or old movies (before the widescreen ratio was developed and accepted in theatres) (examples of these movies are Alice In Wonderland, The Sword In The Stone and Bambi)

I prefer to see the WHOLE movie, instead of a portion of it. This is especially true for Disney movies in which the artwork is a joy to look at. People complain about the black bars, but after watching 2 or 3 movies you learn to ignore them

I'm glad you've decided to switch though, it's a MUCH better way to watch a movie. I dropped Full Screen like a stone when I started buying DVDs because I was forced to get some of my favorite movies in Widescreen (because there was no full screen version available at that time) and I realized the major differences

Jayden · Post by **Jayden** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:38 pm

ichabod wrote:
anger is pointless wrote:i have the vhs modified for tv version of oliver and company and the dvd widescreen version i just found out i hadf the wide screen version of it just now lol and i just compared them and noticed in the begining when they show the city on the wide screen is so much better
Excellent!

Another one we've enlightened!

The UD squad, fighting the injustices of Pan and Scan, another case closed!

Onto our next case, we have have to convince a 43 year mother of four in Poughkeepsie, why 2D is greater than CGI!

Team let's go!

I'm afraid I'll miss that one, my UD cape is still at the dry cleaners

2D is so much better than CGI though, and I hope that Disney will return to 2D animation for their theatrical releases sooner rather than later. Walt would have embraced CGI (He loved new and innovative things apparently) but I HIGHLY doubt he would have abandoned the one thing that put him in business. Don't get me wrong, I love CGI movies, but I still want to see traditionally animated ones, they're so much easier on the eyes.

NOTHING can be a good old fashioned traditionally animated movie

We now return you to your regularily scheduled discussion..... Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep................

anger is pointless · Post by **anger is pointless** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:39 pm

i am watching oliver and company on my laptop right now i had to use my laptiop for my comparison cause i dont have two tvs

dvdjunkie · Post by **dvdjunkie** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:52 pm

Another good way to explain this battle between Full Screen (Pan and Scan) and (Widescreen) is to take a VHS video box and lay it on its side. Now, remember your regular TV is square and a movie screen is not. In order to fit the widescreen picture on the video frame they have to pull back from the frame and that leaves a white bar at the top and bottom of the picture and to keep you from getting a heacache from watching the movie they just make that part black.

You don't miss anything, they are not cutting off anything. You are seeing corner to corner everything you saw in the movie theater.

I hope that isn't too confusing, but that's the way I explained it to my customers in Blockbuster Video when I was a manager.

Just a side note................here in Kansas we have finally gotten an answer to our prayers............we have Best Buy, on a 90-day trial basis, separating the Full Screen versions of DVDs and the Widescreen versions to see if that affects sales. I have gotten tired of trying to educate the people about the differences and the sales people won't help because all they are interested in is the sale of the DVD. Most of the sales people don't know the difference anyway.

RJKD23 · Post by **RJKD23** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:56 pm

dvdjunkie wrote:Just a side note................here in Kansas we have finally gotten an answer to our prayers............we have Best Buy, on a 90-day trial basis, separating the Full Screen versions of DVDs and the Widescreen versions to see if that affects sales. I have gotten tired of trying to educate the people about the differences and the sales people won't help because all they are interested in is the sale of the DVD. Most of the sales people don't know the difference anyway.

yay for you!

i hope some people will be at least EDUCATED and will buy widescreen! those ignorant sales people!

wait, why again is FULL SCREEN an option?
i think that was a question I've been thinking of.

Why do they sell FULL SCREEN knowing that WIDE SCREEN is the original format in some movies.. I mean some ignorant people don't care and opt to buy FULL SCREEN to fit their T.V., but does that justify why DIsney would sell Full Screen (just for the sale)??

quiden · Post by **quiden** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:36 pm

Before I get too far, let me emphatically state that I always buy widescreen movies. With that said, I do believe that some filmakers like James Cameron actually shoot films in a full screen aspec ratio and crop the height of the film for a theater. I wasn't able to find any specific examples of it, but I know I've seen it somewhere. Also, the full screen version of Finding Nemo actually has more rendered space at the top and bottom instead of cutting off the sides-- so in reality, both versions are valid and can be watched depending on what ratio your tv is.

Jayden · Post by **Jayden** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:38 pm

RJKD23 wrote:
dvdjunkie wrote:Just a side note................here in Kansas we have finally gotten an answer to our prayers............we have Best Buy, on a 90-day trial basis, separating the Full Screen versions of DVDs and the Widescreen versions to see if that affects sales. I have gotten tired of trying to educate the people about the differences and the sales people won't help because all they are interested in is the sale of the DVD. Most of the sales people don't know the difference anyway.

yay for you!
i hope some people will be at least EDUCATED and will buy widescreen! those ignorant sales people!

wait, why again is FULL SCREEN an option?
i think that was a question I've been thinking of.

Why do they sell FULL SCREEN knowing that WIDE SCREEN is the original format in some movies.. I mean some ignorant people don't care and opt to buy FULL SCREEN to fit their T.V., but does that justify why DIsney would sell Full Screen (just for the sale)??

Because people complain about those "stupid black bars", I hear it at work all the time. I try to explain the difference to my customers, but a lot just won't listen and some seem to think they need a widescreen TV to watch them. It's annoying as heck seeing all the fullscreen dvds out on rent and the far superior Widescreens still in. I'm always ticked off when I have to rent fullscreen, because I hate it so much. But anyways, I digress

Jayden · Post by **Jayden** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:43 pm

quiden wrote:Before I get too far, let me emphatically state that I always buy widescreen movies. With that said, I do believe that some filmakers like James Cameron actually shoot films in a full screen aspec ratio and crop the height of the film for a theater. I wasn't able to find any specific examples of it, but I know I've seen it somewhere. Also, the full screen version of Finding Nemo actually has more rendered space at the top and bottom instead of cutting off the sides-- so in reality, both versions are valid and can be watched depending on what ratio your tv is.

Finding Nemo and Monsters, Inc were specifically reframed in the computer to fit fullscreen. There are a few directors who do shoot in fullscreen, but as someone said above, that information is considered superfulous and it's loss is anticipated by the filmmakers

anger is pointless · Post by **anger is pointless** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:47 pm

i know im gonna look for wide screen videos and dvds from now on

Sailor Eric · Post by **Sailor Eric** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:12 pm

I really don't mind much, but I've grown to like widescreen much more. Sleeping Beauty is MUCH better in widescreen though. Sometimes Fullscreen cuts off characters, and it's not nice if that certain character is speaking to someone else in front of them.

RJKD23 · Post by **RJKD23** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:23 pm

anger is pointless wrote:i know im gonna look for wide screen videos and dvds from now on

i like your siggy!

anger is pointless · Post by **anger is pointless** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:58 pm

thanks RJKD23

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