Anyone remember "The Small One"?

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Anyone remember "The Small One"?

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It was a 20 minute animated short about a boy who has to sell his beloved donkey and how the old donkey ends up in the a "king's stable".

I have a webpage on it and plan to update it soon with more merchandise, DVD petitions and more. http://www.small-one.tv
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Not sure if you have multi-region capability, but this short is on a DVD called <i>Countdown to Christmas</i> in the UK (Region 2), which was recently discussed here:
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... php?t=7343

I'd be quite interested to see it, as I can pretty much never see enough Christmas films/specials, etc. Plus what I know about the film sounds pretty unusual/intriguing.
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Ah, I have this on VHS and would love to see it on a region 1 DVD. I wonder if Disney hasn't bothered with it yet because it's not relatively well-known and because of its religious aspects.

I feel kinda bad for Don Bluth. He's done some awesome animation and yet has gotten a bad rap. He had the best of intentions when he left Disney.
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i have the small one taped off disney channel somewhere.

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Luke>Yes, I heard about it being on the UK DVD. But thank you though. Ever hear about any news on it, I want to know :) I don't have that DVD yet, but I do have an all region DVD player. I have 4 Small One VHSs, all different. I recorded the best copy to DVD myself for now.


Due to my love of the short and making the web page, I've done a LOT of research on it. Found more then I expected. If you visit my webpage and see the news article, you'll see why Disney so far has NO plans to ever release it to DVD.

They claim due to the religious implications of the short, they wish not to release it. Not because they don't support Christianity, but I guess they somehow expect controversy to start because they don't release movies/shorts of other religions.

I guess they forgot all about all the mentions of God, Heaven, and Hell in Hunchback.
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Also, for those trying to jump start their memory. MP3s of all the songs are on there and "A Friendly Face" video clip is also on my Small One page.

Oh and a LOT of screenshots. I went capture crazy :P
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Siren wrote: They claim due to the religious implications of the short, they wish not to release it. Not because they don't support Christianity, but I guess they somehow expect controversy to start because they don't release movies/shorts of other religions.

I guess they forgot all about all the mentions of God, Heaven, and Hell in Hunchback.
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BTW, I met Don Bluth and Gary Goldman several years ago at Dragon-Con. I have nothing but respect for both men. To me, it was like meeting Walt Disney. No matter what, Bluth and Goldman want nothing more then to see animated movies main drive to be the story. Meeting them was so awesome. Very humble and sweet. They signed everything I had on me and even drew me a picture of Stith all for free. I also sat at the special awards dinner right next to their table. I have a picture of me with them after they recieved their award somewhere. He placed the award (a dragon sculpture) on top of my head.
Also met Alice Cooper that night too. Yet another very nice man, no matter what his persona on stage. :)
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Oh, wow, that is so cool! The only big name in animation that I ever met was Bill Kroyer (the director of Fern Gully) and I lost a lot of respect for him because of the way he put down Don Bluth that night. He was anything but humble.

He got the students laughing when he put Bluth down for copying the Disney style. Um, so what exactly was Kroyer doing with Fern Gully? Anyway, I defended Bluth. I reminded everyone that Bluth left Disney because he felt that they were abandoning Walt's tradition. He loved the Disney style and it was ironic that the only way to do it was leave the studio. Kroyer also left Disney (at a different time), not in attempt to work with the Disney style, but to gain independence and do his own thing. Which is fine. But he shouldn't have been dissing Bluth the way he did, especially when he was being so hypocritical.

BTW, Kroyer mentioned that he strongly disliked CGI character animation. Of course, the quality of it has changed in the past ten years, but it's kinda funny that he would eventually work on the Garfield movie!

Alice Cooper actually came to my town a few months back but I didn't get to see him. But I could hear the concert from my front porch, LOL!
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SG>Good for you. Bluth has his own style. It's so obvious. The moment I see just one scene, I know it is a Bluth film. Look at what he did for Disney. Then look at what he does now. It's the same. While Disney constantly changes its style now. You look at Lion King, Pocohontas, Hercules, and Home on the Range. Not saying it is a bad thing to change style. Depending on the movie is how the style should be, but Bluth is pretty constant. Also Bluth is a stickler for orphans. I think NIMH, Dragon's Lair, and Space Ace are his only non-orphan films. You look at just about every film he was involved in with Disney and it was orphan.
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Don Bluth did some work on Fox and the Hound, didn't he? I remember reading that somewhere, but that his name was taken off the credits. And indeed, his name is nowhere to be found. I wasn't sure if it was at his request or if Disney did it because he left. Anyway, I only mention this because there was at least one scene of the badger that looked like his. You're right, his style is very recognizable!
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SG>Yes, he was deffinetly working on Fox and the Hound. That is when he left. He also took over half the animators in California with him. They went on to work on Banjo the Wood Pile Cat, Secret of NIMH. Then he went to Amblin animation to make American Tale and Land Before Time He worked at Fox Animation Studios on Anastasia and Titan A.E. After Titan A.E. failed to blow away the box office, the studio was shut down and they went on to do CGI animation opposed to hand drawn (Ice Age). Currently, Don Bluth, Gary Goldman and their animation team are making Dragon's Lair into a full length animated movie. You can keep up to date at http://www.donbluth.com.

Bluth and Disney seem to have a lot in common. They sought to have strong stories and crisp animation. And had affection for mice and orphans. ;)
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If my memory serves me correctly, didn't he work on Banjo in his garage while working for Disney? The Secret of NIMH is probably my favorite of his films and deserves some kind of special edition DVD!

BTW, my after-school program is gonna be stuck in the library today (the school needs to use our regular room) so we're gonna watch the original Land Before Time. This will be a fun afternoon!

I just wasn't sure how much of his work survived into the final version of Fox and the Hound. I was always curious as to exactly how much Tim Burton contributed as well.

Wow, it's great to know that Dragon's Lair is gonna live on as a full movie! I remember how big a deal the arcade game was. We never got to play it (fifty cents a game!) but I was mesmerized by it and loved watching other people play. I wanna get the DVD of it, but I wonder if it might be a bonus feature whenever the movie comes to DVD. Of course, since they're still working on the movie, that'll be quite a ways off, LOL!
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SG>You're correct. Thanks for clearing that up.

The original Dragon's Lair game is available on DVD, PC, and Playstation. As is Space Ace :)

My favorite Bluth film is Small One. :D
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Cool, I should look for the Playstation version! :D
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SG>Go to EB Games. They sell it there for pennies practically. Usually under $10 used. :D
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I had lunch with Don Bluth once... he's a nice guy. The reason his style seems "Disney" is because he was trained by Milt Kahl... his style is similar to what Milt did at Disney, but it's not like he was trying to copy what they were doing. He was just doing it well... as was Disney.

It was actually a very good thing for animation that he left Disney. At a time when animation was having a bit of a slump, he made Disney feel like they had to step it up to compete again. There were no other studios to keep them on their creative toes before Bluth got his own studio going. Some of Don Bluth's movies weren't very good, but he started out with some great stuff.

I love the Small One. I have the old VHS from before they edited the words in the "Klink Klink" song. On my original version, they say, "We simply cheat a little if we must." On the newer version it's, "We try a little harder if we must." How lame. I hate when they do that. Leave it like it was! They need to release a DVD set called, "Possibly Offensive Films." On that set they can include the Pecos Bill sequence where he rolls a cigarette with a tornado.
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stlewis>Yeah, leaving Disney did end up helping them. A little compitition can be a good thing for the most part. Soon after, that's when Little Mermaid went into development. Then Disney had their string of huge hits, one bigger then the other, last being Lion King. Everything since then has done well, but not to the greatness of Little Mermaid-Lion King.

Bluth's biggest hits are American Tail and Land Before Time. I'd like to see him work for Speilburg again. Something with those two, they made 2 classics. Anastasia did well at the box office. Titan A.E., not so much. Dragon's Lair is likely to do well. First, you have your old school fans. Then you have all the new fans itching for another Shrek-like movie. Dragon's Lair isn't all that Shrek-like, but what it is is a comedy set in medieval times, much like Shrek. I wonder how many fools who don't know Dragon's Lair will claim it rips off SOMETHING. But the market is all for fantasy now. I have a lot of faith in Dragon's Lair. And as a kid I was never a huge fan of it. It was neat, but not much further then that.
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Yeah - you said it exactly right. The boom in animation came shortly after Bluth's departure. Sometimes I've wondered if the people who left with him assume a little too much credit for "saving animation," but the competition that was involved after the separation was certainly beneficial to the industry. I think someone needs to be working on 2-D projects right now... if they did it well, it could possibly help to bring back 2-D. I'd do it myself if I had tons of money. I still love 2-D. We need a new Don Bluth to re-save animation... if that's what you could call it.
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Well Don Bluth still is using 2-D animation. He does use computers, but they are more for background then anything else. I don't know of his plans after Dragon's Lair.

So far, it looks like the only 2-D animation that will be hitting theaters besides that will be more Nick Toons shows made to movies.

Disney still reserves their 2-d animation to direct to VHS/DVD and tv shows. But I think it is a temporary exile. 2-D animation will be back. It's just in a direct to DVD coma.
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