Stitch! Movie Supplements - and film - Censored by the BBFC!

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:31 pm

When submitted to the BBFC the work had a running time of 2m 32s.

To obtain this category cuts of 0m 1s were required., some or all of these cuts were substitutions. The cuts were Cuts for Category.
Company chose to remove imitable technique (cartoon chraracter playing with electricity) in order to gain a U. A PG uncut was available to the company.

Bad Disney. Bad.

Post by **Luke** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:33 pm

Wow, that's as bad as headbutts.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:33 pm

Playing with Electricity

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:51 pm

that's so stupid!

call BVHE Europe!

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:58 pm

MickeyMouseboy wrote:that's so stupid! call BVHE Europe!

It's not BVHE Europe's decision - unless they want a 12 certificate! Its the BBFC's!

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:00 pm

2099net wrote:
MickeyMouseboy wrote:that's so stupid! call BVHE Europe!
It's not BVHE Europe's decision - unless they want a 12 certificate! Its the BBFC's!

damn BBFC! doesnt matter cause you can always get the R1

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:04 pm

In theory I don't mind this. I'm not sure how many kids would be tempted to 'play with electricity' and I don't actually know how it's presented but I guess it's pretty tame.

They also edited Lilo and Stitch to change it so that Lilo didn't hide in the washing machine. However I have to question if this was worth it, with they just subsituted some footage of Lilo hiding in a cupboard (which looked like a drying machine to me and lots of other people which is just as bad).

But yes, headbutts, earclaps, hiding in fridges or washing machines or car boots (trunks to you Yanks), playing with fire etc all all big no-no's for a U certificate film. Some of them are no-no's for a 15 certificate film

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:11 pm

you yanks! lol! proud to be yank!

oh i rather have the original movie with no edits of cuts.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:16 pm

Well, when we're older, we get more sex and nudity in our movies!

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:24 pm

2099net wrote:Well, when we're older, we get more sex and nudity in our movies!

cool, is it just me of is this post a reply seems 3D? or maybe is just Mozilla

Loomis · Post by **Loomis** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 6:09 pm

MickeyMouseboy wrote:
damn BBFC! doesnt matter cause you can always get the R1

Which is exactly what I will do now!

We tend to get the BBFC edits for many things, unfortunately. Particularly animation.

I might have to invest in the R1 version, but not right away (I'm buying so many things already in September/October!)...

Matty-Mouse · Post by **Matty-Mouse** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 11:50 am

I don't believe they cut "Lilo and Stitch"! Untill I just read your message (and checked my DVD) I would have still told you that Lilo had hid in the washing machine/drier.

So let me get this straight
In the US version Lilo comes out from the washing machine on the left instead of the cupboard on the right? Or is the washing machine and cupboard on the oppisite sides in the US version?

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 12:49 pm

Off the top of my head, I think the washer and cupboard are just switched over in the UK version of Lilo and Stitch.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 3:15 pm

That sounds really retarded. I mean, I didn't think it was a GREAT idea to have Lilo in the washer, but how can they just edit it out?!?

Oh, and 2099net, proud to be a Yank.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 2:48 am

Well they didn't edit it out - they reanimated the scene to switch the furniture.

I don't know. In some respects it's a good decision in theory. Little kids are left alone to watch Lilo and Stitch a few times and they may get the idea into their head that it's a good place to hide. And they could, in theory hide inside a washing machine and be involved in an accident. But I think it's a pretty slim chance, almost insignificant. I've mixed views on this - it does seem a little extreme.

But in no way does it affect the story telling or the impact of the scene in the film. I don't think the item Lilo hides in is in anyway important - what is important is she is hiding. In my opinion anyway - yours may differ.

However, if Lilo had been hiding in a car boot or fridge I would support the subsitution 100% - it's much more easier for a car to drive off unaware that there could be a child in the boot and every year we get stories of children dying after climbing into fridges, discarded or otherwise (once a fridge door is shut it is almost impossible to open from the inside).

I don't know what the edit in the supplements for Stitch! The Movie are. All we know is it showed a child playing with electricity. If this is in an obviously fantasy manner then I think the cut is silly. If, on the otherhand, it shows a child sticking their fingers into a wall socket then again I support this 100%

Of course, ultimately it is the parent's responsibility to discuss such issues with there children. As a parent myself I cannot understand why more parents don't want to watch films with their young children. Sharing a movie with my daughter is a magical experience, and I get more pleasure from watching Dee's reactions than I do from watching the movie itself. Of course, these days most parents are simply too busy to do this

Makes me wonder why they have children in the first place.

PS. I only mentioned the trunk and yank comment incase any of you were confused what a car boot may be.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 4:15 am

Wow. The BBFC has just put up the document for the actual movie and 20 seconds of cuts has been made to the actual move (not all were subsitutions).

When submitted to the BBFC the work had a running time of 57m 52s.

To obtain this category cuts of 0m 20s were required., some or all of these cuts were substitutions. The cuts were Cuts for Category.
Distributor chose to cut sight of imitable technique (cartoon character misusing electric wires) in accordance with BBFC Guidelines and policy, to gain a U. A PG uncut was available to the company.

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/website/Classifie ... enDocument

Matty-Mouse · Post by **Matty-Mouse** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 4:50 am

I think thats its a bit strong to edit a whole 20 seconds from a cartoon movie. At the end of the day the images might be dangerous but it is cartoon violence. We've grown up watching Looney Tunes etc where they get fried over and over again and that never made me want to try and stick my fingers in a plug socket. I think this cut is probably as stupid as the one in Mulan, I mean seeing a head butt isn't going to make kids head butt each other.

I get what you say 2099net about hiding in fridges (and kind of agree) but I do think its the parents responsiblity to tell their kids whats dangerous and not.

I don't see why Disney don't just use the rating thats passed so that the film is uncut. At the end of the day its not going to ruin their image and it would only be a handful of films that would pass with a PG anyways.

BTW thanks for the PM 2099net, I only just found out I had one after I replied to this.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 9:46 am

Hmm... Disney can be really strange. I would advice ALL of you to get the R1 version if you can. Support uncut films! (This is why I don't have Fantasia, Make Mine Music, Melody Time, and other cut Disney films over here)

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 11:20 am

Matty-Mouse wrote:I get what you say 2099net about hiding in fridges (and kind of agree) but I do think its the parents responsiblity to tell their kids whats dangerous and not.

I don't see why Disney don't just use the rating thats passed so that the film is uncut. At the end of the day its not going to ruin their image and it would only be a handful of films that would pass with a PG anyways.

Of course as I stated before it's the parents' responsibility. I use the UK rating system as a guide to prescreen a film before showing it to my daughter. U films (classed as "Universal - Suitable for all") are not prescreened. But I ensure either myself or my wife watch the film with Dee when she sees it for the first time.

Well regarding cuts about playing with electricity. If it is characters sticking their fingers or other objects into sockets then I do support the cuts 100%. Before having a child of my own I would think such matters would be trivial, but there's nothing more interesting to a toddler than a wall socket... they tend to want to investigate them on their own as it is. Seeing it on television in a cartoon could encourage a toddler to do so even more.

I don't know what the issue is. If it's done in a fantasy setting with fantasy equipment then I don't see any problems, and therefore the cuts are unwarrented. But if it is something that could be copied like fingers in sockets, knifes in toasters etc then, frankly, I'm amazed Disney as a company would think this was appropriate in the first place.

After all, they edit out smoking in the US voluntarily. Personally I doubt any kid will be pursuaded to start smoking after seeing Goofy smoke - and even if they were it's unlikely young children could get they hands on any cigerettes (unless their parents themselves smoked, in which case they are more likely to be an influence on their children than any home video). But any young kid could abuse household electrical equipment. As a parent I know you only have to look away for a minute or two for all hell to break loose when you have a toddler.

I'm not saying the edits are right - Disney should just allow the film to go through with a higher rating. PG is hardly the kiss of death for a film, and I suspect most parents who do not parent properly in the first place wouldn't care less if the film was PG or U. But when it comes down to it, a higher rating would loose some sales and Disney also have a reputation to maintain.

Now, can anyone tell me how Hunchback of Notre Dame got a U certificate in the UK with no cuts?

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 12:39 pm

I just saw a bunch of the 90s Disney movies for the first time, and I'm wondering how in the world did Treasure Planet get a PG when Hercules and Hunchback of Notre Dame has more violence? I also wondered about how Lilo and Stitch got a PG, when Lion King has more parental guidence subject matter (uncle killing father, etc.)!!!

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