Pixar and Disney's Big Head

[indianajdp]

IMO, disney is great, disney is legendary, disney is magica, and without disney, there would probable be no TS films, ABL, FN, ect...

There's no doubting the fact that Disney is what it is. But don't dioscount what Pixar has done because they have really pioneered the CGI wave. Think about this...if the Pixar films had failed miserably would DreamWorks be doing as much as they have been in CGI? I seriously doubt it.

And the fact of the matter is Pixar has truly done an amazing job writing and developing their films. Had Disney not picked them up when they did, another studio would have. I don't think anyone's truly comparing one to the other, but the relationship has definitely changed since 1995.

[Maerj]

And no matter what disney might be going through right now.

They made over a billion dollars so far this year at the box office, I think they are doing just fine!

[Captain Hook]

I don't know why but, as enjoyable as some of pixar's works have been they just urk me the wrong way ...

I hope that if they do cut ties with disney, that they end up falling flat on their faces...

And no matter what disney might be going through right now, to compare Pixar to them is shameful, IMO, disney is great, disney is legendary, disney is magica, and without disney, there would probable be no TS films, ABL, FN, ect...

I'm sorry they urk you. They seem good to me, though I would probably be bitter if they left Disney and want them to fall on their faces too.

Poor Disney... I think that they will pull through, but maybe they should dump Eisner when they do.

[2099net]

And no matter what disney might be going through right now.

They made over a billion dollars so far this year at the box office, I think they are doing just fine!

Well, sort of. They haven't made that much money as the studios only keep on average half of the box office takings.

Plus just under half of the Nemo money will have to go to Pixar, so that's about 15% - 30% off the total. Plus some of the money was made through Disney's other none-child oriented studios.

Disney is going through a rough patch - perhaps the roughest patch it's ever gone through. The fact that their number one film is not really a Disney film, but Pixar's shows how Disney has fallen. Would this even be thinkable after the immediate success of The Lion King?

[Captain Hook]

Well, sort of. They haven't made that much money as the studios only keep on average half of the box office takings.

Who does keep it then?

Anyway, I would never have thought this was going to happen right after Lion King. I didn't notice anything was wrong until about 2000, then things seemed to be going downhill. I blame Disney themselves for their loss at The Emperor's New Groove - they should have advertised it better. I didn't see it until on VHS, and was SHOCKED!!! Same with Treasure Planet, though at least it was on DVD. I wish I had seen both in theaters now...

[2099net]

Well, sort of. They haven't made that much money as the studios only keep on average half of the box office takings.

Who does keep it then?

The theaters. Depending on the film and how long it has been playing they keep 20% to 80% of the box office taking.

Anyway, I would never have thought this was going to happen right after Lion King. I didn't notice anything was wrong until about 2000, then things seemed to be going downhill. I blame Disney themselves for their loss at The Emperor's New Groove - they should have advertised it better. I didn't see it until on VHS, and was SHOCKED!!! Same with Treasure Planet, though at least it was on DVD. I wish I had seen both in theaters now...

Much as I think Disney have made a few little mistakes (I'm absolutely livid about how fast the Disney suits dropped their support for Treasure Planet) I don't blame Disney on the whole for anything. In fact I support Disney for making Atlantis and Treasure Planet in the first place. (There Maerj this post isn't all negative )

It's sort of ironic that Pixar, a company which has done so much for Disney is now threatening Disney and has - rightly or wrongly - changed the expectations of the traditional mainstream Disney audience.

Pixar do have the advantage and Pixar will not fail without Disney. Let's face it, half the general public think Shrek and the Iron Giant were Disney films. Plus, all they need to do is put a 'From the makers of XXXX' strapline on the posters and trailers and they'll convince anyone to see their new non-Disney film.

I have no doubt if it wasn't for Pixar, Disney animation would still be taking more than respectable box office (although not to the excess of The Lion King).

While on paper everything looks OK at Disney, you cannot ignore the fact that of their upcoming films, none after Home on the Range are to be traditional animated features, and more and more of Disney's animation studios are being closed down or sold off. Success may come at the loss (or substantial downsizing) of an art form - full length full-animation feature films.

[Captain Hook]

While on paper everything looks OK at Disney, you cannot ignore the fact that of their upcoming films, none after Home on the Range are to be traditional animated features, and more and more of Disney's animation studios are being closed down or sold off. Success may come at the loss (or substantial downsizing) of an art form - full length full-animation feature films.

Do we know exactly what films are being made right now? I guess that's kind of off-topic, perhaps I'll make a new topic...

[2099net]

Do we know exactly what films are being made right now? I guess that's kind of off-topic, perhaps I'll make a new topic...

There's this:

Disney Working on 8 CG Movies!
Source: Laughingplace.com
June 8, 2003

Michael Eisner revealed in a recent presentation that Disney currently has eight computer-generated movies in production (which may be My Peoples, Chicken Little, Fantasia 2006, The Snow Queen, Rapunzel, Fraidy Cat, Vanguard's Valiant and Rocket Pictures' Gnomeo & Juliet).

My Peoples was rumoured to be 2D and 3D combined, but some sources are now stating that this will be all 3D

Valiant is made by Vangard (based in London) but like Pixar movies Disney will distribute.

Gnomeo and Juliet is made by Elton John's Rocket Pictures, but I think Disney are having considerable input to both the development and budget of the film

Fantasia 2006 will include at least 1 all CGI segment and others using both 2D and 3D animation. Some of the segments are already complete so in some respects this can be seen as a product of an earlier executive regime.

The Snow Queen is supposed to be a mixture of live-action and CGI animation, but like Stuart Little could officially be called an animated title due to the bulk of the screen time including animated characters.

Chicken Little and Fraidy Cat are being made entirely by Walt Disney Feature Animation, but will be totally CGI. As far as I'm aware Rapunzel is still just a rumour, based on a throwaway suggestion in a speech made by the new head of Feature Animation.

[Captain Hook]

Chicken Little ought to be good, I'm excited about it. Fraidy Cat sounds interesting and funny. Rapunzel would be a really good movie. Fantasia 2005 should be good also. I loved Fantasia 2000.

I'm not too excited about My Peoples, Snow Queen or the other two movies that Disney are distributing. I have never liked Snow Queen, and My Peoples seems to be boring. I don't really know though.