Song of the South on Dvd Discussion & Speculation Thread

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:24 pm

I loved the movie but am afraid lots of people will be dissapointed. the animation is the highlight of the movie but it is indeed a little slow paced. I understand Disney's "this better sell at least 10-12 million copies" attitude due to the supposed high demand. I for one will definitely get it.

Disneykid · Post by **Disneykid** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:42 pm

This is excellent news (or rumor, anyway). I, for one, am definitely picking this up. It's true that the animated segments totally blow away the live action bits, but the the latter portions are charming in their own right. I wonder if it'll be a single disc or two-disc affair. More than likely it'll be the latter, but if so, it better have substantial content and not just be one entire bonus feature disc on how Disney really likes African Americans. It makes me wonder what this year's live action SE will be (assuming there'll be one since we've had at least one every year since the Vault Disney line started).

STASHONE · Post by **STASHONE** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:30 pm

No surprise here, it's been Disney's highest requested catalogue title to date so I saw this coming years ago. Glad I had the patience and insight to not waste $50 on a bootlegged Ebay transfer.

PS - That idea of showing a montage of clips of all of Disney's contemporary black characters as extras is just about the worst idea I've ever heard.

"Look.. I'm not prejudiced, I have a friend who's black!!"

Reediculous.

and somewhat revolting.

Timon/Pumbaa fan · Post by **Timon/Pumbaa fan** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:45 pm

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't wait to buy this classic! I'm glad people relize this is as racist as "That's So Raven" and "The Proud Family" crap. Song of the South here I come!

singerguy04 · Post by **singerguy04** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:59 pm

I've never seen SOTS but i bet i'd like it! Splash Mountain is one of my favorite rides and the Disney parks, and isn't that ride based off of a part of this movie. And we'll also get to see zippedy doo dah, which has to be one of my favorite disney songs ever! I'm excited!!!

Andy · Post by **Andy** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:14 pm

I want it just for Zip a dee do dah!

He he..........forget the rest i'll skip to the animation!!

MickeyMousePal · Post by **MickeyMousePal** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:18 pm

Finally after all these years Song of the South is coming to DVD in 2006!!!!
I wonder if Disney will give it a 2 disc set and a slipcover just like the other Disney DVD's. Also this reminds me of Dumbo and Fantasia when they got their 60th Anniversary I hope SOTS gets a 2 discs not 1 disc.

Christian · Post by **Christian** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:14 pm

Now we just have to wait and see if the article is true.

AwallaceUNC · Post by **AwallaceUNC** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:21 pm

Disneykid wrote: it better have substantial content and not just be one entire bonus feature disc on how Disney really likes African Americans.

Disneykid wrote:It makes me wonder what this year's live action SE will be (assuming there'll be one since we've had at least one every year since the Vault Disney line started).

Ditto!

-Aaron

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 11:45 pm

I'm worried about the same stuff many of you have stated. I didnt like the forced explanations on the WW2 treasure DVDs. They should have made them skippable for those of us who have common sense about why this cartoons were made. I don't see Warner Bros. putting Gone with the Wind or American History X in perpective........ GWTW still sells like hot cakes with noone complaning when Ms O'Hara hits her black slave when Mrs Wilkins is in labour. Or in American History X when this black guy gets his head smashed on the side of the sidewalk. If you get offended by Song of the South then you're a moron lol sorry

wizzer · Post by **wizzer** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:56 am

when you watch song of the south i think you are really expecting a bombshell and never really get it. i would love to hear commentary by someone like say .....dave chapelle, just to pick it apart. like how a pile of tar looks like a baby and such..i think if you goto your mickey tin and watch the short called pluto's dreamhouse you will be blown away by more blantant racial stereotype than that in SOTH. and i laugh through the whole thing wondering why there's even a fuss about SOTH when this is avaliable right now. with an intro from good 'ol white guy.

MK Sharp · Post by **MK Sharp** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:51 am

MickeyMouseboy wrote:I'm worried about the same stuff many of you have stated. I didnt like the forced explanations on the WW2 treasure DVDs. They should have made them skippable for those of us who have common sense about why this cartoons were made.

I agree. But unfortunately there are are groups of people out there with nothing better to do than find offence in every little thing (it's no wonder they find it, they look so damn hard!). And then they think it's their moral duty to start a letter-writing campaign to protect the rest of us from corruption. They are mad. It's idiots like that that have resulted in 'Clock Cleaners' being edited about even though in actual fact THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT! See how 'common sense' doesn't enter into it...

So if a few slightly tedious ultra-PC intros from Lenny Maltin are the price we have to pay to shut these lunatics up, then so be it. Myself, I think it works the wrong way around. Once you've been told there's potentially offensive material in the forthcoming film, you end up looking for it all the more. (It took me a while to work out what was naughty about 'Gentleman's Gentleman' on MM in Colour II.)

A friend of mine was showing MM in B/W to his six year old son (it's good to hook 'em young!); after explaining what the intros were about, the kid starts pointing at the screen saying "There's the black man, daddy!".

So that worked well...

Jayden · Post by **Jayden** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:21 am

MK Sharp wrote:
MickeyMouseboy wrote:I'm worried about the same stuff many of you have stated. I didnt like the forced explanations on the WW2 treasure DVDs. They should have made them skippable for those of us who have common sense about why this cartoons were made.
I agree. But unfortunately there are are groups of people out there with nothing better to do than find offence in every little thing (it's no wonder they find it, they look so damn hard!). And then they think it's their moral duty to start a letter-writing campaign to protect the rest of us from corruption. They are mad. It's idiots like that that have resulted in 'Clock Cleaners' being edited about even though in actual fact THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT! See how 'common sense' doesn't enter into it...

So if a few slightly tedious ultra-PC intros from Lenny Maltin are the price we have to pay to shut these lunatics up, then so be it. Myself, I think it works the wrong way around. Once you've been told there's potentially offensive material in the forthcoming film, you end up looking for it all the more. (It took me a while to work out what was naughty about 'Gentleman's Gentleman' on MM in Colour II.)

A friend of mine was showing MM in B/W to his six year old son (it's good to hook 'em young!); after explaining what the intros were about, the kid starts pointing at the screen saying "There's the black man, daddy!". So that worked well...

That's exactly the problem, these people have nothing better to do than protect us from "the corruption all around us". Give it up and let us with common sense enjoy our movies! If you can't realize that these attitudes and the attitudes of today are so completely different, you shouldn't be watching these movies/shorts in the first place.

Just to note, an unedited version of Clock Cleaners is available on the Alice In Wonderland: Masterpiece Edition as part of the documentary One Hour In Wonderland. I think that is the only place you'll see it completely unedited. Somebody wasn't paying attention when putting this short onto the Treasures set. Oh well, it's not a huge deal as it's nice to have it in pristine shape.

On a final note, if they put on a documentary that feels "forced" you don't have to watch it. Just ignore it if you have enough common sense to know that Black people/any other racial group is not inferior. As for the Leonard Maltin intros, I use that opportunity to go to the washroom or get myself a drink after the first time I watched them

Hennie · Post by **Hennie** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:09 pm

Uncle Remus' Shorts

If we truly are gearing up for a release next year of Song of the South it seems advisable to point out two articles online that confront head on accusations of racism levelled against this film: In Defense of Disney's Uncle Remus... by Merlin Jones at the Save Disney site and Disney's Song of the South: Hollywood Scapegoat (includes two Quicktime clips from the movie) which points out several remarkable achievements for black actors made by the movie.

http://www.savedisney.com/news/editoria ... 2105.1.asp
http://www.theforbidden-zone.com/scroll ... outh.shtml

http://animated-news.com/

Lars Vermundsberget · Post by **Lars Vermundsberget** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:08 pm

MK Sharp wrote:Once you've been told there's potentially offensive material in the forthcoming film, you end up looking for it all the more. (It took me a while to work out what was naughty about 'Gentleman's Gentleman' on MM in Colour II.)

I also had to take a close look to see what could be considered offensive in Gentleman. I'm not even 100% sure I found it, but what else could there be...?

In cases like that they should only have used a general "warning" piece in front of the "vaulted" section, not in front of every single short. True, that only motivates viewers to look for what specifically can be found in that particular film.

In another Treasure, I remember we had a hard time figuring out what was "wrong" in Gulliver Mickey.

About SotS, I expect a lot of people are going to have an experience of anticlimax...

Jayden · Post by **Jayden** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:28 pm

Lars Vermundsberget wrote:
MK Sharp wrote: About SotS, I expect a lot of people are going to have an experience of anticlimax...

No doubt there. The hype and discussion surrounding this movie has put it's expectations amoungst those who have not seen it at an all time high, and many will undoubtedly be disappointed and wonder what the fuss was about.

I personally don't really see the problem with the movie, I grew up watching this movie on a constant basis, and to call me a racist is the furthest thing from the truth. Not only am I dating a Chinese woman but I am also friends with several African-Canadians and Aboriginal Canadians. Movies do inform us of values, but at the same time, one lone movie is not going to destroy the whole moral structure of a youth if he is brought up watching mostly "good moraled" movies.

The Little Merman · Post by **The Little Merman** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:10 pm

I think Luke is right. Would Disney really need Song of the South as a marketing ploy, after Bambi, The Incredibles, Pocahontas, Lilo and Stitch, Cinderella, Lady and the Tramp, and The Little Mermaid? I don't think so. Maybe it's true, or maybe not, but I'm waiting until the press release.

MickeyMousePal · Post by **MickeyMousePal** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:46 pm

Luke Wrote:

2006 is looking like a pretty good year for Disney DVDs, just going on previews/franchises.

March - Lady and the Tramp: Platinum Edition
Spring - Chicken Little
Summer - The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe
Summer-ish - The Shaggy Dog remake (perhaps the first two movies too?)
October - The Little Mermaid: Platinum Edition
November - Cars
December - Pirates of the Caribbean 2

It's possible that Disney might release The Hunchback of Notre Dame 10 Anniversary or Dumbo: SE or Tarzan: SE in 2006.
Along with some possibilities with Assorted Treasures Set, True Life Adventures, The Tinker Bell Movie, Brother Bear II, DuckTales: The Movie - Treasure of the Lost Lamp, Bambi and The Great Prince of the Forest and Silly Symphonies Volume 2.

Post by **Luke** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:55 pm

Yes, Pal, I was only listing things that look good or that we know are good, not everything that's on the Upcoming Release Schedule.

karlsen · Post by **karlsen** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:04 pm

Someone at JimHillMedia wrote a list over posible hosts and I found Oprah Winfrey realy interesting.

Would anybody go out and critisice her project of racism?

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