Disney film ideas that would make an awful film if made today.
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Disney film ideas that would make an awful film if made today.
Over the years there have been literature weโd like to see adapted as a Disney film, whether live action or animated. What Disney film ideas do you have that would have been great to have been made in the past but think it would be awful if made today?
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Any fairy tale to be honest, because they would try to "deconstruct" or modernize it rather than adapt it in a classical manner to the point where it lost its charm. Frozen is a good example, it's not "The Snow Queen", it's what "Wicked" is to "The Wizard of Oz" and what "Maleficent" is to "Sleeping Beauty".
I also think fairy tales don't translate well in CGI.
I always wanted Disney to make Swan Lake in the same vein as Sleeping Beauty (with Tchaikovsky's music). That's never going to happen.
I also think fairy tales don't translate well in CGI.
I always wanted Disney to make Swan Lake in the same vein as Sleeping Beauty (with Tchaikovsky's music). That's never going to happen.
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You nailed it, Farerb! Beautiful post!
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Yeah, I agree about Farerb's post.
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I see the fairy-tale dissonance play out more in their live-action remakes than the animated films, per se. OG Frozen definitely toes the line the most, but it still has an internal coherency that doesn't carry over to something like Maleficent.
Anyways, I don't think I'd say it'd be AWFUL if Disney tried it today, but Bambi is one that I see modern Disney having a hard time making because it's just so low-concept. I think the hook back then was seeing a cast full of animals that not only move gracefully, but also have distinctive designs. I think the animation is gorgeous even today, but I don't think that's enough to float the boat in this age of animated films. I might also include films like Lady & the Tramp and 101 Dalmatians as well. They'd inevitably come out looking more like The Secret Life of Pets than anything from the Disney catalogue as we know it. I think The Jungle Book is exotic enough that they'd find a way to make it work.
Anyways, I don't think I'd say it'd be AWFUL if Disney tried it today, but Bambi is one that I see modern Disney having a hard time making because it's just so low-concept. I think the hook back then was seeing a cast full of animals that not only move gracefully, but also have distinctive designs. I think the animation is gorgeous even today, but I don't think that's enough to float the boat in this age of animated films. I might also include films like Lady & the Tramp and 101 Dalmatians as well. They'd inevitably come out looking more like The Secret Life of Pets than anything from the Disney catalogue as we know it. I think The Jungle Book is exotic enough that they'd find a way to make it work.
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Bambi is much more than pretty animal movement. It has artistic animation and heavenly music and powerful messages about nature, what man does to nature, and the circle of life.
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In practice, yes, in the same way that all films are much more than their logline. But in terms of what made Bambi an interesting feat both for the filmmakers and the audience, I think it all boils down to the way that this film made animal characters so lifelike and engaging. The results speak for themselves, but I don't think that this would be a satisfying draw for modern audiences.
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I think Bambi made today would certainly be less good, but not just because it wasn't hand-drawn. It would be because they couldn't make music as lovely and not sung by the animals, they wouldn't have the balls to do what they did with man, and they probably couldn't pull off how powerful the circle of life message was done by Walt.
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Well said Farerb, Patchofblue & Disney Duster! Also regarding Fairytale adaptations, Disney should NEVER touch stories that the 2000s Barbie movies are build on, especially the ones that are now associated with Barbie (Prince and the Pauper, 12 Dancing Princesses, 3 musketeers, EVEN Swanlake! Stunning costume design)(although the majority relates SL with the 90s animated movie) just saying Disney just cant even compare to these classics although Barbie did a few feminist twist with 3 Musketeers but they were so well translated and not intrusive unlike maybe the new Barbie movie (loved it) or ESPECIALLY new woke Disney.
Disneys adaption of Swan Lake would have the message that Odette identifies as a furry and Derek needing to learn to accept the LGBTQ+ community, or in P&tP they would do shift the complete focus on the social layer, critizising monarchy and ending the movie with the royal family voluntarily stepping down and ending the monarchy, so beautiful and enchanting, right
Also its crazy to think that Mattel was SPECIFICALLY picking up source material for Barbie that Disney either cancelled, hasnt used yet or that were in early development like Rapunzel or Kingdom in the Sun (Prince and the Pauper)
Also by this occasion i wanna add that the Barbie musicals and songs are soooo good, maybe even Disney renaissance level , hmm this would maybe make a good discussion topic
Disneys adaption of Swan Lake would have the message that Odette identifies as a furry and Derek needing to learn to accept the LGBTQ+ community, or in P&tP they would do shift the complete focus on the social layer, critizising monarchy and ending the movie with the royal family voluntarily stepping down and ending the monarchy, so beautiful and enchanting, right
Also its crazy to think that Mattel was SPECIFICALLY picking up source material for Barbie that Disney either cancelled, hasnt used yet or that were in early development like Rapunzel or Kingdom in the Sun (Prince and the Pauper)
Also by this occasion i wanna add that the Barbie musicals and songs are soooo good, maybe even Disney renaissance level , hmm this would maybe make a good discussion topic
My favourite Disney songs:
๐. ๐๐ช๐ป๐ฝ ๐ธ๐ฏ ๐๐ธ๐พ๐ป ๐ฆ๐ธ๐ป๐ต๐ญ (๐ต๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ต๐ฎ ๐๐ฎ๐ป๐ถ๐ช๐ฒ๐ญ)
๐. ๐ฆ๐ช๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ท๐ฐ ๐ฒ๐ท ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ฆ๐ฒ๐ท๐ฐ๐ผ (๐ฃ๐ช๐ท๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ผ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ผ)
๐. Wherever I go (Hannah Montana)
๐. ๐๐ป๐ธ๐พ๐ญ ๐ธ๐ฏ ๐๐ธ๐พ๐ป ๐๐ธ๐ (๐๐ต๐ช๐ญ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ท)
๐. ๐ฏ๐ฝ๐ ๐๐๐พ๐๐ท (๐๐ถ๐๐๐ถ๐ฝ ๐๐๐๐๐ถ๐๐ถ ๐๐๐๐พ๐)
& more: 1000 years ( Legend of the Neverbeast),
I'll try (Return to Neverland) , So close (Enchanted), ๐ด๐๐ยด๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ฝ๐พ๐ ๐๐๐๐ (๐๐พ๐๐๐๐ ๐ซ๐๐พ๐๐ธ๐๐๐: ๐ธ๐๐ธ๐ฝ๐ถ๐๐๐๐น ๐ฏ๐ถ๐๐๐), I thought I lost you (BOLT), Into the Unknown (Frozen 2)
๐. ๐๐ช๐ป๐ฝ ๐ธ๐ฏ ๐๐ธ๐พ๐ป ๐ฆ๐ธ๐ป๐ต๐ญ (๐ต๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ต๐ฎ ๐๐ฎ๐ป๐ถ๐ช๐ฒ๐ญ)
๐. ๐ฆ๐ช๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ท๐ฐ ๐ฒ๐ท ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ฆ๐ฒ๐ท๐ฐ๐ผ (๐ฃ๐ช๐ท๐ฐ๐ต๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ฝ๐ฑ๐ฎ ๐ผ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ผ)
๐. Wherever I go (Hannah Montana)
๐. ๐๐ป๐ธ๐พ๐ญ ๐ธ๐ฏ ๐๐ธ๐พ๐ป ๐๐ธ๐ (๐๐ต๐ช๐ญ๐ญ๐ฒ๐ท)
๐. ๐ฏ๐ฝ๐ ๐๐๐พ๐๐ท (๐๐ถ๐๐๐ถ๐ฝ ๐๐๐๐๐ถ๐๐ถ ๐๐๐๐พ๐)
& more: 1000 years ( Legend of the Neverbeast),
I'll try (Return to Neverland) , So close (Enchanted), ๐ด๐๐ยด๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ฝ๐พ๐ ๐๐๐๐ (๐๐พ๐๐๐๐ ๐ซ๐๐พ๐๐ธ๐๐๐: ๐ธ๐๐ธ๐ฝ๐ถ๐๐๐๐น ๐ฏ๐ถ๐๐๐), I thought I lost you (BOLT), Into the Unknown (Frozen 2)
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Re: Disney film ideas that would make an awful film if made today.
I haven't seen Barbie's 12 Dancing Princesses or Swan Lake, but just because someone did something really well doesn't mean others can't do it, like Disney.
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Re: Disney film ideas that would make an awful film if made today.
The way some animated films that are based on fairy tales or stories begin is with a book, especially the early ones - Snow White, Pinocchio, Cinderella, etc...
These movies are the illustrations from the books coming to life, I just don't get the same feeling from CGI.
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I agree with you. I feel like a lot of 10's disney movies don't have that magical fairy tale like feeling anymore. I'm not saying that they should stick the same formula for every movie, but I feel like when they deviate from the norm, like trying to subvert tropes, I feel like they don't do it well, a great example being twist villains. If the new formula was executed well, I wouldn't be complaining, but I think they should stick the old formula because clearly they have no idea on how to write stories with subverted tropes a great example being Frozen. Frozen is supposedly based on the Snow Queen, but I didn't even realized it was based on a fairy tale until recently. Like obviously Snow White and Sleeping Beauty changed a lot of the original stories because it would be too graphic for kids, but you can still see elements of the original stories like evil stepmother, evil witch, prince rescuing princess, etc. Also the songs in those movies feel magical and ethereal and fits the theme of a fairy tale.Farerb wrote: โSun Aug 27, 2023 8:35 pm Any fairy tale to be honest, because they would try to "deconstruct" or modernize it rather than adapt it in a classical manner to the point where it lost its charm. Frozen is a good example, it's not "The Snow Queen", it's what "Wicked" is to "The Wizard of Oz" and what "Maleficent" is to "Sleeping Beauty".
I also think fairy tales don't translate well in CGI.
I always wanted Disney to make Swan Lake in the same vein as Sleeping Beauty (with Tchaikovsky's music). That's never going to happen.
Also another problem, is modernization, like I understand girl empowerment or whatever, but the way Disney does it is so shallow like with Frozen. The 90s disney movies does modernization very well, with keeping the magical fairy tale feeling while also empowering the girls. Heck even the old classic Disney movie like Cinderella and Snow White is empowering because despite the constant abuse both girls faced, they kept their head high and kept looking forward to the future, not letting their abusers bring them down to their level.